Brigitte Bardot #2

[Les_Sucettes]

She was a stunner. I absolutely love all the pics posted.

But i can't help feeling bad looking at her pics, her politics are unacceptable. It makes me feel a bit guilty appreciating her beauty so much.

 

[CielDeLit]

You shouldn't feel bad because she's not racist. I had doubts at the beginning when I didn't know her well (and Lisaa1 can testify ) and I just believed hearsay, so I decided to investigate a little bit (Emanuel Bonini's book about her pretty much sums up everything) and I discovered how incredibly generous and loving she is, not at all the mean b*tch some people portray her to be.
Then people reply "yeah but she was condemned for incitation of racial hatred". Because of what ? Because she said that "muslims try to impose their customs" since she's angry that they have a dispensation when it comes to animal slaughter. Indeed according to the law animals have to be stunned before being killed (she's been fighting for this as early as 1962 when french slaughterhouses didn't yet stun animals), but there is a derogation for halal and casher meat. Funnily enough, a french writer, Michel Houellebecq, has been far more offensive against Islam (saying that it is a religion of jerks and idiots) but he's never been fined. And when Brigitte blames the French (foie gras), the Spanish (corrida), the Coreans (for eating dog) , the Chinese, the Canadians (seal hunting),etc.., no one says she's xenophobic. What matters to her is animal welfare no matter which nationality its offenders are.
In the end I'm sure Brigitte is not racist, she criticized Islam, which is a religion not a race, and I don't see why people should be condemned because they disagree with a religion. If she was racist and anti-Arab she wouldn't have written to Israeli officials during the Lebanon war in 2006 to conjure them to stop bombing Lebanese people. She wouldn't have written to George W. Bush to beg him not to go to Iraq in 2003, when a majority of Americans approved of this war on basis of fighting terrorism, no matter how shocked she had been by September 11. Her statements and personality clearly prove that she loathes politically correct so if she did all that she really meant it. And there are other examples like these. But people don't know that because she doesn't like to boast about how charitable she is, she helps a lot of humans too but she doesn't want to make it public.
Brigitte isn't perfect, some of her views are probably reactionary but she's a 76 year old woman, she grew up in a wholly different context, in a very strict and conservative bourgeois family, not only am I not surprised by her opinions but it is also her right.


My point is that whether we agree with her or not, she at least deserves respect. Because she's been fighting for this cause for almost 40 years, most people who vilify her don't do a quarter as much of what she does to help people or animals. I think acts are worth better than words and in that departement, Brigitte is faultless. Sometimes I agree with her sometimes I don't, but above all I really admire her courage and generosity.


Sorry if it's a bit long but I really wanted to clarify this one and for all


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AnnieHall : yeah I can't wait to read Vadim's book, I'm curious to see both points of view !

 

[Les_Sucettes]

Cieldelit- I see where you are coming and i agree with some of the things you say. I personally do not like it when restaurants to not mention the meat is Halal for example. But she was indeed charged, the judge clearly agreed what she said was indeed extremely offensive and her intention was not innocent.
When you write that France is being invaded by foreigners and marry a former adviser of the National Front, excuses sound a big hollow.

 

[CielDeLit]

I don't think what she wrote was that offensive, and even if it was freedom of speech should prevail, as long as it is not racist, which it clearly wasn't. Conversely what Houellebecq said (whom I quoted) truly was offensive and yet he was not charged -not that I think he should've, my point is that courts can be contradictory at times, their decisions are debatable.
As regards her partner, he is indeed close to the National Front but that doesn't mean Brigitte is, she said she is a conservative but that she never belonged to this party. In a couple people don't necessarily share the same political views, Mrs Carla Sarkozy know a great deal about that .

I don't want to get too political and go off-topic, nor to whitewash Brigitte, but really she hasn't done any harm to deserve all this backlash, I think the positive things she's done/said largely outweigh her gaffes. That said, you don't have to agree with her or appreciate her personnality, you can still like her style/looks/career, thank you for the karma by the way I'm glad you understood my point.

to conclude on a positive note, here is a happy Brigitte holding the Koran B

 

[Fantomette]

I don't agree with you CielDeLit but its nice to see a post on this subject that is argumented.

I'm not a hater who think BB shut herself from people to only care about animals in distress. As far as I'm concerned I love her honnesty and how she has always speak her mind but that means there is no point in trying to diminish some of the horrible things she said. In the past years the vindictive words she wrote outshined her generous work to many people.
I think what we blame her for is turning into an intolerant and sometimes insensitive woman while she's a great figure of the animal cause and used to be a symbol of tolerance and freedom.

 

[CielDeLit]

Thank you too for elaborating your point and not being too obtuse. I can totally understand that some people were shocked by some of her statements, I kind of was at first until I got to know her better, especially by the way she puts it. She should really learn not to speak or write on impulse, because that's what she does everytime, she actually never re-reads herself. I don't say she didn't mean it but when you write something out of anger it often turns out to be nastier than what you actually think.
But whatever, these are her ideas, words, and where I disagree is that for me her work shouldn't be overshadowed by this, saving so many lives and preventing animals from being tortured is amazing, brave and respect-worthy. I can understand that some people are shocked or don't like her but not when they turn her into some kind of monster. I went beyond this and read a lot about her, wrote to her, she answered as she always does, and she truly has a huge heart, she's really kind and anything but insensitive.

 

[Underage]

CielDeLit, thank you so, so much for that information about BB. I have always thought she was one of the most beautiful actresses ever, adored her style, and loved her work for animals. I'm Middle Eastern actually, and I was never quick to call Brigitte this vile woman for the things I've read about her. Obviously I wouldn't say all the things she's said myself, but the woman is from another time. I'm sure a lot of our grandparents would disapprove of things like interracial marriage. The fact she cares about the people of Lebanon and was also against the war with Iraq speaks volumes. Like I said, I never thought she was the awful old lady some people think she is, but I did feel a little weird for being so drawn to her. Now I am a loud and proud BB fan.

Btw, I am a bit jealous you've written to her and she wrote back!

 

[CielDeLit]

Underage you're so very welcome , I'm really glad if I'm able to dissipate the preconceived ideas people might have about her. I don't deny that she's written harsh things but like I said she writes out of anger (perhaps I'm not that shocked because my grand ma is even fiercer ), she's 76 so she grew up in a different context and can be reactionary but also she doesn't go out of her house, everything she knows of today's society she sees it on TV, and obviously on TV news they rather talk about negative things than positive ones, terrorist attacks, riots, etc..I definitely don't agree with everything she says but she's not a vile monster some people portray her to be.

But no matter how critical she has been she can't stay insensitive to human and animal pain, that's why I say she's anything but heartless. She cares about all living beings who suffer, humans and animals, all ethnicities. A lot of supposedly open-minded people didn't make a single move to prevent war, they told her that what she did was useless and that she wasn't going to prevent the war to happen anyway..well if everyone thought like that where would will be..I have other similar examples but I don't want to write a massive post again..She was also actively (and financially) engaged against death penalty, firstly with the Rosenberg couple, then recently in 2006, an African American prisoner (Farley C.Matchett) who was waiting in the death row for more than a decade, asked her to help him. A lot of celebrities were contacted but she's one of the only ones to have accepted. She gave him $15,000 to help him pay his trials, lawyers, and wrote (again) to George W. Bush and US governors to save him. Sadly it did not work and he was executed.

Btw, I am a bit jealous you've written to her and she wrote back!

Brigitte makes a point of always answering letters, so if you write to her there's no reason why she wouldn't answer too, unless she's got really too many letters (she still receives a lot, like dozens -and sometimes hundreds- everyday), health troubles, or something serious. I was so excited and deeply touched when I got her message

 

[CielDeLit]

Love this video...I'd love to see these photos.
Does anyone have these pictures? Thanks!

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[PonyShow]

i love candid photos of her! so gorgeous

 

[Ice_lady]

Ebay.com.

 

[Ice_lady]

the Baltimore Sun.

 

[Ice_lady]

Gamma.fr.

 

[Harumi]

OK, let's listen to Brigitte in her own words. I put the French quote in Italics then my English translation in bold.

• ON HOMOSEXUALS: "[Ils] dégénèrent en lopettes de bas étage en travelos de tout poils". [They] are degenerating into low-rent ******* and random ********".

She also blamed transsexuals for being the cause of the massive debt of the French healthcare system (which is a trully hilarious claim).

• ON MUSLIMS: "Il y en a marre d'être menés par le bout du nez par toute cette population qui nous détruit, détruit notre pays en imposant ses actes." I have enough of being led by my nose by this population that destroy us, destroy our country by imposing their acts.

• "nos aïeux, les anciens, nos grands-pères, nos pères ont donné leur vie depuis des siècles pour chasser de France tous les envahisseurs successifs". Our ancestors, our grand-dads, our dads have given their lives for centuries to rid France of all the successive invaders.

This follows the old Front National party line that Muslim are nasty invaders taking over France and they should be booted out. If you think she doesn't agree with the views of her husband, I think you are quite naive.

• ON WOMEN: I don't have the direct quote but she has written that she disapprove of women in power and that French female ministers should rather stay home and take care of their men instead.

• ON ASILUM SEEKERS AND REFUGEES: "Ils prennet d'assaut nos églises pour les transformer en porcheries humaines". The invade our churches to transform them in human pig stalls.

For context, immigrants who are destitute and are seeking to have their situation made legal so they can work and apply for accommodation often move in churches for shelter and to gain attention to their cause. This is almost always done with the collaboration of the resident priest.

• ON PEOPLE WITH MIXED-RACE HERITAGE: 'une tare'. A genetic defect.

With that said, in my personal opinion, as a human being Brigitte is a revolting bigot, full of prejudices and hatred, misogynist (which is super ironic considering she was a feminist icon), homophobic (also ironic since she had many gay friends, but ah, they were discreet, didn't go to gay prides and didn't have sex-change operations so that's OK), xenophobic and yep, definitely racist. Oh, and let's not forget a complete moron.
I could not care less that she's an old bourgeois. Plenty of people rise above their upbringing to move with their times and be decent people. I know plenty of older people and they are a great class of people regardless of how things were 'in their time'. Comparing her to Carla Bruni is laughable. To be with someone of a different political spectrum is not the same thing than to be with an open racist who advise someone who said that the holocaust was a minor historical event (amoung other disgusting things).

Brigitte was a stunningly gorgeous woman with an amazing fashion sense and charisma to burn. I love, love looking at pictures of her and I think her fight for animal rights is admirable. But people who make excusing for her inacceptable views on her fellow human being are as pathetic as she is. All, in my opinion, of course.

 

[xPedro]

Brigitte was a stunningly gorgeous woman with an amazing fashion sense and charisma to burn. I love, love looking at pictures of her and I think her fight for animal rights is admirable. But people who make excusing for her inacceptable views on her fellow human being are as pathetic as she is. All, in my opinion, of course.

Totally agree!

 

[wiwi]

Exactly !! I can't express it better

 

[karen sofie]

My scans from french Elle oct 2010

 

[marjanthelion]

whats with her targeting transexuals?? random hatred .. its sad and pathetic of her
how could someone so beautiful be so spiteful and ignorant? ugh

 

[crystaljukebox]

Just because you are beautiful does not mean you are nice and intelligent person, even though people usually think so (its called the halo effect).

 

[CielDeLit]

Harumi : you're not teaching me anything, I know everything she said way better than you, I wrote abundantly to explain my point, trying to show that there were things she's said and done that prove she's not evil, I could explain again that not only some sentences were taken out of their contexts, etc but whatever, I've wasted enough time.
Sorry if I sound angry but I've been here before dozens of times, I should probably have ignored Les Sucettes's remark because it again brought back the debate but it was stronger than me. I mean that kind of remarks is pointless, they don't bring anything new because dozens of persons made them before in the thread. For those of us who follow the thread it gets annoying.
You all believe whatever you want but if you hate her that much why do you bother coming repeatedly? Really if what she says shocks you that much and is contrary with your beliefs well at least be true to them, and don't be pathetic by coming to this thread and making it bigger .

But people who make excusing for her inacceptable views on her fellow human being are as pathetic as she is. All, in my opinion, of course.