Frederic01
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Louise is a fa better and stronger designer…
Is she though? I see Phoebe-Philo-Lite in everything both of them do...
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Louise is a fa better and stronger designer…
Is she though? I see Phoebe-Philo-Lite in everything both of them do...
CHECK THE TAG
Louise is a fa better and stronger designer…
I need to laugh at this…im sorry
Cate Holstein (Khaite) is one of the very few designers that know how to rip-off Phoebe, I would root for her any day over this CK person and that new BV designer.
I think that the Philo-to-Hedi shift at Celine did a lot of damage to minimalist fashion in womenswear, because it led to a lot of brands fighting to fill that hole, discarding their own identities in the process. The issue, however, is that fashion always exist in a sociocultural context. Philo's Celine existed in a certain context at the tail end of the hyperfeminine look of the 00s, lots of the current minimalist guard exists in the context of their look already being the standard of "tasteful fashion".^Even though I've made conscious efforts to like Fforme over time in vain , it's true: their collection this season does look more like Calvin Klein than this. However, it's a very generic brand doing things many now defunct independent smaller brands already did last decade and they were much better at it. It's sad that so many independent designers that were actually doing decent things in the past have been weeded out to give space to new and extremely mediocre and bland, generic brands that have made it to the top (brands like Róhe Frames, Fforme, etc).
This is a disaster and I honestly think that there are only a handful of people out there who can really create playful minimalism right (Phoebe being one of them, of course). Louise Trotter definitely ain't it either. The only brands doing it right nowadays are A.W.A.K.E. Mode, Oude Waag, (sometimes) Khaite and I find Ashlyn New York to be doing really interesting things recently (not such a big fan of their SS26 collection, though). Moreover, believe it or not, Pieter Mulier is also sometimes extremely good at it (when he's not designing condoms).
Designing playful minimalism requires a very specific talent to tastefully and gracefully play with clean lines, shapes, proportions, whilst never losing track of the female/human form, a sense of balance, and sex allure. It's sort of like being good at designing beautiful and graceful, interesting architecture, except that it's for the body, and it should never lose track of its core and function.
The thing about Khaite is that Philo isn't her only influence. Philo's female-gaze practicality is there, but there's also the romanticism of classical Saint Laurent, the gritty feel of Slimane's work and the straightforward sensuality of Donna Karan.Even if Khaite's overall marketing image does remind one of Phoebe's Céline, I wouldn't call her a downright 'rip-off'. I've followed closely the brand for many years and I think Cate is doing her own thing most of the time. Admittedly, she is inspired by Philo (she has in fact stated it in interviews), but it's more about the concept of designing a playful and feminine kind of minimalism rather than copying directly ideas and elements from her. Philo is simply the figurehead of a specific kind of design style, but that doesn't mean that everyone who participates in it is directly copying. I think you can always find a universe of new ideas in that direction which Phoebe never thought of.
where else is he gonna boyfriend shop?Why even invite him to observe these?