Celine Menswear S/S 2025 Norfolk

[Creative]

Like, seriously, why so much issue with age? If his beauty ideal is young guys, what’s wrong? They can get married, work, create a company, have kids… but can’t appear in Hedi’s presentations? Gimme a rest.

When a designer like older people I see no issue either… like Dries or Demna sometimes.

I don’t know why people put so much focus on age.

 

[HigthaVandah]

I've already written several dissertations in this thread about why I think the video is fine.

But the broader conversation (not this forum particularly) about model size and age often forgets that there are more options than the two extremes. Models can be less scrawny than Hedi models without being overweight at all. Models can be more muscular than Hedi models without being competitive power lifters. Models can be older than 19 without being middle aged.

 

[HigthaVandah]

This recent photo of Hedi I came across on another forum seems relevant. Looks to be from the filming of Symphony Fantastique, so early this year. He looks great.

 

[Creative]

I've already written several dissertations in this thread about why I think the video is fine.

But the broader conversation (not this forum particularly) about model size and age often forgets that there are more options than the two extremes. Models can be less scrawny than Hedi models without being overweight at all. Models can be more muscular than Hedi models without being competitive power lifters. Models can be older than 19 without being middle aged.

But why not going for the “extreme”? Usually the in between is the normal, so not very fashion-worthy.

And, actually, many of his models are 25ish and look 18. So age it’s not the matter. The problem is the look. And I think it’s a problem for some fashion followers because they feel he is proposing a look or an ideal of beauty that they can’t achieve. People love to be represented and I despise that. People’s insecurities should not be issued in a fashion presentation but somewhere else.

 

[tricotineacetat]

It‘s easy in our today's time to get lost in the 'image' aspect over the actual product and the fact that Celine chooses this specific presentation format doesn’t do much to deny the fact that in truth, Hedi Slimane has always been a very product-oriented designer whose proposal at the very core is largely time and ageless.

There‘s suiting and outerwear, denim and footwear (mostly boots) in mostly classical colors that customers of and age can wear. It‘s for the most part an urban uniform for the kind of people that might be before disciples of Helmut Lang and in many ways, Hedi’s clothes are the logical continuation of Helmut Lang, obviously with his very own flavor but in essence a belief in that particular wardrobe and way of dressing.

I can only underline a 1000th time that the presentation, the styling and more fashion forward pieces make you believe this is a very young and fashion-victim-y way of dressing but what’s great about Hedi had always been that there’s something for everyone there, from a very edgy proposal to more classical clothes. What they all have inherent is that the cutting and construction is superb, I have barely seen a designer whose pattern grading was as accurate as with Hedi - I had men in size 52 or 54 wearing his suits and they looked great, the cut just felt more modern than Helmut’s when Dior Homme landed on the scene!

 

[HigthaVandah]

But why not going for the “extreme”? Usually the in between is the normal, so not very fashion-worthy.

Extreme is fine too. I'm not arguing against Hedi's aesthetic. If anything I dislike how extreme and tokenizing the anti-skinny push has been in some women's brands. Normies are plenty fashion worthy imo though, fit/slim normies are generally the ones organically developing the clothing subcultures designers reference.

People’s insecurities should not be issued in a fashion presentation but somewhere else.

The Slimane oeuvre as a whole feels to me heavily inspired by the artist's insecurities. Albeit mostly more abstract ones than waist size. Plenty of art touches on the tension between strength and vulnerability. Imo that's a big part of what makes Hedi's looks elicit such strong emotions. And the "Do *I* have what it takes to pull that off? What would I need to do to get there?" thoughts are a scaled down, tangible version of that tension.

 

[Creative]

Extreme is fine too. I'm not arguing against Hedi's aesthetic. If anything I dislike how extreme and tokenizing the anti-skinny push has been in some women's brands. Normies are plenty fashion worthy imo though, fit/slim normies are generally the ones organically developing the clothing subcultures designers reference.


The Slimane oeuvre as a whole feels to me heavily inspired by the artist's insecurities. Albeit mostly more abstract ones than waist size. Plenty of art touches on the tension between strength and vulnerability. Imo that's a big part of what makes Hedi's looks elicit such strong emotions. And the "Do *I* have what it takes to pull that off? What would I need to do to get there?" thoughts are a scaled down, tangible version of that tension.

But it’s normal that when you create you reflect your world. Another thing is not being able to appreciate something or just be a hater simply because you don’t look like that something…