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Softie..you should read this book:softgrey said:
Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste by Pierre Bourdieu
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0674212770/103-2979970-1922206
Allll haaaiiilll sooofftgreeey.
Whoa. Creepy.
You know, I have to admit that Star style is one of my favourite forums, because I just love celebrities, I am interested in their lives, what they do, what they wear...yeah. I suck.
Whoa. Creepy.
You know, I have to admit that Star style is one of my favourite forums, because I just love celebrities, I am interested in their lives, what they do, what they wear...yeah. I suck.
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clueless said:
no darling...you are actually part of the majority in this case...
part of the cult.....wooooooooooo......
but more seriously...and back on topic...
i can totally see why people would be interested in seeing how the other half lives...it's when it goes over the top with morbid fascination that it gets to be a little much...when people start basing their value systems on the elite few...and stop thinking for themselves...
i think curiosity is natural and human and healthy...
as long as you are still thinking for yourself...
Ugg-related issues 
I actually think she's a lot of fun, and pretty too. Her hair and makeup usually look good, but I'm not keen on her style. Her mums her stylist. I loved watching Newlyweds, but that thing was really annoying...either say it or don't say it!
Now I'm embarresed....I know too much about 'Nick & Jessica' and the fact that I refer to them on a first name basis is sad, is it not?
I actually think she's a lot of fun, and pretty too. Her hair and makeup usually look good, but I'm not keen on her style. Her mums her stylist. I loved watching Newlyweds, but that thing was really annoying...either say it or don't say it!
Now I'm embarresed....I know too much about 'Nick & Jessica' and the fact that I refer to them on a first name basis is sad, is it not?
Meg said:
I know someone who's been diagnosed with it, and being misunderstood is definitely a HUGE part of depression being manifest. But knowing someone or not is not the main point. I would like to reverse the scenario. Let's say you suffer from depression. What triggers that chemical imbalance mostly? It's the state of agitation. And what can agitate you more then misunderstanding, multiplied to immense proportions by the masses and the media? I know I'd go insane...
Back on topic: Is style inborn or can it be taught?
I think it's both. It's like an athlete having a certain skill which he developes by training. And it can be translated into every aspect of life.
Let me come back to Zen and The Art of Motocycle Maintenance. This is to answer the intellectuals despising fashion, and so on. I always come back to this book, because to me this book is an incredible life lesson. He tackles the problem of dichotomy of the "high art" people and technology (or we can substitute "style and fashion" for the point of this discussion), two entities that have turned into the enemies. People of high art despise the inhuman, ugly technology, yet they depend on it, and so they loathe it even more. People of technology despise the art people just as well. He learns to be the man of both, and this is how he reconciles the two. The main theme of this book is something he calls Quality. He leaves this term undefined, because it is necessery to leave it that way. It is something you inherently FEEL, something that makes your soul move. What it is, is some kind of EXCELLENCE one feels in all aspects of life. He takes as an example the motorcycle maintenance, which is one of his favorite things. Why does he call it art? Because to him, it has that feeling of EXCELLENCE, of satisfaction, of achievement, etc., and it is THE SAME emotion as when the painter paints, when the actor performs, and so on. The quote that struck me and stuck with me was, "Buddha is everywhere. To deny it, is to demean Buddha."
And for my part, I can tell you, I feel it. I feel it when I look at a jacket, and I see the silouhette, and I see how the beauty of it flowing when I walk, and I see the mind of the designer who wanted to make it that way, and I see the craftmanship in that seam. And I see it in an athlete who jumps for that ball, trying to push the laws of physics just a little bit farther, and I see it in a home mechanic who spends meditative hours fixing his car, and in a doctor who makes someone feel better, and so on and so on.
Unfortunately, fashion is not presented that way. For the most part, fashion is presented as a material fetish. Sports are presented as a pass time of the beer guzzling rednecks. Technology is presented as dehumanizing. What one has to do is see through this veil. To see Quality in everything. It may not be easy, but it's the idea.
I think it's both. It's like an athlete having a certain skill which he developes by training. And it can be translated into every aspect of life.
Let me come back to Zen and The Art of Motocycle Maintenance. This is to answer the intellectuals despising fashion, and so on. I always come back to this book, because to me this book is an incredible life lesson. He tackles the problem of dichotomy of the "high art" people and technology (or we can substitute "style and fashion" for the point of this discussion), two entities that have turned into the enemies. People of high art despise the inhuman, ugly technology, yet they depend on it, and so they loathe it even more. People of technology despise the art people just as well. He learns to be the man of both, and this is how he reconciles the two. The main theme of this book is something he calls Quality. He leaves this term undefined, because it is necessery to leave it that way. It is something you inherently FEEL, something that makes your soul move. What it is, is some kind of EXCELLENCE one feels in all aspects of life. He takes as an example the motorcycle maintenance, which is one of his favorite things. Why does he call it art? Because to him, it has that feeling of EXCELLENCE, of satisfaction, of achievement, etc., and it is THE SAME emotion as when the painter paints, when the actor performs, and so on. The quote that struck me and stuck with me was, "Buddha is everywhere. To deny it, is to demean Buddha."
And for my part, I can tell you, I feel it. I feel it when I look at a jacket, and I see the silouhette, and I see how the beauty of it flowing when I walk, and I see the mind of the designer who wanted to make it that way, and I see the craftmanship in that seam. And I see it in an athlete who jumps for that ball, trying to push the laws of physics just a little bit farther, and I see it in a home mechanic who spends meditative hours fixing his car, and in a doctor who makes someone feel better, and so on and so on.
Unfortunately, fashion is not presented that way. For the most part, fashion is presented as a material fetish. Sports are presented as a pass time of the beer guzzling rednecks. Technology is presented as dehumanizing. What one has to do is see through this veil. To see Quality in everything. It may not be easy, but it's the idea.
