Designers Switching Houses & Moving to New Brands | Page 46 | the Fashion Spot

Designers Switching Houses & Moving to New Brands

I trust a seasoned LVMH executive who's responsible for two of fashion's greatest turnarounds over you.

And I reiterate again: Gobbetti was CEO. He's solely responsible for hiring the creative director. That's literally his job. No one else is due credit for that. If Carine was CEO, then yes, she would deserve credit, but she did not make executive, strategic decisions on behalf of Givenchy.

The incredulity on display here is bewildering.

But those CEOs don't necessarily interested in young designers that didn't establish anything yet. They always go for star designers first.

Without influence from people in the industry like Carine or Wintour, young designers will never get a chance to enter these couture houses. Remember that JPG was offered the role of Givenchy but he turned it down. So Anna advised the suits her favorite at that time which is McQueen. The same thing with LV, it's Anna that tells Arnault to choose Marc for the role.

I don't know about the current situation, but back in the day, a recommendation from editors like Carine or Anna holds a lot of weight.
 
Yes I wanted to say Givenchy not Burberry yes. Mariacarla was dating her son at that time. And Carine advised them to hire him and featured Givenchy in a heavy way.

Yes Phoebe wasn’t unknown but without Delphine, I’m noture Gobbetti wouldn’t have hired somebody from the Gucci Group.

Where you there when they discussed it?

Listen, the Arnault's didn't hire Gobetti and pay him a f*ck ton of money to tell him who he should hire for the turnaround HE was hired to orchestrate. That would be doing his job for him. I'm sure Carine's support was influential. I also know that Anna had a couple of ideas of her own, too. And they probably interviewed a few others but the decision and furthermore... the responsibility and consequences of that decision rested solely on Gobbetti.

Is it so impossible that someone with an impeccable track record of making good hiring decisions for creative talent would then go hire Maximillian Davis?

Is it so strange that he would see something you don't?

Is it so crazy and unbelievable that a young, black designer might actually be talented and deserve the job?




And yes, of course Carine was featuring Givenchy heavily, that's what happens when you buy a ton of advertisements and you hire a stylist to secretly consult in the studio.
 
I don't know about the current situation, but back in the day, a recommendation from editors like Carine or Anna holds a lot of weight.

Agreed but they're not responsible for that decision. And I can assure you, Anna and Carine had very different ideas on who Givenchy should have hired.
 
Where you there when they discussed it?

Listen, the Arnault's didn't hire Gobetti and pay him a f*ck ton of money to tell him who he should hire for the turnaround HE was hired to orchestrate. That would be doing his job for him. I'm sure Carine's support was influential. I also know that Anna had a couple of ideas of her own, too. And they probably interviewed a few others but the decision and furthermore... the responsibility and consequences of that decision rested solely on Gobbetti.

Is it so impossible that someone with an impeccable track record of making good hiring decisions for creative talent would then go hire Maximillian Davis?

Is it so strange that he would see something you don't?

Is it so crazy and unbelievable that a young, black designer might actually be talented and deserve the job?




And yes, of course Carine was featuring Givenchy heavily, that's what happens when you buy a ton of advertisements and you hire a stylist to secretly consult in the studio.
Me personally I’m all for Maximilian. I don’t think any of my post expressed a different opinion.
I would be the last one to complain about the rise of a talented black designer. At LVMH, Bernard Arnault is the kind of omnipresent person…

I know a little bit how things work at LVMH but tbh Riccardo’s or Phoebe’s hiring are totally separated from what Gobbetti does now.

I just hope that he has the right strategy to support whatever Maximilian does. Because I don’t think the strategy he has for Burberry was clear…
 
this whole discussion is extremely fascinating.. I had no ideas how much of these decisions is organized by a few powerful people. Fashion is such a weird industry
 
But those CEOs don't necessarily interested in young designers that didn't establish anything yet. They always go for star designers first.

Without influence from people in the industry like Carine or Wintour, young designers will never get a chance to enter these couture houses. Remember that JPG was offered the role of Givenchy but he turned it down. So Anna advised the suits her favorite at that time which is McQueen. The same thing with LV, it's Anna that tells Arnault to choose Marc for the role.

I don't know about the current situation, but back in the day, a recommendation from editors like Carine or Anna holds a lot of weight.

That was 30 years ago, now they're counting the followers
 
this whole discussion is extremely fascinating.. I had no ideas how much of these decisions is organized by a few powerful people. Fashion is such a weird industry
The corporization of fashion is a very recent phenomenon. There’s a huge amount of money involved but hiring in the highest positions is almost made in a very informal way.
Mr Arnault acquired LVMH in a very shady way so he is very hands-on on the decisions and has involved his children. All the executives at LVMH are longtime friends of him. He is the one designers meets after meeting Delphine. The strategy is defined with him and the CEO but the designer is like the icing on the cake and it’s make it or leave it. Sydney Toledano stayed how many years as the president of Dior…You saw how many designers they had during his tenure. The strategy at KERING is different because they build things on the Tom-Dom dynamic.

As @THD96 mentionned It, 15-20-30 years ago, you had people like Jean Jacques Picart or editors who were influential in the decision of hiring designers because they were the ones around talents. And those groups were in construction. That’s why Pinault asked Tom Ford to build a portfolio of brands to create the Gucci Group. He came from retail. Arnault bought Dior in 1984 but he came from real-estate. The majority of those houses were very small back in the days so they didn’t have head hunters going to schools approaching talents.

When I mentionned Carine supporting Riccardo in her pages, and @Mutterlein added more details on things she did, it’s because the support of the EIC of the hottest magazine in the industry right now was crucial, at the time because Givenchy was a struggling brand. Yes she was rewarded but she supported it because she liked him first and his work. We saw it with Balenciaga or Balmain. Those brands weren’t advertisers but the support editors have to some designers pleased the group who spend more money again.

I mean Lacroix was at Pucci, it was part of LVMH…It wasn’t that hyped by the press. So it’s more than a transaction.

Today the power that people like Anna or Carine had is still there but on the lower scale. Delphine Arnault has proven that she had an eye for talents so she is the one making decisions. At KERING they still might go for head hunters tho.
 
The corporization of fashion is a very recent phenomenon. There’s a huge amount of money involved but hiring in the highest positions is almost made in a very informal way.
Mr Arnault acquired LVMH in a very shady way so he is very hands-on on the decisions and has involved his children. All the executives at LVMH are longtime friends of him. He is the one designers meets after meeting Delphine. The strategy is defined with him and the CEO but the designer is like the icing on the cake and it’s make it or leave it. Sydney Toledano stayed how many years as the president of Dior…You saw how many designers they had during his tenure. The strategy at KERING is different because they build things on the Tom-Dom dynamic.

As @THD96 mentionned It, 15-20-30 years ago, you had people like Jean Jacques Picart or editors who were influential in the decision of hiring designers because they were the ones around talents. And those groups were in construction. That’s why Pinault asked Tom Ford to build a portfolio of brands to create the Gucci Group. He came from retail. Arnault bought Dior in 1984 but he came from real-estate. The majority of those houses were very small back in the days so they didn’t have head hunters going to schools approaching talents.

When I mentionned Carine supporting Riccardo in her pages, and @Mutterlein added more details on things she did, it’s because the support of the EIC of the hottest magazine in the industry right now was crucial, at the time because Givenchy was a struggling brand. Yes she was rewarded but she supported it because she liked him first and his work. We saw it with Balenciaga or Balmain. Those brands weren’t advertisers but the support editors have to some designers pleased the group who spend more money again.

I mean Lacroix was at Pucci, it was part of LVMH…It wasn’t that hyped by the press. So it’s more than a transaction.

Today the power that people like Anna or Carine had is still there but on the lower scale. Delphine Arnault has proven that she had an eye for talents so she is the one making decisions. At KERING they still might go for head hunters tho.
thank you for this! Extremely fascinating
 
Today the power that people like Anna or Carine had is still there but on the lower scale. Delphine Arnault has proven that she had an eye for talents so she is the one making decisions. At KERING they still might go for head hunters tho.


I think it depends on a lot of factors. It depends on the CEO, the board, the chairman of the board, the parent company managing executives, who the owners are, who the owners hired as a consultant to tell them who to hire, whether or not they have someone responsible for talent acquisition in-house (many do), or if they have that service outsourced on retainer (many do, too).

If you're a board, private investment firm, owner, or CEO and you have to hire a new creative or artistic director, you're going to use every resource available to you to make the best decision and leverage the best talent you can get. One that fits your strategy and your business challenges.

Stylists and fashion editors in general have a long history of playing matchmaker. Not just because they select the clothes that get shot, but because they've worked with a bunch of houses and designers and they know who's working where. Oh, Schiaparelli is looking for a knitwear designer? Turns out Marie Chaix knows a guy who's looking to leave Carolina Herrera. (I made that up to illustrate the idea, that is not real, don't worry Wes).

Anna Wintour is the ultimate matchmaker, not just because if she throws her support behind a designer there's a good likely hood that they will succeed (but not guaranteed), but because she knows everyone. And she knows her reader, who is also probably the customer they're trying to reach. And if she doesn't know, one of her editors will.

If you're hiring, you're going to want to let Anna know if she doesn't already let you know. It doesn't mean that everyone is going to listen to her. Many don't, but if Anna Wintour or Carine make a recommendation, you're going to check it out. Her power in that regard is definitely waning.

Most likely everyone uses ALL of the above means to create a shortlist of potential candidates.

Most brands will have the designers do a test project or a pitch to get the job. This is standard practice, even when you get to the big leagues. For every hire, there are probably 2-5 other designers who also submitted a project or pitch but were rejected. Maybe someone Anna recommended was good but their vision didn't work with the brand's product strategy. Maybe someone Panos Yipanis suggested was great but didn't have enough managerial experience, or didn't have any marketing savvy. Who knows. It's all case by case with a ton of different variables that we are blissfully ignorant of.

Also, many times designers are approached for a job but turn them down. I can tell you that Christophe Lemaire was asked to do Celine after Philo left and he immediately refused.

I can also tell you that Virginie Viard was not Chanel's first pick to replace Karl and that they had at least one designer waiting in the wings ready to go.

And I can also tell you that Paul Andrew, who left Ferragamo, was an Anna Wintour mistake---one that I would not have made.
 
Given how this discussion is unfolding, I'm curious to know who else was considered for Givenchy after CWK. I did hear that Julien Dossena was also in the running.
 
^I believe the Meiers from Jil Sander were also considered to take over Givenchy after CWK.
 
Oh, here's the tea regarding CWK....

She didn't leave Chloe to do Givenchy, she left Chloe to do Ralph Lauren.

She was going to take over RL's women's and men's collections and Ralph was going to step down. So get this... she's about to leave Chloe and suddenly Ralph changes his mind. He doesn't want to retire! LVMH got wind and snapped her up for Givenchy.

She would have done an amazing job at Ralph.
 
A bit presumptuous, no? Did you review his book? Did you grade the review he did to get the job?

His resume is outstanding and Hermes, Margiela and Tisci have a strong track record of employing excellent and talented designers.

@helmutnotdead

OK, I was wrong. I take this comment back. You were absolutely right.
 
Ken Downing, formerly the fashion director of Neiman Marcus, is now the creative director of Halston.
 
It's unbelievable that the investors still try to make Halston happen yet there hasn't been any successful appointment for at least the last 14 years. And appointing Downing as the new creative director gives me a strong throwback to Justin O'Shea at Brioni.
 
It's unbelievable that the investors still try to make Halston happen yet there hasn't been any successful appointment for at least the last 14 years. And appointing Downing as the new creative director gives me a strong throwback to Justin O'Shea at Brioni.

It should probably have also been mentioned that Ken Downing is the new creative director for Halston... to be sold by on air by Downing via the Home Shopping Network.

I wouldn't say they're trying to make it happen. I think they're just trying to squeeze it for every dollar and dime they can.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

New Posts

Forum Statistics

Threads
215,395
Messages
15,301,091
Members
89,390
Latest member
fashionicon6
Back
Top