Designers Switching Houses & Moving to New Brands
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Isn't that a bit contradictory? Continued growth is required, but then the brand wouldn't have found it necessary to hire a flashy new designer if the "minimally branded product that goes with everything...and nobody walks around in head to toe" was performing all that well. It's also a bit shortsighted in thinking...I don't think any brand strives to be known like that...
The point I was making is that if it wasn't broke before, they shouldn't have tried to fix anything. Instead, they sought to change course and make the brand more desirable to a new audience, hence the person hired, but didn't seem to really actually want to get behind it. Because now, if people hadn't fully boarded the Bally train with a new direction (it typically takes a few seasons to see a full turnaround and increase in sales, no?) I don't see anyone clamoring for what was on offer before. Just seems like a huge waste of money and resources.
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We can dream, but I think Harris will leave on his own terms.
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i dont work for bally. Im just talking about the nature of business. Off hand they were prob trying to prop Bally up for an IPO and to spin it off. The private owners have been trying to sell Bally for a few years.
making it hot and trendy - even for a little while - is enough to get a good valuation and get the company pur of their hair. The owners also own Panera and Krispy Kreme and want to focus on their food as their primary business activity.
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Well, similar talent, similar attitude, similar length. When you realize too late that the talent does not necessarily always come with the attitude. I am always terribly sorry when it happens to humble and hard working people, I have the feeling this is not a case.
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Did Lindsay Lohan last longer at Ungaro? 
Frankly, it was kind of expected, it was one of those decisions that came up not from the brain but like, below the waist, there had to be some quick awakening/ cooling off period and now it's all so embarrassing. I'm not sure a Part II from Ann would be ideal though, yes, her furniture looks like s*it (something like watered down Celine store furniture and that's bad enough) but I feel like she has a future with lamps, and going back to fashion when she's already exploring another creative outlet seems a bit pointless, there isn't even a public for that at the moment, everyone wants fashion for a 'moment', not for individualism, identity or anything too complex.
Frankly, it was kind of expected, it was one of those decisions that came up not from the brain but like, below the waist, there had to be some quick awakening/ cooling off period and now it's all so embarrassing. I'm not sure a Part II from Ann would be ideal though, yes, her furniture looks like s*it (something like watered down Celine store furniture and that's bad enough) but I feel like she has a future with lamps, and going back to fashion when she's already exploring another creative outlet seems a bit pointless, there isn't even a public for that at the moment, everyone wants fashion for a 'moment', not for individualism, identity or anything too complex.
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That was fast.... fashion (literally!).
At this rate brands will announce the appointment of a new designer, and the dismissal, on the same press release.
At this rate brands will announce the appointment of a new designer, and the dismissal, on the same press release.
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We do have JPG Haute Couture and Colin Dilane's stint at Louis Vuitton back in January...
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But those are collabs...
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I know, but it's that same concept of hyper-temporary-ness (for lack of a more sophisticated word).
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"Disposable" seems more accurate to me.
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The only thing I know as well as fashion and jewelry is furniture. i would say my fashion knowledge is 3, furniture 2 and jewlery 1. I didnt even know Ann D had a furniture line and - again - I literally have gone to high point to help buy for my friends contemporary furniture galleries.
Furniture is hard to break into because there are so many ways to make a dining table. You dont have the freedom like in fashion - the table top needs to be smooth or smooth adjacent. The height of the table is set and the dimensions are mostly set as well. Unless you find wierdos who want a 3 seater triangle table (seen it) then you have a really rigid charge. Its truly difficult to innovate something so fundamentally practical as a table.
her line not being able to come in multiple finishes strangely is what saves it. Most of it looks like its designed for hotels or something- def thinking of the mass buying hospitality customer.
Furniture is hard to break into because there are so many ways to make a dining table. You dont have the freedom like in fashion - the table top needs to be smooth or smooth adjacent. The height of the table is set and the dimensions are mostly set as well. Unless you find wierdos who want a 3 seater triangle table (seen it) then you have a really rigid charge. Its truly difficult to innovate something so fundamentally practical as a table.
her line not being able to come in multiple finishes strangely is what saves it. Most of it looks like its designed for hotels or something- def thinking of the mass buying hospitality customer.
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Allow me to introduce myself..
.. my apartment is still sitting empty somewhere (haven't been there in a month) because.. can't find the right furniture (but also haven't had time to look/make up my mind). I think it's more or less like clothes actually, you could say clothes are just as simple in that you'll always need 5 holes or less (head plus extremities lol) and something smooth enough to allow movement/sitting. Same with a table, there's a universe of choices, it's not even shape.. but.. density, thickness, color + materials alone is a nightmare, harmony with your own space + lighting is another equation. It's all fascinating and maybe a no brainer until you're searching for something you want to look at every single day. And then something you want to sign on is a whole other beast imo. With all the history of furniture designers and your own legacy in fashion, why switch worlds and join one where your contribution is so.. Ikea. 
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Whatever happened with LdSS at Ann, it's embarassing for both parties. Imagine having a three-month stint as a CD on your resume 
The most respectful end for the Ann D. brand would have been if it just closed shop once she left. She had a great run and a great vision but there's no need for it to go on forever. Now it seems like it will eventually lead to a painful and slow end to what was once a great name.
Same for so many other brands at the moment. I think the common mistake is that having an established brand name combined with 'hot young' talent unlocks a realistic potential for it become a new sensation. This completely fails 9 out of 10 times and in the end will cost the investors a lot of money. Fashion is not really a fun gambling business.It seems some of the risks taken are just blind bets...And the ever increasing power of the big groups only makes the landscape even tougher.
The most respectful end for the Ann D. brand would have been if it just closed shop once she left. She had a great run and a great vision but there's no need for it to go on forever. Now it seems like it will eventually lead to a painful and slow end to what was once a great name.
Same for so many other brands at the moment. I think the common mistake is that having an established brand name combined with 'hot young' talent unlocks a realistic potential for it become a new sensation. This completely fails 9 out of 10 times and in the end will cost the investors a lot of money. Fashion is not really a fun gambling business.It seems some of the risks taken are just blind bets...And the ever increasing power of the big groups only makes the landscape even tougher.
I think it’s just overestimating the power of Instagram. I’m not sure how much the Ludovic guy sells but my guess is that the clientele is fairly limited. Why would someone who is attracted to Ann Demeulemeester’s dark romance be seduced by Ludovic’s campy p*rn and vice versa, no matter the number of IG followers?
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The funny thing in that Antonioli was originally offered both Ann Demeulemeester and Haider Ackermann (part of the same group), but they closed Haider Ackermann and fired Meunier (menswear CD for 10 years, womenswear CD for 6 years).
Look at where their plans led them now.
What they failed to realise is that LDSS' whole business is glorified men's lingerie brand for boys who are hot and shameless enough to post themselves wearing it online.
While this is definitely a managerial error, LDSS will definitely be the one taking all of the social backlash from his departure. The same goes for Rhuigi at Bally.
I feel that Davis will have a full term with Ferragamo (3 to 4 years), but his situation is a bit different since Davis and Ferragamo is a bit more traditional in their pairing.
Look at where their plans led them now.
I think that they were planning on bringing LDSS' clientèle to Ann D.
What they failed to realise is that LDSS' whole business is glorified men's lingerie brand for boys who are hot and shameless enough to post themselves wearing it online.
While this is definitely a managerial error, LDSS will definitely be the one taking all of the social backlash from his departure. The same goes for Rhuigi at Bally.
I feel that Davis will have a full term with Ferragamo (3 to 4 years), but his situation is a bit different since Davis and Ferragamo is a bit more traditional in their pairing.
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Antonioli was offered Haider but did not want it and only bought Ann.
Anne Chappelle then had to close Haider. Haider only recently got the rights to his name back from her.
Regarding Sebastian, he was a mess. Go back and look at his collections. They're not good (much worse than what LdSS showed). His coke addiction got the better of him and I know at least one journalist who he harassed by sending pictures of his genitals to (FYI his dick is nicer than the clothes he designed).
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Yikes! My tacky side kinda wants to see the pics though...
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It's not a very nice dick but that's how bad his clothes were.
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