Discussion: The State of Kering

Full-year results arrive on the 11th!
It’s going to be fun.
They changed the CEO ironically when last year a shareholder asked them if the then-CEO was just hired to be dismissed if the results weren’t there.

They said that the customers responded well to the new designs of Sabato despite the fact that his work didn’t represent a lot of the products available (there was already a red sign).

They said that they were aiming for en elevation and they went more and more with logos and banality.

I hope the questions will be merciless. Because they saw Pinault parade in Hollywood and with Demna while Gucci is having a bad time.
 
He's gone:
BREAKING: Sabato De Sarno Exits Gucci
The designer had joined the brand in 2023, succeeding Alessandro Michele.

By Luisa Zargani
February 6, 2025, 2:28am

MILAN
– Gucci revealed in a brief statement Thursday morning that it was ending its collaboration with creative director Sabato De Sarno. The fall fashion show in Milan on February 25 will be presented by the Gucci design office.

The new artistic direction will be announced in due time.

“I would like to express my deep gratitude to Sabato for his passion and dedication to Gucci. I sincerely appreciate how he honored Gucci’s craftsmanship and heritage with such commitment,” said Stefano Cantino, Gucci’s chief executive officer.

Francesca Bellettini, Kering deputy CEO in charge of brand development, said: “I sincerely thank Sabato for his loyalty and professionalism. I am proud of the work that has been done to further strengthen Gucci’s fundamentals. Stefano and the new artistic direction will continue to build on this and to guide Gucci towards renewed fashion leadership and sustainable growth.”

De Sarno’s exit comes amid a flurry of creative shifts roiling Europe’s heritage houses, revealed only a few days after Kim Jones announced his resignation at Dior Homme.

Fendi has yet to announce the successor to Jones, who last October stepped down after four years as its artistic director of haute couture, ready-to-wear and fur collections for women.

Thursday’s announcement comes on the eve of Kering revealing its fourth-quarter and full-year results on Feb. 11.

De Sarno’s first show took place during Milan Fashion Week in September 2023. The designer, who was hired by then-president and CEO Marco Bizzarri, was raised in Naples, and began his career at Prada in 2005, moving to Dolce & Gabbana, before joining Valentino in 2009. At the Rome-based brand, he held positions of increasing responsibility, finally being appointed fashion director overseeing both men’s and women’s collections.

De Sarno was expected to unveil Gucci’s cruise 2026 collection with a show in Florence on May 15, paying tribute to the city where the brand was founded in 1921.

De Sarno’s first cruise collection was held in London last May at Tate Modern with guests including Dua Lipa, Demi Moore, Paul Mescal, and Kate and Lila Moss.

Gucci is in the midst of a turnaround under Cantino, who rose to the role in January, succeeding Jean-François Palus.

As the luxury industry has been facing a slowdown in spending, Kering’s marquee brand has been struggling with declining revenues for a few seasons and De Sarno’s collections have been met with mixed reviews. In the third quarter, organic sales at Gucci declined 25 percent, versus analysts’ predictions for a 21 percent drop. In reported terms, revenues fell 26 percent to 1.64 billion euros.

Gucci has been pursuing an elevation strategy, and, as reported, management is pinning its hopes on the introduction of new handbag lines, alongside a collection of ready-to-wear essentials building on De Sarno’s best-performing designs so far, a shorter time to market and a streamlined distribution and offer.
WWD
 
They just sold a bunch of real-estate business, including THE MALL. My second favourite outlet...
 
Gucci is down bad theyre smaller than they were in 2008. Yes that's atrocious. I'm glad they have good margins as - you say - that's what's keeping the lights on.

Its the exact same situation as Maserati and Maserati has been fighting irrelevance for 20 years. Lets hope this Hedi comeback isn't like Maserati's comeback which flopped terribly. Maserati's comeback was an ultra expensive hard to use sportscar that nobody bought because McLaren and Ferrari were competitors and who wouldn't pick a McLaren over a Maserati?

IMO that way doing business is over. They invest in Maserati because it was white hot in 1960 - 1980 and say that eventually they will get back there and they have good margins so it's not throwing money in the ocean.

You just said the same thing about Gucci.
 
They just sold a bunch of real-estate business, including THE MALL. My second favourite outlet...
That’s a move I have a hard time to understand.
Even more considering the amount. It’s less than 500.000.000 euros…
 
They just sold a bunch of real-estate business, including THE MALL. My second favourite outlet...
Wowwww, that’s crazy! So Leccio is no longer part of Kering? Their businesses had the best locations and as far as i know it was very profitable.
 
Kering investors brace for more bad news after Gucci creative chief’s exit
French luxury group to report full-year results this week following latest blow to turnaround plans at its biggest brand

Adrienne Klasa in Paris
MONDAY 10TH FEBRUARY 2025


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Sabato De Sarno’s departure was announced on Thursday just two years after he was brought in to lead a creative revamp © AFP via Getty Images

Kering investors are bracing for more pain when the French luxury group reports results this week after the abrupt exit of Gucci’s creative director capped a testing period for the French luxury group. Sabato De Sarno’s departure was announced on Thursday just two years after he was brought in to lead a creative revamp at Kering’s biggest brand by sales and profits following years of flagging performance.

The move follows a tough 2024 in which Kering issued several profit warnings — a rarity in luxury — as sales and profits slid. Thomas Chauvet, analyst at Citigroup, said the change in creative leadership would “further delay a potential turnaround”, with 2025 set “to be another year of transition and a bit of a leap into the unknown”.

Barclays expects Gucci’s full-year organic growth to have fallen 21 per cent when the group reports full-year results on Tuesday. Group operating income is expected to have plunged 47 per cent to €2.5bn, according to Visible Alpha consensus estimates, while Kering shares have slid 38 per cent in the past year.

After outperforming peers between 2016 and 2020 as shoppers clamoured for previous star designer Alessandro Michele’s fashion-forward maximalist styles, Gucci’s sales have slumped as that aesthetic fell out of favour. Since Michele departed at the end of 2022 the brand has failed to regain its footing, weighing down its parent as it grapples with an industry-wide downturn in luxury sales.

De Sarno, a relative unknown when he was hired at Gucci, was tasked with creating more commercial products but his collections underwhelmed at a time when shoppers were already being more selective in their spending.

“From the beginning Sabato was set an almost impossible challenge. There was almost a cult around Alessandro that had become synonymous with what Gucci meant,” said one person close to the brand. “They read commercial as wearable . . . and looking at the product I thought I’d wear that, I just wouldn’t pay for it — it’s €3,500 for a basic jacket. If you saw it for €100 at Zara you’d buy it. But there was nothing that warranted the price tag”. Kering and Gucci declined to comment.

With Gucci’s transformation now on hold until a new creative director is named, Kering is also facing pressure on its balance sheet following several expensive acquisitions including perfumer Creed for €3.5bn and a €1.3bn building on Milan’s Monte Napoleone shopping street.

Net debt more than doubled from €3.9bn as of June 2023 to €9.92bn a year later. The group last month sold majority stakes in some of its prime real estate assets in Paris to private equity fund Ardian and has also recently sold two luxury outlet malls in Italy.

Behind the scenes, leadership at Kering started holding conversations with other designers as early as July, according to two people close to internal discussions. Investors and industry insiders were not surprised at De Sarno’s exit after six collections at the €10bn brand failed to translate into improved sales, but they were resigned to a long wait for Gucci’s revival.

“I was surprised at the relatively short period . . . but there has been no pick-up of the product among our clients,” said the head of one major high-end retailer. “This is going to knock them back at least a year and a half. What they need is to really clearly define the brand DNA, which has been lost.”

FINANCIAL TIMES
 
Kering investors brace for more bad news after Gucci creative chief’s exit
French luxury group to report full-year results this week following latest blow to turnaround plans at its biggest brand

Adrienne Klasa in Paris
MONDAY 10TH FEBRUARY 2025


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Sabato De Sarno’s departure was announced on Thursday just two years after he was brought in to lead a creative revamp © AFP via Getty Images

Kering investors are bracing for more pain when the French luxury group reports results this week after the abrupt exit of Gucci’s creative director capped a testing period for the French luxury group. Sabato De Sarno’s departure was announced on Thursday just two years after he was brought in to lead a creative revamp at Kering’s biggest brand by sales and profits following years of flagging performance.

The move follows a tough 2024 in which Kering issued several profit warnings — a rarity in luxury — as sales and profits slid. Thomas Chauvet, analyst at Citigroup, said the change in creative leadership would “further delay a potential turnaround”, with 2025 set “to be another year of transition and a bit of a leap into the unknown”.

Barclays expects Gucci’s full-year organic growth to have fallen 21 per cent when the group reports full-year results on Tuesday. Group operating income is expected to have plunged 47 per cent to €2.5bn, according to Visible Alpha consensus estimates, while Kering shares have slid 38 per cent in the past year.

After outperforming peers between 2016 and 2020 as shoppers clamoured for previous star designer Alessandro Michele’s fashion-forward maximalist styles, Gucci’s sales have slumped as that aesthetic fell out of favour. Since Michele departed at the end of 2022 the brand has failed to regain its footing, weighing down its parent as it grapples with an industry-wide downturn in luxury sales.

De Sarno, a relative unknown when he was hired at Gucci, was tasked with creating more commercial products but his collections underwhelmed at a time when shoppers were already being more selective in their spending.

“From the beginning Sabato was set an almost impossible challenge. There was almost a cult around Alessandro that had become synonymous with what Gucci meant,” said one person close to the brand. “They read commercial as wearable . . . and looking at the product I thought I’d wear that, I just wouldn’t pay for it — it’s €3,500 for a basic jacket. If you saw it for €100 at Zara you’d buy it. But there was nothing that warranted the price tag”. Kering and Gucci declined to comment.

With Gucci’s transformation now on hold until a new creative director is named, Kering is also facing pressure on its balance sheet following several expensive acquisitions including perfumer Creed for €3.5bn and a €1.3bn building on Milan’s Monte Napoleone shopping street.

Net debt more than doubled from €3.9bn as of June 2023 to €9.92bn a year later. The group last month sold majority stakes in some of its prime real estate assets in Paris to private equity fund Ardian and has also recently sold two luxury outlet malls in Italy.

Behind the scenes, leadership at Kering started holding conversations with other designers as early as July, according to two people close to internal discussions. Investors and industry insiders were not surprised at De Sarno’s exit after six collections at the €10bn brand failed to translate into improved sales, but they were resigned to a long wait for Gucci’s revival.

“I was surprised at the relatively short period . . . but there has been no pick-up of the product among our clients,” said the head of one major high-end retailer. “This is going to knock them back at least a year and a half. What they need is to really clearly define the brand DNA, which has been lost.”

FINANCIAL TIMES
Oh my….. this is going to be interesting. If they truly think that hiring a new designer will magically fix everything…..
 
This is crazy! In between Kering interviewing candidates since last July and things like this happening, it's obvious that Kering really is in turmoil. At this point they should be bending over backwards to hire someone like Pierpaolo or Hedi. They cannot wait until September 2026 for Maria Grazia to debut for example. The stakes are too high at this point to wait that long and to continue to lose billions.

Francesca Bellettini, Kering’s deputy CEO in charge of brand development, was diplomatic but vague in her comments, thanking De Sarno for his “loyalty and professionalism.” No hints were offered about the circumstances of his departure or the timeline for appointing a successor.

Adding to the intrigue, insiders reported that Gucci had internally circulated a memo announcing a new designer who would work under De Sarno—only for his dismissal to be made public within 24 hours. Speculation abounds that De Sarno may have known his fate, but was unwilling to carry on the pretense of business as usual during Milan Fashion Week.
FASHION UNITED
 
Gucci -24%
Bottega +10%
YSL and Balenciaga still down but better than previous report
Exactly what I was expecting:
- Total rejection of Sabato's vision and Gucci as a brand
- General public is going nuts over the artsy crafty pseudo pretentious vision of Blazy's Bottega
- Vaccarello's YSL is getting stale because of the constant push of basics with no strong vision
- Apparently people are getting tired of Demna's iterations of the 3XL and the Lamborghini print hoodies

What I am expecting:
- Gucci following the Bottega's route? Or going Michele lite just like FW23 the design studio collection?
- Trotter's Bottega to be a carbon copy of Blazy, they cannot afford to lower sales on the only brand that is doing fine
- YSL getting stronger vision / shows a la Balenciaga (it is now managed by the Balenciaga CEO)
- Balenciaga trying to elevate the offerings with more premium bags a la Rodeo or Bel Air
 
50 stores will be closed… (source BOF)

See when you are too greedy. Should I have stick with AM as they stick with Demna. 🥴
 
So Gucci's annual revenue fell from €9,87bn to €7,65bn (-23%). Nice to see that my €7-8bn estimate was correct.
Kering should have made YSL their top brand, not Gucci. Yves was a master on par with Chanel and Dior...
Gucci being the top brand makes more sense, because they're essentially the LV of Kering (leather goods and pop culture). That said, YSL and BV should twice as big as they are now. If YSL was in the €5-7bn range and BV in the €3-4bn range, they would have to stress over Gucci like they're doing so now.
 
does anyone have access to the whole text ? I’m curious to know more
You're welcome.
Can Kering Bounce Back From Its ‘Annus Horribilis’?
The French group said it would close 50 stores to adapt to a slower market after fourth-quarter sales at flagship Gucci plunged 24 percent.

By Robert Williams
11 February 2025

BoF PROFESSIONAL
PARIS —
Gucci’s sales plunged 24 percent in the fourth-quarter, underscoring the steep decline that prompted the brand to seek a new creative direction. After ousting designer Sabato De Sarno last week, owner Kering is under pressure to name a replacement.

Kering’s overall sales fell 12 percent in the quarter, with the decline at Gucci partly offset by an acceleration at stablemate Bottega Veneta. The high-end brand known for its logo-free, intrecciato bags grew 12 percent.

Sales continued to decline at Saint Laurent (down 8 percent) and the “Other Brands” division which houses Balenciaga and McQueen (down 4 percent), though these drops were less dramatic than during the previous quarter.

Operating profit fell 46 percent to €2.6 billion, slightly above analyst expectations.

Kering has been hit hard by a global slowdown in luxury demand, which came at the same time as its effort to reposition Gucci’s strategy and aesthetic with a more upscale, timeless focus.

Consumer sentiment in China, previously the growth engine of luxury demand, remains depressed, while a more resilient US market remains short on less-wealthy, “aspirational” clients. The group plans to close 50 stores in 2025 to adapt to the slower market, co-deputy CEO Jean-Marc Duplaix said.

The value of the group’s shares has fallen by 40 percent over the past year. “This was an ‘annus horribilis’ for Kering, that much is reflected in the share price,” Bernstein analyst Luca Solca wrote in a note to clients.

In a presentation to investors, the group insisted its turnaround efforts were on track, despite the continued decline in sales.

“The transition phase is over. We’ve hit an inflection point where now we’re ready to get started again. But of course this is subject to the economic environment — so we’re forecasting a year of stabilisation,” chairman and CEO François-Henri Pinault said. “We remain prudent about 2025.”

Performance in the first weeks of 2025 remains broadly in line with the fourth-quarter, Kering said.

Gucci’s ‘Fashion Authority’
At Gucci, “the goal was to give a very solid foundation; to [limit] a little bit the ups and downs,” co-deputy CEO Francesca Bellettini said. Working with De Sarno, Gucci “focused on the heritage of the brand and trying to elevate our products, to make them consistent with the heritage, but at the same time relevant today.”

The brand has worked to cut its exposure to outlets and wholesalers, notably online, while investing in a more responsive supply chain. It brought on Stefano Cantino, a veteran operator from Prada and Louis Vuitton, as its new CEO last year.

“The base we have today is much stronger than what we had 18 months or two years ago, and now it’s a perfect moment to inject a new creativity,” Bellettini added.

A new Gucci designer will be announced “promptly, sooner rather than later,” with plans to adopt a “50-50 split between tradition and fashion authority,” she said.

“We’re not entering a new transition phase,” Pinault insisted. “The arrival of a new designer won’t slow down the recovery of the brand.”

Reigniting excitement and demand for Gucci is primordial for the group: the brand, Italy’s biggest fashion house, accounts for half of Kering’s sales and two-thirds of profit.

Bottega Veneta’s Shakeup
Bottega Veneta was the group’s main bright spot, with sales accelerating in the fourth quarter.

The brand has kept up with the luxury market’s shift to wealthier clients, who are less exposed to macro-economic shocks. In the last year, it has opened an invitation-only store in a Venetian palazzo, as well as other new flagships with a concept Bellettini described as “stunning, sophisticated and at the same time inviting.” The brand has also launched a line of candles and fragrances “which create brand relevance at a lower price point without compromising on its ultra high-end positioning,” she said.

The trouble is, its star creative director Matthieu Blazy has decamped to Chanel. That means the brand will have to navigate its third creative transition in a decade. New designer Louise Trotter, formerly the creative director of Carven and Lacoste, “is a very natural fit for the brand, a perfect choice to perpetuate Bottega’s values and aesthetic,” Bellettini said. “She has the right credentials to create fidelity in ready-to-wear, similarly to what the brand has already achieved in leather goods.”

Saint Laurent, Balenciaga
In November, former Balenciaga CEO Cedric Charbit took the reins at Saint Laurent in order to allow Bellettini, the brand’s former chief, to focus on her group-level role as deputy CEO. He’s been succeeded at Balenciaga by Gianfranco Gianangeli, formerly CEO of OTB’s Maison Margiela.

Under new management, Saint Laurent and Balenciaga will focus on boosting the store productivity through savvy retail practices and updated merchandising, rather than embarking on any major strategic or creative overhauls. “Evolution can be extremely powerful,” Bellettini said. “Don’t expect big shifts or big turnarounds, but a strong evolution on a very strong base.”

Market Reaction
Kering’s sales were hotly watched as investors look for signs that the luxury market is turning a corner. In January, Richemont reported a return to double-digit growth, while LVMH’s fashion sales fell at a slower rate than the previous quarter, leading to cautious optimism.

But investors are wary of continued macro-economic headwinds, as well as specific obstacles to Kering’s turnaround. Gucci’s new designer will need to revive fashion excitement in a rocky market, at a brand where the work of upscaling its product offer, supply chain and distribution still isn’t complete (The brand is headed for another round of cuts to its outlet and wholesale exposure this year).

The company’s share price fell 1 percent on the Paris bourse despite the group beating expectations for profit. “This confirms our view that better trends in the sector are limited to a few names only,” UBS analyst Zuzanna Pusz said.

Other observers were more optimistic. “The relative performance gap [between Gucci and competitors] has not yet closed, however with new CEO Stefano Cantino apparently willing to make bold changes, including changing creative director, we believe the worst may be behind us,” RBC Capital Markets analyst Piral Dadhania said.
BoF
 
The extreme level of risk aversion in the conglomerate fashion world just doesn't leave room for anyone or anything to have a clear identity. Everyone is so wishy-washy for fear of doing the wrong thing that they end up doing nothing notable at all. If a brand doesn't know what they want, no designer will be a good match. If a designer doesn't have a vision they want to develop, brands can't judge whether or not they're a good fit.

It's like going on a first date and just going "I dunno, what do you want to talk about?" back and forth all evening. And then sending "I dunno, what do you want to talk about?" down the runway. And then we talk about Hedi because he's the only one who knows what he wants to talk about.
 

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