FS YSL- Gucci Nominees

[Spacemiu]

katie, im gald she id nto expet, it hink it would ahve lwoerd her.

anne V. woudl eb amazing for ysl.
I think lawrence steal would be a wise chouice for gucci as well.

 

[ignitioned32]

Originally posted by Spacemiu+Nov 15th, 2003 - 4:38 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spacemiu @ Nov 15th, 2003 - 4:38 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by ignitioned32@Nov 14th, 2003 - 8:22 pm

Originally posted by Spacemiu@Nov 14th, 2003 - 3:24 pm

Originally posted by ignitioned32@Nov 14th, 2003 - 5:08 am
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@Nov 13th, 2003 - 6:59 pm
i completly agree with space here
first on the markJ LV rumours
then on actresses building up a oh so fake image. 
those poor girls are doing all this free publicity for totaly free its true they are sooo pathetic , i mean please, they dont even keep the damn dresses, so ultra victimised.. 

then .. of course ... we have naive girls, typically do the 'good consumer' worshiping labels worn ONLY by those pathetic talentless starlets, saving money in order to make huge industrialist even richer.
resist the plastic star system 

... and that's how Dior (Chanel, Prada, Valentino et all) sells.

i would rather have people have individual style and not suport big companys.

I know.

but youa re defendinga llt he stars wearing dior?



anyw ays i think we are a bit of point now. [/b][/quote]
Was I defending? I was just saying who wears Dior and why it earns!

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by homme couture@Nov 16th, 2003 - 5:30 pm
as for yves saint laurent rive gauche, the names officially being heard are: miguel adrover, martin grant, roland mouret, pascal humbert, zac posen, narciso rodriguez, chado ralph rucci, and rick owens.

..... yet i can honestly see pascal humbert, who has such a precocious sensibility for the haute couture at ysl couture. it would be to ysl's benefit to hire him and especially reopen the couture house.

kethan

amazing input homme c. i so agree both on Pascal Humbert and on Martin Grant (who's actually my fave for ysl)

new from fashionet :

Versace Rumors Persist

Italian newspapers just won't let up on the speculation that Tom Ford and Domenico De Sole are going to snatch the house of Versace right out of Donatella's well-manicured hands. Italy's Il Sole reported Wednesday that Tom and Dom have invested $287.5 million to buy a controlling interest in Versace SpA . A Versace spokesman vehemently denied the rumor -- yet again.

 

[ignitioned32]

I read that, too, and I think there is a big possibility they are going to do Versace. Domenico de Sole denied, during Tom's S/S '04 collection for YSL Rive Gauche, that they are not leaving Gucci. So maybe, but then again tabloids are not so credible.

Thanks, Lena!

 

[mikeijames]

although no one can replace tom just as no one could replace yves, in tears, i nominate julien macdonald (and maybe narciso...he is really hot right now) for gucci and mcqueen or gaultier for yves because there are only a handful that have an eye for high fashion and the skill to bring back couture which i think would be a wise step for ysl right now...and plus, everyone else is locked into contracts.

 

[ultramarine]

Are there any news about this?
Or should I go ahead and print my "Ford is dead. Long live McQueen" tee?

 

[Fujyn]

I thnink Victor & Roft ara the next designers of Gucci. They are great.

 

[tiffany]

Originally posted by Spacemiu@Nov 16th, 2003 - 5:03 pm
katie, im gald she id nto expet, it hink it would ahve lwoerd her.

anne V. woudl eb amazing for ysl.
I think lawrence steal would be a wise chouice for gucci as well.

I think anne v would be awesome for ysl! she's gorgeous

ps: glad mcqueen got gucci, he's quirky I like that

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by blumarine@Dec 4th, 2003 - 2:58 pm
Are there any news about this?
Or should I go ahead and print my "Ford is dead. Long live McQueen" tee?

no news yet blu... bitting my nails (not)

 

[metal-on-metal]

Originally posted by tiffany+Dec 6th, 2003 - 2:57 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tiffany @ Dec 6th, 2003 - 2:57 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Spacemiu@Nov 16th, 2003 - 5:03 pm
katie, im gald she id nto expet, it hink it would ahve lwoerd her.

anne V. woudl eb amazing for ysl.
I think lawrence steal would be a wise chouice for gucci as well.

I think anne v would be awesome for ysl! she's gorgeous

ps: glad mcqueen got gucci, he's quirky I like that [/b][/quote]
Tiffany,

Spacemiu meant Parisian couture designer Anne-Valerie Hash as a nominee for YSL. Not Anne V the model.

Also, McQueen has not received Gucci as there is no official word yet. The new Gucci designer will be announced in March/April 2004 after Tom Ford's final show.

 

[Spacemiu]

Originally posted by chickonspeed+Dec 6th, 2003 - 1:08 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chickonspeed @ Dec 6th, 2003 - 1:08 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by tiffany@Dec 6th, 2003 - 2:57 pm
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@Nov 16th, 2003 - 5:03 pm
  katie, im gald she id nto expet, it hink it would ahve lwoerd her.

anne V. woudl eb amazing for ysl.
I think lawrence steal would be a wise chouice for gucci as well.

I think anne v would be awesome for ysl! she's gorgeous

ps: glad mcqueen got gucci, he's quirky I like that

Tiffany,

Spacemiu meant Parisian couture designer Anne-Valerie Hash as a nominee for YSL. Not Anne V the model.

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yup, thx chick

 

[kit]

re my post ,possibly on the wrong thread -'what next for tom ' i would STILL root for CLAUDE MONTANA or HEDI SLIMANE for YVES SAINT LAURENT RIVE GAUCHE !!!!

 

[Lena]

there is a very interesting article on NYT (miss C.Horyn of course) regarding the future of Gucci and male fashion design stereotypes

The Gucci Mantle: Women Need Not Apply, It Seems
By CATHY HORYN
Published: December 9, 2003

"I think women are better than men at everything they do," the designer Diane Von Furstenberg said. Yet she does not think a woman should design Gucci, a startling admission from one of the architects of 1970's fashion, whose simple wrap dress sold 300,000 models at its peak and became something of a status symbol.
"You wouldn't want a woman to design Gucci, would you?" she said doubtfully. Her comment may prove that women are no more immune to sexual stereotyping than men, but, in this case, Ms. Von Furstenberg was making a fairly logical assumption. "Historically, it's not a feminine brand," she said. "Gucci is a cheap Hermès — that's how it started out. Leather from Florence, the double G's. It was a man's view of a woman. Tom made it modern and sexy."....

..... what is striking about the speculative list of contenders — who include the likes of Alexander McQueen and the Dutch team Viktor & Rolf — is that it has no women on it. "We've all mentioned this," said Daryl Kerrigan, who a few years ago was up for the design job at Celine, which went to Michael Kors. "It's kind of the back-room talk."

For women, who wield enormous spending power — who hold the highest positions at fashion magazines, who as retail buyers influence what millions of women will wear — this must be galling. "It does seem very regressive," said the fashion historian Valerie Steele, pointing out that women have not just occasionally but consistently been among fashion's great innovators. One can think of Coco Chanel, Jeanne Lanvin, Elsa Schiaparelli, Claire McCardell, Alix Grès, Anne Klein, Mary Quant, Rei Kawakubo, Vivienne Westwood and Norma Kamali. The list is long.

Yet in recent years, the conglomerates that dominate the global luxury market — the Gucci Group and LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton — have tended to favor men over women, at least in the star roles. "It's become a boys' club," said Anna Wintour, the editor in chief of Vogue. Donna Karan is the only woman who is a star at LVMH, but Ms. Karan was a star before she sold her company, and she made it on her own. Gucci has Stella McCartney, but once you get past the other obvious names — Miuccia Prada, Phoebe Philo of Chloé, Carolina Herrera, Ann Demeulemeester — the star power of female designers fades drastically.

"Why do financial backers feel that male designers have an edge?" Ms. Steele asked.

The reasons are complex, and not a little sexism may be involved.

What most of the great women in design had in common is that they created their own universes, often without the help of men, and usually during periods of emancipation, especially the 1920's and 70's. But though designers like Ms. Kamali have continued to be innovative, they have watched fashion shift its emphasis to stardom and image. And that may work against even the most talented women.

"We don't have star personalities," said Ms. Kamali, who often reminds her young design staff that she was in business 14 years before she made any money. "Even among the stars that you can think of, we're not really a prima-donna group. We're quirky — we have these other names. I may be original, but original is rarely used to describe me. It's always, `She's walking her own path.' "

Men, it can be argued, play more roles in fashion than women do — as escorts to the stylish women they dress, as social arbiters, even (if one thinks of Yves Saint Laurent and Calvin Klein in their prime) as sex symbols. One cannot overestimate the part that good looks and charm played in the early success of Bill Blass and Oscar de la Renta. "When I go with a girl to an event, it's completely different," said the designer Behnaz Sarafpour, who dressed the actress Selma Blair for this year's gala for the Metropolitan Museum's Costume Institute and accompanied her to the party. And even Ms. Kerrigan admits that women she knows tend to believe they look sexy if they hear it from a man rather a girlfriend.
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[mikeijames]

As far as updates, I heard (maybe on vogue.co.uk or pagesix.com) that the Gucci Group has hired a New York headhunting firm and also, that de Sole might sneak over to Bally which has been trying for years to come back to life.

 

[Spacemiu]

WWD is saying Rodrigez and Mcqueen as well

 

[micouture]

Alexander Mcqeen - Gucci
Stella McCarney - YSL

Tom Ford - Calvin Klein

 

[micouture]

even better - tom and domenico to revive halston

 

[Episternum]

I hope they don't really consider Zac Pozen or the Proenza Schouler guys because they're still so new to the whole game. Designing six or ten good collections isn't as hard as ten or twenty years worth. I hope they get more experience at their own labels before being pitched as replacements at other houses.

 

[keepsmiling]

I like the sound of Hedi Slimane! He's fantastic.

 

[Petit Lucille]

Don't think Victor&Rolf would be a good idea, they are soo creatives, that gucci would mean a razor to their wings.. Although they do have the sense of glamour tht Gucci implies.