Hedi Slimane - Designer

To all of those who, in the Phoebe leaves Celine thread, were positive about Jacquemus having already signed the contract with Celine:

Fire your sources of information

Don't gloat, BC Collector! :lol:

Thing is, I always think of Céline as one of the very few ageless labels out there. It's not a youth brand. And I quite admired that about them. The campaigns were never imposing, same goes for the setting and casting. That makes it so much more easier to appreciate the actual clothes without unnecessary theatrics. Slimane on the other hands seem obsessed with youthifying everything he touches. Why couldn't he go to Givenchy?

I suppose it goes without saying that he'll shoot his own campaigns, this time three divisions. Auf wiedersehen, Teller! Can't say I'll miss him personally but I did warm to his campaigns towards the end.
 
I’ve been saying this for ages, it’s baffling why he does not have his own brand, he would be hugely successful. Instead he “pollutes” , to use Ben’s word, this major labels with his own vision with no consideration whatsoever for their legacy.
Didn't he say recently he would NEVER have his own label or something along the lines?.. maybe he just knows his strengths, he's a stylist/curator/art director/eternal ****boy idol/cover singer/DJ.. but not really a creator.

Céline campaigns is probably the only area that will win big time.. Teller's so hung up and delusional on the content of his work these days and presents it as if it could ever be distant from standard fashion marketing that the fashion truck runs over it in two seconds making it consistently weak and meaningless.. once you're openly vain and know you're just selling dresses/bags and are okay with that (Hedi), you might hit the jackpot sometimes (he did some good campaigns, even the black and white stuff).

I can't believe you admired anything about Céline before Phoebe, Benn. It was such a depressing brand.. Kors' era was yikes but Menichetti? dude's call was at the Hallmark headquarters, not in fashion. Phoebe's quick success was in part because she had to adjust to nothing, cause Céline was like.. a lego, just there being nothing..
 
This yes!

You can hate his aesthetics of course, but it is undeniable that he has a strong vision and is quite a genius when it comes to building an image (and managing his career! I can't even begin to imagine what his contract with Céline must contain).

And guys at least it is not Jacquemus... That would have resulted in very sad, underwhelming Phoebe Philo copying. Her Céline years were so majestic that I prefer that the brands goes completely in another direction rather than serving a diluted/ lifeless/ boring version of what she was doing.

I strongly agree. I would say it's better for whoever is going to be leading the house now, should be doing it in their own way - not to just copy or follow the same working formula. It won't ever be the same, thats why Phoebe was special!

I feel that Hedi has a lot of strengths where Celine or even Phoebe were lacking. Such as bringing a stronger online presence which they have lacked for quite some time now, I also think that this is the perfect time for the menswear that Hedi is capable of producing. I feel the time is coming for menswear to evolve from the big boxy silhouettes that you see at every turn it seems.

Im excited and hopeful to see what he produces..like many of said, his tailoring and what he was producing at Dior was something special so it should be really interesting to see what comes from this venture.
 
I can't believe you admired anything about Céline before Phoebe, Benn. It was such a depressing brand.. Kors' era was yikes but Menichetti? dude's call was at the Hallmark headquarters, not in fashion. Phoebe's quick success was in part because she had to adjust to nothing, cause Céline was like.. a lego, just there being nothing..

Lol, embarrassingly enough I've been bulking my wardrobe up with some vintage men's pieces. Is it nostalgia, a thirst to have a 'Céline' piece on my body, or poor taste? Dunno. Don't particularly care either. All I know is that little private shopping spree of mine just came to an abrupt end with Hedi's announcement. Everyone will jump on Céline Men's now, which will send prices soaring.

The thing about Kors' Céline was that I found it very American. Easy and basic appeal and glamour, like the poor man's Tom Ford. This type of sensibility was of course de rigeur at the time. Never could tell the difference between his label and Céline. But despite his mediocrity I did feel sorry for how things ended for him.

Oh, btw, agreed about Teller! See current Isabel Marant campaign.
 
^^
He has said many times that he is not interested in doing his own line. Before he left Dior Homme, he was offered by LVMH the possibility to have his own line.

He seems to be one of those who cherish his freedom and having his own line mean being attached to something.

But he does not seem to have the integrity to adapt is own style (and talent) to the history of the houses he represents. I think no matter where he goes this modus operandi will always end up being a huge problem. Let's see how long he will last at Celine.
 
Just thinking about that...
I find it a bit tacky that he didn't even aknowledged Phoebe's accomplishments at Celine. He is just going to come and change everything like he did at Saint Laurent.

I expected more class from him...

To all of those who, in the Phoebe leaves Celine thread, were positive about Jacquemus having already signed the contract with Celine:

Fire your sources of information
:lol::lol::lol:
But it was a real rumor around Paris tho..
 
I find this tragic to fashion.

We have brands like Vetements, Gucci and YSL creating instagram/Coachella/LA-money fashion. Céline was a safe space for many women. It was simple, clean, comfortable attire. It was empowering, mature. There are very few major brands doing simple, classic attire like that. Hermes and Chloe always failed to look as imposing to me.

If the world was fair, Hedi Slimane would be at Balmain, where he belongs, and Céline would keep Phoebe.
 
I can't really say I'm all that excited about this. The womenswear & couture will play no role in my closet. And if his last years @ DH and entire tenure @ YSL are any indication, he seems to be stuck on that particular high-fashion hipster, rock-star look, and we all know looking like the Brandt brothers is soooo 2012. And I don't wear cologne. So I think I'll have to swipe left on all of this.
 
This is Hedi Slimane. He is not going to change his aesthetic for nobody.
Let's not talk like YSL was a dying house. YSL hit rock bottom in the 90's when Hedi was there first. Yes, Alber and Tom helped the brand doing good but the brand became profitable with Pilati. The real problem was that the accessories business was stronger than the RTW in an excessive way and that with clothes not selling, mixed to bad reviews and above all Pierre Bergé saying to everyone who wants to hear it that the designer in charge is not good...Quite difficult to maintain an healthy relationship.

Hedi is not going to change anything in his aesthetic. My only hope is that it evolves beyond his obsession with young skinny rockers. It's a 4 year contract and i want to see something else.

LVMH is cashing into a star designer because it allows them to do a 180° shift.

Hedi is obviously very ambitious so i wonder why they didn't offered him the Dior job. I find it so weird to have KVA and Hedi Slimane in the same group...

Who is KVA?
 
Who is KVA?

Kris Van Assche.

There are always possiblities of growth. It's not about selling, most of the brands in the LVMH group are selling well, it's about finding new opportunities.
Dior is in a such identity crisis that for me, having Hedi there wouldn't have that bad. MGC is doing a lackluster version of his work and KVA has been living off his legacy for a decade now and compared to Celine, he already has all the structures in place.

I would loved Hedi at Dior instead of at Celine. I would definitely bought everything if this would happen but at least Celine is better than nothing at all and at least it is in the same group as Dior.
 
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Celine before Phoebe may not have been exciting from a fashion viewpoint, but it was a place to buy shall we say elevated basics. If you wanted a black skirt that was both interesting and useful, you could get it there. To me that is definitely not nothing ... oh, and the prices were pretty reasonable too. Post-Phoebe, they skyrocketed.

At least Hedi can't clone himself, so he can only suckify one house at a time.

It's too bad he couldn't have gone to Lanvin ... it would have been a battle to the death between him and Madame Wang :nuke: :rofl:
 
Would it be possible that those rumours were started to deceive the press?

Totally but those rumors generally comes from people in the press. Jacquemus added some fuel to that with his selfie.
Anyway, here TFS e only talked about it as a rumor as he was one of the contender. They have been looking for a successor for quite some time now and Hedi non-compete agreement ended last-year. His last interview made impossible for people to ever think about him.
 
Lol.

Not surprised by this move, given the type of nouveau riche and tacky clientele that LVMH brands attract.
 
I can't really say I'm all that excited about this. The womenswear & couture will play no role in my closet. And if his last years @ DH and entire tenure @ YSL are any indication, he seems to be stuck on that particular high-fashion hipster, rock-star look, and we all know looking like the Brandt brothers is soooo 2012. And I don't wear cologne. So I think I'll have to swipe left on all of this.

Agreed. Hedi absolutely amazed me at YSL in 2000/2001. He impressed me at Dior through 2004 (I mean, nobody had really every seen anything like SOLITAIRE, at least in the mainstream). I looked, but kinda got over it by 2006-07, and nothing he did since then has impressed me. The whole YSL return was a giant shrug for me, and disappointing.

It's interesting that he's going to Celine, though; I see a parallel with Dior. Celine really was a dusty brand when Phoebe got there... she gave it an entirely new direction and set up an entire aesthetic that hadn't been associated before. Hedi did that with Dior. In that way, I can understand why one might think Hedi would be a good choice... but everything he's done since 2005 has shown me that he's sort of tapped out, and recycling.

I predict some initial buzz, a great deal of hype, some fanboy/girl fawning, and then yawns while we go look at more interesting stuff downmarket.
 
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I predict some initial buzz, a great deal of hype, some fanboy/girl fawning, and then yawns while we go look at more interesting stuff downmarket.

You've just perfectly encapsulated his stint at Saint Laurent!
 
Bernard Arnault seems very happy with his coup.
He said that now, thanks to Phoebe, Celine is close to be a 1 billion fashion house and his goal with Hedi is to take it to 2 or 3 billions.

So, we can expect a heavy dose of commercialism. I don't have that much hope for his stint at Celine.

It seems like Phoebe won't have her farewell show. That makes me sad...
 
Bernard Arnault seems very happy with his coup.
He said that now, thanks to Phoebe, Celine is close to be a 1 billion fashion house and his goal with Hedi is to take it to 2 or 3 billions.

So, we can expect a heavy dose of commercialism. I don't have that much hope for his stint at Celine.

It seems like Phoebe won't have her farewell show. That makes me sad...

Just wait; like they did for the later Dior Homme seasons, they'll come up with a Logo. It was a bee at DH; let's see what it will be for Celine. But, we'll see it on "logo" tees and a canvas totebag for $1895.
 
As for Saint Laurent, studios will be both based in Paris and LA. So I've been told...
 
VERY interesting article from BoF.

Who Will Dress the Philophiles?

NEW YORK, United States — The thing many fashion followers will remember most about Phoebe Philo’s Céline is the continuous stampede of It-bags. From the Phantom to Trio to the Cabas, they fuelled dozens of trends and inspired hundreds — or maybe even thousands? — of knockoffs. But for a more rarefied (and moneyed) group, it’s the fashion that will conjure longing.

“I was never hooked on the handbags,” says Alyson Cafiero, a Brooklyn-based fashion and jewellery consultant. “But I was a big fan of the clothes.”

Cafiero began purchasing Céline when Philo showed her first collection for the LVMH-owned fashion house in 2009 and has continued intermittently ever since. She currently counts approximately two-dozen Céline pieces in her wardrobe, which sit alongside a collection of Alessandro Michele Gucci items that fill an entire room. As someone with “downtown” tastes who travels in “uptown” circles, Cafiero values Céline for its sophisticated, singular vision. “They’re basics that are anything but basic; trendless pieces that have impeccable quality,” she says. “I dress for myself, and these clothes are an extension of me.”

While Cafiero has “weaved in-and-out of Céline” over the years, she started paying close attention once again when rumours of Philo’s departure from the house began surfacing in 2016. This season, she has already purchased multiple pieces, including the $590 “CÉLINE” PVC shopping tote — a deviation from her typical anti-It-bag stance — as well as a red cape-back dress ($2,450), trousers, a pair of white python Mary Janes and pair of mules. She also put in requests for a calfskin cape ($6,200) and a vest ($2,050). And she may buy more: perhaps one of the fringed pieces yet to arrive in-store.

It seems as though Cafiero and her friends are preparing for the post-Philo era at Céline — now led by Hedi Slimane — with the same fervour as conspiracy theorists stockpiling toilet paper pre-Y2K.

Polina Proshkina, a consultant who splits her time between New York and Russia, has long spent 40-50 percent of her clothing budget each year on Philo’s wares. This season, she has already purchased two lingerie-inspired dresses — both $4,000 each — the new chunky calfskin sneakers ($850) in black and white, that PVC bag, a suit that she’ll “cherish forever,” a wrap dress in cotton micro-faille ($1,250), a “couple” of other bags, as well as another dress in viscose twill. “I absolutely bought faster and more into it in the early stages this season,” Proshkina says. “I didn’t want to take a chance this time.”

THERE IS A PALPABLE NERVOUSNESS AMONGST SOME PHILO DEVOTEES ON HOW THEY WILL FILL THEIR CLOSETS FROM HERE ON OUT.

In the secondary market, one way to measure a brand’s temperature, demand for Céline is on fire. Re-commerce megaplayer The RealReal has seen unique searches for the brand increase 42 percent — and revenue increase by 60 percent — since Philo announced her departure on December 22, 2017. As a result, the site has increased prices of the most iconic styles by up to 20 percent. “Now is a great time to consign,” notes The RealReal’s chief merchant, Rati Levesque. Céline declined to reveal data on current sales momentum, but analysts put total sales for 2017 at €950 million.

Though quantitative data is hard to come by, knowing that incoming creative director Hedi Slimane’s vision is likely to be drastically different from Philo’s — they not only differ in aesthetic, but also in the way they fit clothes on a body — there is a palpable nervousness amongst some Philo devotees on how they will fill their closets from here on out.

These devotees are not limited to women only; over the years, Céline became an almost-secret resource for a small, but notable niche of men who dismiss ideas of gendered clothing. Philo’s personal style was also a point of reference for many of her customers. A working mother of three who wore her own pieces with great frequency, iconic imagery of Philo — a 2010 shoot for Gentlewoman, her runway bow in Stan Smiths — were continually considered.

Slimane’s first womenswear collection for the label will not arrive in stores until the spring of 2019, so Philophiles have time to plan their exit strategies. (On Tuesday in Paris, the brand will host an Autumn/Winter 2018 presentation designed by the in-house team. And then there is the Pre-Fall collection, images of which will be released this summer when it arrives in stores.) And while Slimane will undoubtedly turn the brand’s aesthetic upside down, wiping away everything from influential store design to the logo, there is also a chance he will keep a few of the best-selling products around in his race to triple the house’s revenues within five years. After all, the YSL Tribute sandal, perhaps the most identifiable item from the Stefano Pilati-era of the house, is still being produced today, years after Slimane left Saint Laurent and nearly 10 years after it was first introduced.

Which is all to say that there is still time.

“We are seeing more of a sheer panic of what’s to come, but not an uptick in sales just yet,” reports Laura Vinroot Poole, owner of the Charlotte, North Carolina, specialty retailer Capitol. “But there is that fear of the future, the fear of the unknown, the fear of life without Phoebe. Especially because Phoebe’s sensibility and minimalism is really starting to move into full swing as the antithesis to Guccification. It leaves an open wound and a corner of the market to be served.”

PHOEBE’S SENSIBILITY AND MINIMALISM IS REALLY STARTING TO MOVE INTO FULL SWING AS THE ANTITHESIS TO GUCCIFICATION.

Beth Buccini, owner of specialty retailer Kirna Zabête, which has locations in Manhattan’s Soho neighbourhood, East Hampton, Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, and Palm Beach, says that Céline is currently Kirna Zabête’s best-selling brand across brick-and-mortar stores. Like Vinroot Poole, Buccini described her clients as “excited and anxious” to add to their collections. More ready-to-wear pieces have sold at this point in the season that what is typical for the brand.

As for who might be poised fill the Céline void? “I think there is a great opportunity for many female designers who have yet to fully break into mainstream or receive the respect they deserve,” Buccini says. “Like Victoria Beckham, Rosetta Getty and Gabriela Hearst.”

To be sure, there is a cadre of designers scratching a similar intellectual itch, most notably Jonathan Anderson at Loewe and Christophe Lemaire and Sarah-Linh Tran at Lemaire, who manage to communicate a similar aesthetic vision without making the wearer look sexless or uncomfortable.


“I like Joseph, I like Tibi, I like Regina Pyo,” says Proshkina, whose impulse purchase of the year was a Schiaparelli couture gown. “I like Loewe, which is more whimsical and will replace the trendier Céline pieces. I just bought something from Gabriela Hearst. But there are slim pickings.” (She’s also interested to see what Michael Rider, Philo’s designer director, will do in his new post at Polo Ralph Lauren.) For those who were originally drawn to Philo’s meditation on minimalism, The Row is another option.

But while there are new ideas floating around, many, if not all, of these brands relied upon Philo to be their North Star. Without her agenda-setting collections, will they lose their way?

“There are so many designers, but nothing stands out,” says jewellery designer, stylist and Céline consumer Mia Fryer. “I don’t feel the same connection.” Fryer almost exclusively wears Céline shirting and suiting, counting about 35 pieces in her current wardrobe. (The rest are packed away because of an impending move to Los Angeles.) Instead, she plans on abstaining from shopping for a while in the hopes that a new designer will inspire her, or that Philo will emerge once again. “Céline is just a name,” she says. “What I like is not Céline, it’s what she creates.”
Source: https://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/professional/who-will-dress-the-philophiles
 

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