Hedi Slimane - Designer

[style_expert]

The fact that these older rumors are resurfacing may point to some truth in them.
Given how specific Mr. Armani’s will was, I can’t imagine he hasn’t also thought carefully about his successor.

We still don’t know the exact circumstances under which Hedi left Celine, so who’s to say this Armani situation hasn’t been developing quietly for much longer than we realize?

 

[Caffeine]

because i cant write lol 🤭

You write very well!

 

[psychopsist]

I think putting the looks side by side is a reach a little bit. You can do it with anybody. Every designer has done a black velvet dress, therefore we can say that everybody can do Armani.
At this point, Hedi can be the CD of every brand possible (I’m sure his fans would love it) because he is not a very original designer in the first place.

The problem with Hedi is never reallly putting a look side by side. It’s more a question of spirit. He get away with it but it’s the same thing as Dario Vitale for Versace. Is it in the spirit of the house?
The Hedi girl is a groupie. The Armani woman is not. The Hedi boy is a rocker or a young aristocrat. The Armani man is a very sophisticated active man.

The irony is that Hedi himself is maybe more familiar with the Armani lifestyle. But in terms of brand ethos, it would be very sad to see come and impose his vision to brand.

Because he is Hedi Slimane, people will praise him for disrespecting what Mr Armani created. Armani is a culture, a certain idea of luxury, a certain idea of sophistication, a sophistication that doesn’t mind being ostentatious. When we look at where Mr Armani held his Couture shows, it screamed luxury.

I find it a bit sad that even Hedi’s fans doesn’t expect more from him.

Maybe it wasn’t clear, but I Included the side by side for the contrast, not to show how similar they are and how Hedi is perfectly fit. That’s why I call one(Armani) graceful and Hedi’s blackout drunk lol. But I was asking myself if and where I could see the Armani spirit converging with some of his preferred style, and to me Spring 2016 held an example. If it feels cherry picked that’s because it is- the majority of Armani shows contain nothing I can imagine Hedi bothering to create anything in the spirit of. Ofc because it already exists he shouldn’t copy it, but if it didn’t and was his debut look #1, I’d be pleasantly surprised. But I agree it is a reach. Hedi designing for the rich, supple, ladylike Armani woman is a reach too lol.

I am a fan of Armani, it sounds like we both anticipate a downgrade in sophistication. If the rumor is true, anyway

 

[Kanzai]

Hmm MFF contacted the house and they denied it?

 

[PDFSD]

He fits perfectly at Armani, I feel the same boredom coming from his dresses.

this idea of boredom to his tailoring and dressing i wanted to mention as well , at face value most of the stuff is mostly boring and that's the appeal for the hardcore fans i think because it like a evergreen classic piece.

its what armani also had for a long time Ralph and Hermes Loro Piana etc are all types of brands that have twist on this boredom continuity.

i like change and experimentation but just as much also things that don't change much but are forever or at least a lifetime.

i agree totaly most of hedi stuff is boring and that classic but updated slightly appeals to me in a way its bit off

 

[psychopsist]

Hmm MFF contacted the house and they denied it?

oh, interesting.

 

[Kanzai]

I'm fine with anyone (talent) atp, Hedi is not my top pick but it's probably fine. But I want the house goes hiatus (no shows) at least 1 year, it need a big rest, things feel so tired nowadays. It’s just fashion, just clothes -- you can’t expect the spirit or ethos of Armani to stay, because the man himself knew it would end with him. I think it’ll be okay, whoever comes next, Hedi or anyone else talent

 

[Kimihiro]

Well that was fun!

 

[AFWQ]

Hmm MFF contacted the house and they denied it?

I think I read this on Susanna Nicoletti instagram... Hedi has been for some time in Italy and in contact with Italian houses - Gucci, I think Versace and last one was Armani. Which is why she assumed he could possibly be taking lead of house.

Her instagram is now private but I think she had it posted on her stories this.

 

[PDFSD]

I think putting the looks side by side is a reach a little bit. You can do it with anybody. Every designer has done a black velvet dress, therefore we can say that everybody can do Armani.
At this point, Hedi can be the CD of every brand possible (I’m sure his fans would love it) because he is not a very original designer in the first place.

The problem with Hedi is never reallly putting a look side by side. It’s more a question of spirit. He get away with it but it’s the same thing as Dario Vitale for Versace. Is it in the spirit of the house?
The Hedi girl is a groupie. The Armani woman is not. The Hedi boy is a rocker or a young aristocrat. The Armani man is a very sophisticated active man.

The irony is that Hedi himself is maybe more familiar with the Armani lifestyle. But in terms of brand ethos, it would be very sad to see come and impose his vision to brand.

Because he is Hedi Slimane, people will praise him for disrespecting what Mr Armani created. Armani is a culture, a certain idea of luxury, a certain idea of sophistication, a sophistication that doesn’t mind being ostentatious. When we look at where Mr Armani held his Couture shows, it screamed luxury.

I find it a bit sad that even Hedi’s fans doesn’t expect more from him.

question not just to Lola but everyone that says Hedi impose xyz :

is Blazy not imposing his Phoebe copy disguised with craft vision on Chanel ?
Is JWA not bring is LOEWE tricks vision on to Dior ?
is PPP not doing is Valentino pop color ready made couture at Balenciaga?
Is AM not doing his same Gucci flea market at Valentino?

etc etc

are they the spirit of the brand? is it not what is new is also to lets say to disrespect parts of the house like Karl dit 10000000000x with Chanel.

I am disappointed that Blazy cult like following is not expecting more of him and voice critice on his dull choices and lack of true modernity hidden under craft propaganda, let alone know how to cut clothes to fit elegantly etc. (i understood even Phoebe and her team were laughing at the collection he did & she not a fan of her copycats minions )

We seen two collections already and it all makes no sense at Chanel just awkward stuff that no body even remotely liking it can say it's amazing or a dream to wear or have these stuff wholeheartedly can or will say!!!

The Hedi rocker cliche is a weak argument, many of those Celine red carpet dresses where in the show collection or are versions of it and all those ladies looked nothing like a rock star groupie.

YSL project had more music elements in it because that was the relation he choose to high light for Saint Laurent of then connected to now as in happening on the streets aka sub cultures where music is always at the center.
Spoke once to Hedi´s right hand person and as this person was explaining Hedi is always (driving them crazy lol ) asking to the teams and people what is going with new (music) scenes or bands or artist etc relentlessly as this informs the clothes and attitude later on for collections.
The spirit of Yves that time for Saint Laurent as you know was youth and rebel and at times scandalous so he did version of that for today when he was there at YSL.

The thing with Hedi is 99% of his motives are explained in all his press and interviews so there should be no mystery to what the context was for YSL.
Sure he over explains and like on this forum and in general people dislike to much details and technicalities or facts .....its to nerdy.

Blazy interview we are none the wiser than that he wants to be able to be free to do 10000 ideas in one collection without choosing a clear message because thats old lol
And that if COCO was not in love with a man Chanel would not exist LOLz and the archive is overwhelming to him surprise surprise !!!!

Hedi evolution is clear from all 3 brands there is consistency in is vision like all the above designers have good or bad .
Even Mr.Armani likes him and was in contact with him so honestly what more does the guy need for approval if it was the case him to replace Armani.

If people that say they love Armani they should respect a dead man's wish :-) and leave this picture below i always loved .

(Metalica is a rock band in case anybody did not know or wants to google it , the singer/rockstar is seen shopping at Armani )

 

[PDFSD]

I think I read this on Susanna Nicoletti instagram... Hedi has been for some time in Italy and in contact with Italian houses - Gucci, I think Versace and last one was Armani. Which is why she assumed he could possibly be taking lead of house.

Her instagram is now private but I think she had it posted on her stories this.

ah yes true could also be Versace he did photograph in past Prada mens AD campaign so maybe warm feeling is still there.

could be even more perfect Hedi at Versace :-)

 

[Kanzai]

^ Oh no, if I were Armani, I wouldn't let Hedi fall into the hands of Versace(Prada). He is Helen of Troy in fashion. I don’t want Versace/Prada to W.
#JK

 

[kasper!]

Random question - he bought a house in Milan right? Where is located?

 

[fashionlov]

No, I want Ackermann at Armani. He's the ideal person, he's perfect. Some of these pieces are more Armani than Tom Ford.
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[Kanzai]

^ Haider’s spirit is for sure closer to Giorgio’s than Hedi’s — his clothes have that same sense of fluidity, serenity and attitude but he’s in Tom Ford so unlikely. Hedi is an all rounder but if not him Stefano Pilati for men and Theyskens for womens (or better be CO duo) r what dream are made of. If Rick Owens can still design like he did in the 2000s then I would gladly want him. Helmut Lang is one of those greats who are still alive could do wonderful but too bad he’s old and long done with the industry and its noise.

 

[Lola701]

question not just to Lola but everyone that says Hedi impose xyz :

is Blazy not imposing his Phoebe copy disguised with craft vision on Chanel ?
Is JWA not bring is LOEWE tricks vision on to Dior ?
is PPP not doing is Valentino pop color ready made couture at Balenciaga?
Is AM not doing his same Gucci flea market at Valentino?

etc etc

are they the spirit of the brand? is it not what is new is also to lets say to disrespect parts of the house like Karl dit 10000000000x with Chanel.

For me it’s about the ethos of the brand. Not so much about the aesthetic. A designer can have their aesthetic, their language and should be able to mold it to fit the ethos of the brand.

That’s why for example Karl had his aesthetic that he applied to Fendi and Chanel and Chloe. Karl did the round shapes everywhere, he had a specific way to do a chiffon dress, he had a specific way to play with shoulders, he had a specific way to do flou. But Chanel under Karl was different to Fendi under Karl.

For me what’s happening with Matthieu, JWA, PPP is different to what is happening with Michele at Valentino.

We can agree to disagree and we will continue to disagree on that matter.

There’s a reason why Hedi did a volte-face after his first Celine show which was the logic continuation of his last YSL show. There’s a reason why Michele suddenly tone things down in his last show to try to be more about the ethos of the brand.


There’s procès d’intention towards Hedi. There’s no pushback from me on the fact that he has a personality, an identity, a design language. I have an issue when it becomes too much about him and so little about the brand as a whole.

I find the TikTok era of Celine totally abyssal. It worked commercially but it was trash. But when you look at his two last collections, much like his second and third collections for Celine: parfait.

But maybe I should ask you why don’t have the same indulgence for others then?

If we decide to rate everybody’s work by the standards some would want to apply for Hedi, everybody should be exempt of critics then…Or Is it a « who screams the loudest? » and then in that game, nobody can win against a Hedi fan (except maybe the Demna crowd).

I am disappointed that Blazy cult like following is not expecting more of him and voice critice on his dull choices and lack of true modernity hidden under craft propaganda, let alone know how to cut clothes to fit elegantly etc.

Aren’t you doing the same with Hedi though? And does Blazy has a cult following? Out of all the designers alive today. There are only 3/4 designers that has had a cult like following in a very strong sometimes vicious way and it has never been Matthieu Blazy.

 

[Lola701]

I am a fan of Armani, it sounds like we both anticipate a downgrade in sophistication. If the rumor is true, anyway

Yes to this but I also want to say that it doesn’t mean that Hedi is not capable of High sophistication. He can do it. He did at Dior Homme (FW2006), he had very sophisticated visuals at Saint Laurent with Anja Rubik and at Celine, his last 2 collections had that high sophistication.

I’m more afraid of the other side of Hedi. And I’m afraid of that because in that other side, womenswear is that one that is losing the most.

 

[Lola701]

Hmm MFF contacted the house and they denied it?

I mean it was obvious they would. Hedi taking over Armani will be a more pressing conversation when L’Oreal acquires the brand.
They will need someone who is not afraid to apply a shock treatment to the house.

 

[Kanzai]

Create his own label and it would be a hit, he’s fashion’s darling and has a huge fanbase so everything will be fine.

 

[Kanzai]

Raf said he’s like Nicolas, who don’t know what it is to have their own brand.


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