Jay Z Physically Attacked by Beyonce's Sister Solange

[LagerfeldBoy]

Don't expect equality if you're not ready to play by equal rules yourself. Women on men violence is extremely prevalent and widely unreported, disrespected and ignored, precisely because of attitude like yours. Do men hurt less when they're being hit? Do men not emotionally damaged from being abused? If anything, there's even more of a shame and stigma to a man who's been abused by a woman precisely because people don't take it seriously.

Are you sure? Sis, I need some receipts to back up that claim. I'm not saying it's okay for Solange to attack him physically, but men attacking women is something that's far more apparent than women attacking men. Men constantly objectify woman, sexualize them, and treat them like **** which allows them to unfortunately think it's okay to physically attack them.

 

[petit fours]

She is so self controlled kinda like it. Anyone remembered the christmas tree on punk'd? Gotta loved that smile she gave the public after it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHA7bBigzxc

 

[eternitygoddess]

Are you sure? Sis, I need some receipts to back up that claim. I'm not saying it's okay for Solange to attack him physically, but men attacking women is something that's far more apparent than women attacking men. Men constantly objectify woman, sexualize them, and treat them like **** which allows them to unfortunately think it's okay to physically attack them.

I would wager that men on women violence happens more frequently than women on men violence, but I do think the latter happens with more occurrence than most people think. The statistics you're going to get if you search for domestic violence in men will be lower than what it should be, due to men reporting such instances less.

I think that society giving more leeway to domestic violence against men is a contradiction against proclamations for gender equality. If Jay-Z and Solange's roles were reversed, someone would be sitting in jail right now.

 

[happycanadian]

I think that society giving more leeway to domestic violence against men is a contradiction against proclamations for gender equality. If Jay-Z and Solange's roles were reversed, someone would be sitting in jail right now.

I agree with you completely. It's almost unarguable.

With that being said, I think there IS a major difference that is also pretty much unarguable. And it's that were the roles reversed - and Jay-Z attacked Solange with the same level of fury and violence, she wouldn't have walked out of the elevator. He's a giant man, twice her size and much much stronger. So he would have been in jail because the damage inflicted *physically* on Solange would have been much greater.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

I agree with you completely. It's almost unarguable.

With that being said, I think there IS a major difference that is also pretty much unarguable. And it's that were the roles reversed - and Jay-Z attacked Solange with the same level of fury and violence, she wouldn't have walked out of the elevator. He's a giant man, twice her size and much much stronger. So he would have been in jail because the damage inflicted *physically* on Solange would have been much greater.

Exactly. It is a fact that man are indeed physically threatening to woman, and with good reason, because their upper body strength is much superior. People do a disservice to "equality" when they choose to pretend that just because we are equal, we do should start ignoring the real power this physical difference always gave men.

 

[LoveKatFashion]

What would you have Beyonce do? Probably moreso than any other celebrity on the planet, Beyonce has managed her image with a fiercely protective and controlling grip. She knows that there are cameras in an elevator. She knows that there are hundreds of photographers right outside the hotel. She knows that a HUGE part of her brand is based around her seemingly flawless, put together, composed, unflappable, in-control image. And a large part of her appeal is tied to her perfect marriage with her iconic husband. SO... would you actually expect her to get physical in that elevator? Would you actually expect her to come out of the hotel, pissed-off and miserable or crying? If she were to do that, this story would be 100x bigger than it already is. It would've been all over the planet.

No. Beyonce maintained her composure. She put on what little smile she could manage. She got in the car. And I'm sure, once they were home - behind closed doors and away from the public - she let loose with her wrath. lol. But we will NEVER see or hear a single bit of it. She's far too savvy for that.

I understand that she kept her composure for the cameras, and I agree she is smart about that. I guess I just feel the fact that she is aware of this, its almost fake you know? Like the moments where it appears she is candid feel a little forced for because it feels like she is trying to show how she lets her guard down, is just like you and me, etc. But its just another part in the publicity game isn't it?

I was always one of those too that also believed she faked her pregnany That being said, despite how fake I find her, I still jam to every one of her songs

 

[LoveKatFashion]

Also I am in no way condoning that Solange was right and it was okay for her to hit Jay or freak out the way she did.

 

[eternitygoddess]

I understand that she kept her composure for the cameras, and I agree she is smart about that. I guess I just feel the fact that she is aware of this, its almost fake you know? Like the moments where it appears she is candid feel a little forced for because it feels like she is trying to show how she lets her guard down, is just like you and me, etc. But its just another part in the publicity game isn't it?

I was always one of those too that also believed she faked her pregnany That being said, despite how fake I find her, I still jam to every one of her songs

Of course she's aware of the image she is projecting. Anyone who reaches a certain level of success has be aware of their image and exert control over it. Beyonce achieved her level of superstardom because of the "flawless" image she projects. She's a megastar due to a combination of 1) her talent and 2) her marriage. People want to see images of her perfect images and life, and want to believe in that picture-perfect tableu. Beyonce has many times signaled in her songs that her life isn't as idealized as her fans want it to be, but she's still expected to maintain a facade.

I feel like she's in a lose-lose situation. People want their idols to be perfect, and yet when they see how unrealistic that perfection is, people turn on those idols and react as if they've been personally betrayed. I find it hypocritical.

 

[LoveKatFashion]

^I know she is quite aware, and because of that, I always found it annoying when I see her being "candid" and "real" because I find that it probably isn't genuine. Thats how I feel about alot of celebs whom seem to put on this front.

Just my opinion.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

^I know she is quite aware, and because of that, I always found it annoying when I see her being "candid" and "real" because I find that it probably isn't genuine. Thats how I feel about alot of celebs whom seem to put on this front.

Just my opinion.

I agree. That's exactly why i cannot stand her. People are assuming that the fact she's incredibly successful through micro managing her life for the public is something that everyone will perceive as positive. I don't. At all. That's actually the worst about her.

 

[eternitygoddess]

^But she wouldn't be so "successful" if she didn't micromanage her image. So it's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

 

[kokobombon]

^aren´t there plenty of successful women who don´t do that?

imo people feel betrayed when their perfectly construed image crumble (Beyonce´s or any other celeb) because they realize it´s fake. But if a celeb has talent and it´s not a complety bad person then people would love and care just the same, flaws and all.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

^But she wouldn't be so "successful" if she didn't micromanage her image. So it's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

Not at all. Success at all costs does not cut it in my book. Better be less successful but for the right reasons. It's what you did to became successful what counts for me. Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton are also very successful women, it does not mean most people will look up to them in admiration.
Although i absolutely hate Beyonce style of music and her type of performance, I can recognise she's a very talented woman, unlike the other two, but the fact that there is not a genuine bone in what she does it end ups being detrimental to her image, at least in the book..

 

[eternitygoddess]

^aren´t there plenty of successful women who don´t do that?

imo people feel betrayed when their perfectly construed image crumble (Beyonce´s or any other celeb) because they realize it´s fake. But if a celeb has talent and it´s not a complety bad person then people would love and care just the same, flaws and all.

When you say successful women, do you mean successful women celebrities or successful women lawyers or successful women bankers?

I'd argue that celebrities rely more on their construed image to make money than other roles.

 

[kokobombon]

^I was talking about celebs. eg Angelina Jolie, she has shown plenty of "flaws" yet she´s quite successful isn´t she? I´d say more famous than Beyonce worldwide and in a wider range of audience.
Of course I think all celebs to some extent have construed images and control their persona, I just don´t think everyone has to micromanage it like Beyonce does.

 

[CielDeLit]

The fact that she thought about her dress and how she would look in the paparazzi pictures after it, instead of doing something about her husband and her sister fist fighting in an elevator right next to you speaks volumes to me.

Puh-lease..why is it so hard to understand that she wanted to keep this family matter private and that she didn't want it on the news ?

Jay was never in danger anyway, Bey let the bodyguard do his job and she probably spoke to calm things down, but we'll never hear it. In this context, I don't blame her for staying calm and trying to avoid a scandal.

Now I can understand that she tries a bit too hard to make her relationship seem flawless, it reminds me of Heidi Klum/Seal and Will & Jada..it also looked too good to be true

 

[Les_Sucettes]

^I was talking about celebs. eg Angelina Jolie, she has shown plenty of "flaws" yet she´s quite successful isn´t she? I´d say more famous than Beyonce worldwide and in a wider range of audience.
Of course I think all celebs to some extent have construed images and control their persona, I just don´t think everyone has to micromanage it like Beyonce does.

I agree. I would even add the majority of the celebrities people respect from past and present are actually always flawed individuals but with enough talent to overshadow those flaws.

 

[LoveKatFashion]

^Yep.

and now a beautiful family photo is released

http://www.justjared.com/2014/05/19/beyonce-jay-z-solange-smile-wide-in-new-family-photo/




How convinent.

 

[TianSoFine]

1. Different celebrities have different images. Different things work for different people and not everyone can follow the Angelina Jolie model.
2. Not everyone wants every flaw in their personal life to be media property. It's perfectly valid for her to want to keep some things in her private life. I can't believe we feel so entitled to knowing absolutely everything about these people.

 

[kokobombon]

^that wasn´t the discussion, you can read post 70 to follow where this "mini thread" started