Jonathan Anderson - Designer, Creative Director of JW Anderson & Christian Dior

[PDFSD]

For me there is a draw: both of them are crap.

this clarity of voice we need more of in fashion. period !

 

[fruitdots]

Yes. Say what you want, or judge it under the lens of your personal taste, but that collection was a strong moment for the brand. She asserted a totally new vision for Dior and in that collection created many hit-makers: the J'Adior branding (that went on for many seasons and to this day continues to sell), the slingbacks, the deconstructed bar jacket, the re-introduction of the branded t-shirt at Dior, etc etc.

I am not nostalgic for that time period of Dior by any means, I'm just merely stating facts and giving her respect where respect is due.

Jonathan's first outing for Dior on the other hand was not strong. It was not a departure or a fresh start for the brand, as observed by many people in this forum and in the press who saw similarities between the looks in the show with Kim Jones' vision for Dior Men.

Maria Grazia's first collection for Dior however was a complete shift from the respective aesthetic's of Raf Simons and John Galliano.

We haven't even had a womenswear show from JWA yet. It's a tad early to act as though the data is there for comparison.

And you're really reaching re. MGC. Go back to the thread from that show and see what the response was. The consensus was that it was a repetitive, dull, basic, generic—even tragic—recapitulation of her previous work at Valentino. Trying to re-narrate it as some sort of triumph or fresh start is just historical revisionism.

 

[Kimihiro]

I wouldn’t call the first MGC show a design triumph, but in hindsight, it was a show that defined what we expect of fashion now—mediocrity included. That show was hit after hit and it was a winner, no matter how banal it was. It really indeed was a new Dior: bland.

 

[Demna]

I'm pretty sure the shorts are in the range of 8000-12.000 EUROS (I can't remember exactly but the price is extremely high). I predict we will see them on influencers next season and that is about it! LOL

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Price doesn't matter. The critique "no one's gonna wear this" is so thoughtless I mean who are you talking about? This is a commercial to generate speculative value. The odds you would see anyone wearing anything from any of these threads are low. Once in a blue moon I will recognize a garment on someone from a show. It'd be more interesting to talk about how any of this would influence or lead culture in a certain direction, but as I say that the discussion would be over before it started. The last time someone actually shifted a vibe was Demna regardless of how it turned out. This stuff just echoes what's already out there and then again I'm f*cking typing this out like I'm expecting fresh ingredients at McDonald's again omg I am a snake eating its tail.

 

[Frederic01]

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How much are the ones from the first look? With the pleating at the back?

 

[Demna]

How much are the ones from the first look? With the pleating at the back?

They are the same one.

 

[PDFSD]

he does not learn this guy JWA copying nikes sustabale sneaker line and do an new version that has nothing to do with the environmental or colab with nike

NIKE DID IT BETTER

 

[TianCouture]

Mmmmm if you REALLY want to take it there, you could argue he was in the archives and saw the moccasin/moccasin boots from fall 2002 womens, which was my immediate thought in terms of reference.

 

[fruitdots]

You can find countless chukka/moccasin hybrids like this—it's not a unique shape. The Dior sneakers are ugly, but I think the comparison is trivial.

 

[PDFSD]

Mmmmm if you REALLY want to take it there, you could argue he was in the archives and saw the moccasin/moccasin boots from fall 2002 womens, which was my immediate thought in terms of reference.

lol

but its not its the combinations of elements even sneakered morphed mid high top of a classic moccasin construction and even the bi color combos with outer seam plus modular sole that make it not a everage chucka or moccasin.

its not first time with JWA like his hermes copy for one of his poplar bags 7 ish years ago and RTW happens allot with his own brand

 

[TianCouture]

lol

but its not its the combinations of elements even sneakered morphed mid high top of a classic moccasin construction and even the bi color combos with outer seam plus modular sole that make it not a everage chucka or moccasin.

its not first time with JWA like his hermes copy for one of his poplar bags 7 ish years ago and RTW happens allot with his own brand

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mmmmm it kind of is though. there are similarities and im certainly not defending him, but calling it green washing is a bridge wayyyyyyyy too far.

 

[fruitdots]

lol

but its not its the combinations of elements even sneakered morphed mid high top of a classic moccasin construction and even the bi color combos with outer seam plus modular sole that make it not a everage chucka or moccasin.

its not first time with JWA like his hermes copy for one of his poplar bags 7 ish years ago and RTW happens allot with his own brand

But you're morphing a few different shoes to make this point. The Nikes with the split sole have a distinctive basket-weave that is nowhere present in the Dior shoe, while the Nikes without the split sole have a perforated suede vamp, which makes them look far less like a moccasin than the Dior. And the outer seam is in a different location on the Dior shoe—it doesn't run in a line from the back heel to the ankle, but starts closer to the front of the shoe. That's why the Dior looks more split in structure, with a distinctive back and front.

Anyhow, I think that's all beside the point. These are all elements that have been present in shoes for decades now (look at Twisted X, for example), with the Nike Considered shoes going back 20 years. Things are metabolized by fashion, and filter through public consciousness, over that sort of timespan. It's also a little rich for anyone to defend Nike from "eco-appropriation" when they've abandoned the principles involved in the Considered project, and are still known for their exploitative labour practices. You may as well defend Shein

 

[PDFSD]

mmmmm it kind of is though. there are similarities and im certainly not defending him, but calling it green washing is a bridge wayyyyyyyy too far.

how can it be greenwashing if 99% of the people seeing dior version don't know the nike version!!!!!! .

i just summarized elements which included also missed opportunity for doing something eco that's all.

 

[PDFSD]

But you're morphing a few different shoes to make this point. The Nikes with the split sole have a distinctive basket-weave that is nowhere present in the Dior shoe, while the Nikes without the split sole have a perforated suede vamp, which makes them look far less like a moccasin than the Dior. And the outer seam is in a different location on the Dior shoe—it doesn't run in a line from the back heel to the ankle, but starts closer to the front of the shoe. That's why the Dior looks more split in structure, with a distinctive back and front.

Anyhow, I think that's all beside the point. These are all elements that have been present in shoes for decades now (look at Twisted X, for example), with the Nike Considered shoes going back 20 years. Things are metabolized by fashion, and filter through public consciousness, over that sort of timespan. It's also a little rich for anyone to defend Nike from "eco-appropriation" when they've abandoned the principles involved in the Considered project, and are still known for their exploitative labour practices. You may as well defend Shein

we are going off the rails here bro!!!! i keep it simple once again.

i just took some pics from the nike series, you are intelligent enough to know which parts are inspiration for the dior one.

of course the seams are not 1:1 you do know how fashion inspiration works right ?

Things are metabolized by...... take a vintage piece and redo it , i have friends at studio even at dior men rtw and woman acc i even send it to one as a joke and the reply was : a smile

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