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Sophie Heawood: The ballad of Kate and Pete

What is it she sees in him, and we see in them? Just good clean filth

Published: 15 April 2007



There she goes again, this time leaning backwards out of a window like Rapunzel with a death wish, a *** superglued to her lips as her hair cascades down the wall in locks that would put Medusa's snakes to shame. Meanwhile, her lover is heaving into her chest, clearly inspired by Perseus as he tries to decapitate her with his guitar. Yet thanks to being permanently off his own head, he simultaneously looks as boggle-eyed and bemused as Billy Bunter trying to imagine a world without gobstoppers.
Ah yes, there's never a dull minute with Kate Moss and Pete Doherty, this time photographed late on Thursday night at the after-show party for his sold-out solo shows in Hackney. And the next morning a nation of newspaper readers salivates at the sight of yet more nonsense from the perfect antidote to Posh and Becks.
Since we got bored of the Beckhams with their self-denial - Victoria's suffering and shrinking becoming simply too painful to watch - Pete and Kate have proved the perfect opposite. This couple wants more of everything: harder, faster and filthier. And at the shows this week, they played to the crowd: their love was publicly declared as he dedicated a song to her, "my fiancée", before she joined him on stage to accompany him by singing on "La Belle et la Bête". ("Is she more beautiful than me?" goes her one line.)
The Daily Mail printed close-up shots of Doherty's spotty visage and drug-damaged nose, while describing Kate as "the soiled supermodel" - as though that were a bad thing! Soiled, as if her celebrity status was leaking. In an age of Supreme Makeovers and How Clean Is Your House?, of media hygiene neurosis, a good bit of dirt is exactly what we want to see. Now that Kate has finally given in and clinched the celebrity endorsement deals - a fashion range for Topshop and a perfume for Coty (all that product-testing must be what makes her nostrils look so wonky these days), her mystique has well and truly been sullied.
Yet the enduring media myth is the one that goes that we will never really understand Kate 'n' Pete, because La Moss is the mysterious celebrity who has never done interviews. Patently not true. What people forget is that Kate, like Charlotte Church and Britney Spears, started out as a child star, and learned about keeping shtum the hard way.
Discovered at 14 and a famous model by the age of 15, she did her first big interview with i-D magazine soon after, a few sheets to the wind and quite happy to reveal all about teenage habits of shoplifting and spliff smoking. When her agency, Storm, got wind of what she'd done, it is said that she was strongly discouraged from ever talking to the press again.
Except that she did - when living in New York with Johnny Depp - and again when she granted The Big Issue a special Christmas interview and said she didn't know that asylum-seekers who had children could still be deported. ("I should really know about these things," she muttered.)
There were a couple of others and, best of all, the live streaming on fashion website ShowStudio.com, where her fashionista mates got to interrogate her themselves.
In said video link-up, we learned that her favourite cheese was brie, that giving birth was one of the best days of her life. When asked if it was true that her nipples were like fighter pilots' thumbs, she told us that "you could hang two wet duffel coats off them, with two bottles of Irn Bru in the pockets". And this year, the April issue of Vogue contains an interview to promote her Topshop range, in which she reveals that she recently returned home to find 15 policemen outside her door. "And I came in with Lila and thought, 'what have I done now?'". (Nothing at all, it transpired - the police had simply been speaking to her neighbours about issuing possible Asbos against the paparazzi who spend every day blocking up their street.)
As for her beloved Pete, we know even more about him because he doesn't just take the tabloid's calls on his mobile, but rings them up himself to tell them what he and Kate are up to. "I can't buy her diamonds and my dick is too small," he once announced to The Sun, when asked the reason behind that week's break-up. Then, of course, there is their very public lust for each other.
They recently got chucked out of the NME awards for getting jiggy in public, something which surprised nobody in the music industry. I remember standing backstage in the BBC filming area at Glastonbury in 2005, with everybody much amused because Pete and Kate had just been spotted getting it on against a Portakabin, and in the process disturbing several music-loving weirdos who preferred, bizarrely, to watch the band.
So why do we even need to mythologise them, when they are so public, so tacky, so cheap? The fact is that we don't - what we're watching is them falling for their own mythologies, while we happily sit back and enjoy the car crash.
Kate's favourite author is F Scott Fitzgerald; her 30th birthday party was themed around his The Beautiful and Damned; while her favourite book is The Great Gatsby, in which bad things happen to the most beautiful socialites of the age. She even named her daughter Lila after the heroine of the French novel Lila Says, a lonely young girl who goes around asking the rough boys on her estate if they'd like to see her p***y, before plunging to her death from a window. Vertigo is not a fear of heights, but rather the desire to fall. And Kate Moss clearly suffers from a chronic case.
In addition she has always had a fascination for rock'n'roll bad boys. Apart from being best friends with Primal Scream's Bobby Gillespie, she is godmother to the sons of Paul Simonon from The Clash.
And as for Pete, oh, Pete reads Dostoyevsky. He got 11 grade A GCSEs, five of them starred! His father is a brutal army major who doesn't understand his sensitive literary lad. Pete doesn't live in this humdrum world but in Arcadia; he called his Babyshambles album Down in Albion. And he doesn't just take h***** like any run-of-the-mill junkie - why, he smokes o****, like good old Sherlock Holmes!
Let's face it, if he was a black man, with a child he can't look after, a history of c**** addiction, violence and a string of arrests, we wouldn't see him for dust - yet Pete is all of these things and ends up being interviewed by Kirsty Wark on Newsnight, talking about how that nice British Council once sent him on an educational trip to Russia. One judge admitted to being a fan of his music, before failing to bang him up yet again. With his "My William Blake hell", his belief in the fantasy that is Englishness, he has made himself prison-proof.
And it's that fantasy life of his that makes Kate want him all the more. She loves him because she's a sexually and economically powerful woman and yet the one thing her looks and money can't buy are his sanity and with it a secure pathway to his heart. "Sonny and Cher were in love!" she pouts, on a home video of the pair recently leaked to The Sun's website. (He claims he gave it to them with Kate's consent.) She is nagging him for the fantasy of a rock'n'roll love affair that lasts.
On film she kicks him while he remains lost in his guitar, not listening to a word she says. This is, after all, the man who once typed all the text messages from his phone on to his Babyshambles messageboard, including one from his former partner Lisa Moorish, saying how sad she was that Pete was missing the best years of seeing their toddler son, Astile, grow up. (You didn't get the impression he had bothered typing her a reply.) What do you give the woman who has everything? The answer, as Pete knows all too well, is nothing.
Yet members of Pete's band Babyshambles are said to have issued him an ultimatum of "her or us", as if she was the problem - like Yoko Ono being blamed for taking Lennon from the Beatles. Theirs is the myth of the woman as evil enchantress, and yet he's such a bad boy that we can't decide which of them is leading the other astray and why we remain captivated by this duo: because try as we might we can't work out which one is singing the siren song, and which one will end up on the rocks.


I cleaned it up a bit...
hope it's okay to post.
 
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Little Tiny said:
I LOVE Kate and always thought she was pretty smart but I can't understand how she could be with this guy,just looking at him-he has no love or respect for himself,so there is no way he could have any love or respect for her either.He's dragging her down with him and she's accepted this future for herself.I worry for her.....

It's love. :innocent: But I can understand what you're trying to say. It must be frustrating for Kate seeing her beloved boyfriend destroying himself so much.
 
xmodel citizen said:
Er, these aren't open sores?
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Hah, nasty! But, according to SiennaInLondon, those aren't open sores, eczema or any kind of skin imperfections, those are only due to being shot by hi-def cameras.
 
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Umm Zain said:
Hah, nasty! But, according to SiennaInLondon, those aren't open sores, eczema or any kind of skin imperfections, those are only due to being shot by hi-def cameras.

But what about those filthy finger nails!:yuk:
 
Ashcottmanor said:
But what about those filthy finger nails!:yuk:
:lol: Yes, those are really gross too. The first thing I thought of was, what about foreplay? Does he really use those fingers on Kate ~ eewww :yuk:.

Really though, I noticed he looks like he's smoking an unfiltered or roll your own cigarette, which will stain the fingers (among other things). Over the years, I've known LOTS of people, especially artist friends, who smoked those things and their fingers looked just like that no matter how many times they washed, but usually they were covered in paint too so you couldn't always see the tobacco stains.
 
To me it looks as if he's been picking his bloody nose and has dried blood in his fingers.
 
Umm Zain said:
:lol: Yes, those are really gross too. The first thing I thought of was, what about foreplay? Does he really use those fingers on Kate ~ eewww :yuk:.

Really though, I noticed he looks like he's smoking an unfiltered or roll your own cigarette, which will stain the fingers (among other things). Over the years, I've known LOTS of people, especially artist friends, who smoked those things and their fingers looked just like that no matter how many times they washed, but usually they were covered in paint too so you couldn't always see the tobacco stains.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering about Kate letting him touch her with those fingers too :sick:. But hey she doesn't seem to be very clean these days either so I would guess she doesn't mind.
 
Ok, i might be a little biased when it comes to Pete, but this is getting completely ridiculous. He might be very exotic for you americans with his open sores and dirty fingernails - i don't know - but if he was just a monster on the verge of death, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a musician, let's talk about music for once. Go b*tch in the Lindsay Lohan thread.
 
Dohertysgirl said:
...He might be very exotic for you americans with his open sores and dirty fingernails...
:rofl: Oh my God that was funny. As if we don't have our fair share of open sores and dirty fingernails in the States!!! :lol:

Here, there or anywhere, it's still, NASTY whether it be on a musician, artist, leatherworker, jewelry designer, mechanic, computer technician, corporate CEO, barrista or even the "monster on the verge of death"... Wash it off, make an effort, take some pride and clean it up a bit. God, Lila, poor thing, has to see that sh*t too.
 
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I can think of much more funny stuff about america, but let's stay on the topic. Open sores, is it?
 
Dohertysgirl said:
Ok, i might be a little biased when it comes to Pete, but this is getting completely ridiculous. He might be very exotic for you americans with his open sores and dirty fingernails - i don't know - but if he was just a monster on the verge of death, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a musician, let's talk about music for once. Go b*tch in the Lindsay Lohan thread.

haha ! :D
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Dohertysgirl said:
Ok, i might be a little biased when it comes to Pete, but this is getting completely ridiculous. He might be very exotic for you americans with his open sores and dirty fingernails - i don't know - but if he was just a monster on the verge of death, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a musician, let's talk about music for once. Go b*tch in the Lindsay Lohan thread.

If you're such a big fan, wouldn't you WANT him to be clean, healthy and obeying the law not wandering about with open sores getting busted for possession every two seconds? He's not a monster, he has a problem that millions of people in every country around the world suffer from. The point is, he either needs to make some sort of effort in his life or the media just needs to stop. But by splashing this crap all over the fronts of papers, they are knowingly or not glorifying this lifestyle and telling kids it's OK to do whatever you want, at any consequence, as long as you used to make good music or as long as you're rich and famous. Who cares if you hurt your loved ones and leave nothing but pain in your wake? Remember that one song you did, oooommmmmmmgggggggggg!!!!!!!! I read part of his mother's book, and wow, that was powerful stuff.

There's no point in defending or apologizing for this sort of reckless, ILLEGAL behavior. If you admire someone for their talents and see them living an unhealthy life, why not pray for them instead of trying to justify the unjustifiable. I remember that SiennaInLondon once said somewhere on this board that we're living in Sodom and Gomorrah and I have to agree.
 
I don't have any sympathy for Kate. She's a grown woman who is financially independent. She's not like some gf or wife unable to leave because the guy holds all the cards financially. Hell Kate's bank balance puts Pete's to shame - she is with him because she choses to me with him. I don't think she's so much better than him - I think she has the same problems & the same destructive behavior.

I think the fact that Pete always seems to get probation (oh that always does him good right?) whenever he gets arrested is a joke. The fact that Kate's career was hotter than ever afer she was arrested is a joke. Neither one of them are a good example of what not to do as they both seem to be doing quite well despite their problems behind closed doors.
 
xmodel citizen said:
If you're such a big fan, wouldn't you WANT him to be clean, healthy and obeying the law not wandering about with open sores getting busted for possession every two seconds? He's not a monster, he has a problem that millions of people in every country around the world suffer from. The point is, he either needs to make some sort of effort in his life or the media just needs to stop. But by splashing this crap all over the fronts of papers, they are knowingly or not glorifying this lifestyle and telling kids it's OK to do whatever you want, at any consequence, as long as you used to make good music or as long as you're rich and famous. Who cares if you hurt your loved ones and leave nothing but pain in your wake? Remember that one song you did, oooommmmmmmgggggggggg!!!!!!!! I read part of his mother's book, and wow, that was powerful stuff.

The point is, you - and I - have no idea if he is making an effort in beating his addictions, because we only know what the media reports; and I am sure you agree in that especially where I live they are not very reliable sources. People love him as a disaster. They show up at his gigs to see the wreck they are promised by the media, and they are disappointed when he is just playing his music. One of his latest gigs in Hackney Empire was named 'boring' because he only did what he was supposed to do, perform his songs and chat to his audience. Also, I don't understand how you - being so aware of the media and their glamourising and lying - are so sure about him refusing to make efforts, and about his abusive relationship. I read that book his mother wrote too, and I am sure it didn't mention anything about that.

xmodel citizen said:
There's no point in defending or apologizing for this sort of reckless, ILLEGAL behavior. If you admire someone for their talents and see them living an unhealthy life, why not pray for them instead of trying to justify the unjustifiable.

I am not defending him, and I am surely not apologising. I am just sick of reading about his open sores everytime I visit this thread.

xmodel citizen said:
I remember that SiennaInLondon once said somewhere on this board that we're living in Sodom and Gomorrah and I have to agree.

I know, she's very clever. :p
 
Dohertysgirl said:
The point is, you - and I - have no idea if he is making an effort in beating his addictions, because we only know what the media reports; and I am sure you agree in that especially where I live they are not very reliable sources. People love him as a disaster. They show up at his gigs to see the wreck they are promised by the media, and they are disappointed when he is just playing his music. One of his latest gigs in Hackney Empire was named 'boring' because he only did what he was supposed to do, perform his songs and chat to his audience. Also, I don't understand how you - being so aware of the media and their glamourising and lying - are so sure about him refusing to make efforts, and about his abusive relationship. I read that book his mother wrote too, and I am sure it didn't mention anything about that.

I agree that it's sick when people criticize him for not doing anything crazy or wild and simply doing his job. And I also agree about the media. The British tabloids are notorious for their viciousness and lies. When referring to his efforts or lack thereof, I am talking about his frequent arrests and quite frankly, his own admission. I just read a little blurb interview with him in Spin Magazine and all he talked about was, surprise surprise, drugs and women. If he has made any true efforts it's only been recently as he announced in court a few days ago that his friends and loved ones had given him an ultimatum. But of course, just a week ago Kate Moss was hanging out of a window. I think his issues are fact because I'll at least give him that he's honest and doesn't try to BS and play with the media. He's quite open about his problems, and often not wanting to end them. In his own words: "I always stumble back on it sooner or later, even if it's for half an hour a day."

And as for the open sores, as long as they exist and the paps continue to take detailed shots of them, people will talk. Same with the problems. Unless he disappears tomorrow, people will see the photos and talk. You can't stop that and it's understandable to be shocked or just plain grossed out by these images. If anything, it will at least discourage some people!
 
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xmodel citizen said:
I just read a little blurb interview with him in Spin Magazine and all he talked about was, surprise surprise, drugs and women.

Can't wait to read that, usually he only talks about boring stuff like his music, his visions and the literature he prefers. :innocent:
 

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