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[ultramarine]

Originally posted by ignitioned32@Dec 2nd, 2003 - 3:54 am
You guys are sooo right!

Here the social climbers (new money) and wanna-be fashionistas (who apparently don't know much about fashion) look hilarious. All perdictable Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Prada and Cavalli and some local Philippines designers looks are always seen on them. Think Suzanne Saperstein in her VF editorial. Tacky and Gaudy are two adjectives to describe 'em, too.

But some rich women (old money) dress in simple - but desinger lables - and look great. They do these because they wanna look great and don't need to prove anything to people.

My exact-same thoughts ...
nouveau-riche = flashy labelistas
old money = subdued -think demure/sober- style

And about me, I've got a fetish for Benetton ..it's not expensive (though the stores in here are raising the prices on the jeans incredibly .. some are $150!!!) ..but it's quality, and it fits me perfectly and yes ...in most pieces you'll be a walking add ..but I dont care ..it's part of my style ... too many people see me as the Benetton guy (the question's if that's good or not?!!!)

 

[kellygirl]

i'd rather wear a Hanes little-boy plain white tee with a great pair of trousers than a J'Adore shirt. Understated is so much more confident, classy.

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by kellygirl@Dec 5th, 2003 - 8:45 pm
i'd rather wear a Hanes little-boy plain white tee with a great pair of trousers than a J'Adore shirt. Understated is so much more confident, classy.

absolutely

hello and welcome to FS kellygirl

 

[Oria]

Originally posted by kellygirl@Dec 5th, 2003 - 12:45 pm
i'd rather wear a Hanes little-boy plain white tee with a great pair of trousers than a J'Adore shirt. Understated is so much more confident, classy.

i couldn't agree more. i had another message ready to type but you said it all.

 

[mikeijames]

Originally posted by kellygirl@Dec 5th, 2003 - 12:45 pm
i'd rather wear a Hanes little-boy plain white tee with a great pair of trousers than a J'Adore shirt. Understated is so much more confident, classy.

i hear you, but not to drop names, but i don't know anyone who does the distressed white tee like helmut lang...i wear them all the time, yet no one would know...am i a nouveau-riche, social climber just because i wear helmut lang instead of hanes!? hardly...it's just sometimes the things i like happen to come from a major house.

are you saying that a truly rich person wears HANES to avoid being mistaken for nouveau...that's ludicrous!

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by mikeijames@Dec 5th, 2003 - 11:05 pm
...am i a nouveau-riche, social climber just because i wear helmut lang instead of hanes!? hardly...it's just sometimes the things i like happen to come from a major house.

are you saying that a truly rich person wears HANES to avoid being mistaken for nouveau...that's ludicrous!

no, of course not, you are not nouveau rich for wearing HL, since there is no LOGO all over it (and HL does not DO logos) so relax, you are fine

btw, i dont think that anyone here said

that a truly rich person wears HANES to avoid being mistaken for nouveau...

 

[PrinceOfCats]

I'm sorry but do you people not think this is all a bit irellevant? You wear clothes to be beautiful or perhaps make a statement about you as a person...you're social class is irrelevant.

Most big money is earned by exploitation. In his own way Bill Gates is every bit as ruthless with his opposition as Al Capone was with his. Is that a good advertisment for your personality? 'I'm nouveau riche - I made money by underpaying my employees and using third-world workers'/'I'm old rich - my grandad monopolised coal/diamonds/drugs...'

 

[Lena]

fashion is communicating a social statement as a fact .
regardless of nouveaux riche or non rich at all we constantly and usually
subconsiously communicate and express ourselves and our personality
through what we choose to wear, every single day.

its only human to want to climb the social lader by obtaining and adapting
status symbols of a "higher" class, hence secretaries starve in order to
get a LV bag, etc etc. Sientifically called conspicious consumption,
this remains a basis of the capitalism system of offer and consumption.
Take a look at those credit cards, we spent more on items we should not
really afford, its the same thing. We adore the idea of a touch
of the 'rich & famous'. Lux label items can offer one illusions of grandeur.

Its normal, its the basis of the bourgoisie mentality.
Historically, this 'fashion' related attitude has been going on since the French Revolution. Until then, it was prohibited by law to dress even remotely
unlike your social statue. Following the Revolution, all maids started saving for a
'upper class' dress, which they wore on their days off. I dont see anything wrong
at that, its human nature .

 

[marc jacobs addict]

Originally posted by kellygirl@Dec 5th, 2003 - 12:45 pm
i'd rather wear a Hanes little-boy plain white tee with a great pair of trousers than a J'Adore shirt. Understated is so much more confident, classy.

absolutely

 

[southerncutie]

I'm not really into labels, but I am buying one of those I Adore Dior shirts (the one with Eloise) because I think they are cute. The thing is, down here by New Orleans, no one has that kind of stuff. If they do, they wear it subdued. I'll probably wear the shirt with jeans and flip-flops with a jacket. The thing is, families here that are very rich tend to show it off- including my mom, who is a teacher (my dad provides the real money) and now she's becoming subdued. She carries a LV to school... I'm not trying to show off by ordering the shirt, it's just that I love Eloise and Dior... it's just something no one else will have! Should I get it?

 

[leyla m.]

Originally posted by southerncutie@Dec 6th, 2003 - 12:31 am
I'm not really into labels, but I am buying one of those I Adore Dior shirts (the one with Eloise) because I think they are cute. The thing is, down here by New Orleans, no one has that kind of stuff. If they do, they wear it subdued. I'll probably wear the shirt with jeans and flip-flops with a jacket. The thing is, families here that are very rich tend to show it off- including my mom, who is a teacher (my dad provides the real money) and now she's becoming subdued. She carries a LV to school... I'm not trying to show off by ordering the shirt, it's just that I love Eloise and Dior... it's just something no one else will have! Should I get it?

you should get what YOU like . if it is not overdone in your area, then why not.?

in england (london, manchester, etc) that tee shirt is worn by every single girl who wants to be cool. she is def not rich, just saved up for that tee a long time. same goes for that LV accessories pochette. it is the same phenomenon. cheaper designer wear for those who want to feel the luxury life (as LENA said; it is a certain feel of satisfaction) and can afford it.

but, even i would get that tee, if i really wanted it.
the whole issue is; whether you buy something because YOU like it or because its a phenomenon of CONSUMER BEHAVIOUR!

i would say its a mixture of both for most of us B)

 

[ultramarine]

Originally posted by mikeijames@Dec 5th, 2003 - 3:05 pm
...am i a nouveau-riche, social climber just because i wear helmut lang instead of hanes!? hardly...it's just sometimes the things i like happen to come from a major house.

are you saying that a truly rich person wears HANES to avoid being mistaken for nouveau...that's ludicrous!

Lang is not flashy, at all

 

[southerncutie]

I think I am going to buy the dior shirt... no one around here has it, and with a good ole pair of Levi's.. it's look fab! Of course, with a jacket and a subdued black purse, of course!

 

[LadyIllusion]

A true diehard Dior addict and accessory lover (Bags/shoes) I have a few label pieces in my wardrobe such as a couple of Dior logo tops and i also have a few pieces by Prada one with just the red prade at the side of the shirt and one without. I dont feel that because my bags and some of my tops have the Dior/Fendi logo on them that, that makes me a victim.

I believe how you wear your clothes (and logo pieces) makes a hell of a difference. Style is about personal likes/dislikes and as an Image Consultant by profession (stylist) and i KNOW that I MAKE THE CLOTHES LOOK GOOD and not the other way around, and that is regardless of what i wear. Besides who said that we should take it so seriously anyway! Fashion is there to play around with, so y'all should relax and enjoy what is beautifully created.

 

[banana]

Originally posted by Lena@Dec 1st, 2003 - 4:54 pm
labels can provide a certain upper class 'buzz' for the middle class consumer, which i find quite pathetic to be honest with you, I pitty the poor secretary that saves for six months in order to squeeze in a waiting list for the new 'it' bag, makes me sad when women overload their credit cards for the fake lustre of those 'lux' items

fact is that real 'upper' class people do not care at all for wearing 'lux' labels, on the contrary they avoid them while looking out for the 'unusual' or the 'unique' that nobody else owns.

That is the main reason why I dislike the whole label frenzy. It makes people of lower incomes (or those who have money but don't really care too much about expensive clothes) feel less of a person for not having a $600 LV handbag. I couldn't imagine being in a situation where I would feel embarassed showing up at a party in a dress that wasn't by some expensive designer. I don't understand why people would want to be around those who will judge you by whatever label is on your shirt. What a fake lifestyle to live.

 

[BabyJ]

I am the furthest thing you can find from a label wh*re. I honestly don't care what name is written on the tag in the back of my shirt, skirt, jeans and so forth.
I perfer to wear something that is comfortable as opposed to wearing a certain label.

My closet is mix matches of labels that you have all heard of as well as labels I'm sure no one has heard of to just plain clothes that you can buy anywhere. I have seen some pieces that cost about 150$ that I can find in another store for 30$ and I find the cheaper one is made of better quality. This isn't always the case, but it does happen.

There comes a certain time when you just have to stop and think about if you want to spend your money on the name of what you are buying. Let's be realistic, why is there a sudden high demand for LV bags? Don't tell me its because everyone is sooooooooooooooo fond of the monogram LV. Most people buy that bag now because it has become a social status/symbol. If you carry a LV you have money.....are people supposed to see you with this bag and assume that you are rich? Most people carrying these bags probably skipped lunch for 3 months to be able to save enough to carry the smallest/cheapest LV bag.

Its like going out to eat at a steak house. You can go to Outback SteakHouse and pay 16.99$ for a steak, or you can go to a place like Gibby's and pay 39.99$ for that same steak. You are no longer paying for the slab of meat that comes on your plate, but you are paying for the name of the establishment that you are eating at.

If you want to be ruled by labels and names, me gia kai xara (can't think of the english translation). There is nothing wrong with owning labels as long as its really the article of clothing you like and not the name that comes with the article of clothing.

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by BabyJ@Dec 7th, 2003 - 11:32 pm
Most people carrying these bags probably skipped lunch for 3 months to be able to save enough to carry the smallest/cheapest LV bag.

so true so very true

 

[Acid]

Originally posted by Lena+Dec 7th, 2003 - 8:40 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lena @ Dec 7th, 2003 - 8:40 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-BabyJ@Dec 7th, 2003 - 11:32 pm
Most people carrying these bags probably skipped lunch for 3 months to be able to save enough to carry the smallest/cheapest LV bag.

so true so very true [/b][/quote]
yup i see these women everyday......its so so easy to spot a fake sloane ranger here in london

no gucci, ysl, cavalli for me me dont like loud clothes
just little luxuries like hermes and helmut lang

 

[tiffany]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Nov 30th, 2003 - 8:44 am
Labelling products is as old as economy itself. I think Prada, Dior &c. have every right to put a visible label on their clothing. It's when the label is the focal point that I worry. Formal clothing shouldn't be labelled either, the quality should speak for itself.

I agree - I don't mind labels but it saddens me when people buy clothing simply for the label

as such Id only buy clothing if I liked the design, whether or not the person/company who happened to design it was well known. I would never buy a pair of jeans for the tommy logo on the side, though.

I've known people who have done that and its depressing

 

[trean]

I wear what I feel like wearing,it can be Margiela today & Prada tomorrow