MDC (Models.com) Rankings

[congacon]

dude, dont count freja out yet. its pretty much an open race between anja, freja, joan and karlie. at this point we have to wait for the next season to take shape by then we can judge who should be on top.

at this moment freja still has the strongest resume for the top position. even freja has lost that chanel contract, still if she able to land on a few blue chip campaigns as only girl, she will definitely secures that top spot. she doesnt need to have a strongest campaign season out of all girl to secure that spot. all she needs is a decent one bc her previous works will be counted toward that number one ranking.

 

[Riseup]

Freja will be number one, she's been the one with the strongest campaign and cover resume for the pàst 2 years:

Campaigns ( Balenciaga, Vuitton, Valentino, Chanel, Roberto Cavalli, Gucci, H&M, Isabel Marant, Karl Lagerfeld, Max Mara, Harry Winston, Tom Ford...)

Covers and eds (Vogue Italia, Vogue Paris, Vogue U.S, Vogue UK, Vogue Korea, Vogue Germany, Vogue Brazil, Vogue Japan, V, VMan, Vogue China, W, I-D, Numero Homme, POP, Purple, Allure, Numero, Interview, W Korea, Harpers Bazar..and so on)

at this point, she's the one to beat.

 

[franki]

^^ whilst i do agree she HAS been the strongest in the past 2 years, i agree with everyone else who says that this coming campaign season will determine number 1. what happened 2 years ago would be relevant in discussing if she should have been made number one 1-1.5 years ago.

and also just to clarify, freja didn't have a chanel contract. yes, she was a favourite of karl and was used repeatedly in campaigns. but being a fav and being on a lucrative contract is the biggest distinguishing feature that separates number 1s from everyone else.

 

[alonsoJonathan]

what about if,Abbey,Constace,Saskia n 2/3 icons are the main girls of the upcoming season??

then what would happen

love this

 

[franki]

^ abbey for number 1. woooo! hahaha.

 

[Lee MG Tisci]

i agree with congacon and Riseup!
Freja is still the strongest option, not getting Chanel again doesn't mean that her career will go downhill.. it didn't happen to Sasha/Prada or Natasha/Gucci so probably it won't happen to her neither
Karlie is kinda stuck, she's regularly in US and UK Vogue but no covers and about campaigns she already lost DK, she's uncertain in Dior without Galliano (there was no F/W 11 and she wasn't in Cruise) and ODLR isn't really that major so i don't think she has a chance really

it's between Joan and Freja, the latter has the advantage of having a longer career and Joan is on the rise so she could be no.1 after Freja..

and here is something interesting i saw in nymag.com: What’s the Ultimate Job a Model Can Book These Days?
.

 

[Lee MG Tisci]

a few updates in the men's list

Casey Taylor debuted(?) at 39
Vladimir Ivanov is out
Sid Ellisdon moved from 39 to 42
Daisuke Ueda moved from 42 to 44
Zhao Lei moved from 44 to 45
.

 

[balmain1914]

In Iconi list, Malgosia Belma's position is kind of weird to me...Iselin Steiro has similar career ( Vogue Paris regular model, few big name ads per season ) but she is still put at #7 in top50. As I said, the MDC is a ******** website that acts like a professional.

 

[balmain1914]

a few updates in the men's list

Casey Taylor debuted(?) at 39
Vladimir Ivanov is out
Sid Ellisdon moved from 39 to 42
Daisuke Ueda moved from 42 to 44
Zhao Lei moved from 44 to 45
.

LORD. It's really tough for Asian male models to get into business even they've already got a tough body.

 

[Lee MG Tisci]

^^ you think Iselin should be in the Top Icons?
Malgosia's career is much longer though, she's from Mariacarla's generation and Iselin is from Sasha's generation..
please someone correct me if i'm wrong!
.

 

[agee]

and also just to clarify, freja didn't have a chanel contract. yes, she was a favourite of karl and was used repeatedly in campaigns. but being a fav and being on a lucrative contract is the biggest distinguishing feature that separates number 1s from everyone else.

That may be the case but IMO it should not be the case (or at least not the be all-end all), but actually it is not the case because if it was then Valentina Zelyaeva would be on the Women's List. Awarding a contract is a way that some design houses choose to do business but other design houses go a different route, it is as simple as that. I don't think that a model with a contract that covers four season is above a non-contract model who books a campaign with the same designer for four seasons, other things have to be taken into account. IMO a fashion contract is mostly a convenient way of knowing that the model will likely book at least one high profile gig for the next year or two, so yeah it makes sense for MDC to take this into account because it is a predictor, but that does not mean that the model will have the best career for the duration of her contract.

From a retrospective standpoint, there is nothing substantively different than Lara, Karlie, Freja, Joan or Mariacarla's multi-season campaigns with their labels simply because Lara had a contract. My points system would be:
* Lara and Karlie would get points for their campaigns being OG;
* Freja would get points for the number of seasons that she was the in mainline campaign, I think that it was a seven or eight season run;
* Lara, Karlie and Joan would get points for what I presume to be their generous pay for the campaigns;
* Karlie and Joan would get points for (my anecdotal observation that) their ads ran in more magazines and in prominent places;
* Freja and then Karlie and then Joan and Lara in a tie would get points for the prestige of the labels.

From a prospective standpoint, I think that at the time Raquel was moved to the icons list, the contenders would have been Anja, Lara, Natasha (my choice at the time) and maybe Sasha, and given those choices, I could see why Lara's impending Calvin Klein contract would be the deciding factor in her getting the top spot, and IMO history has proven that that was the right choice and she has also proven to be deserving based on her impact in the industry and on culture, now I personally think that she has been in the top spot for too long, as was Raquel, but Lara was definitely the right choice at that time to be number one.

 

[franki]

^ i was simply correcting the original poster, because whilst they may have just typed it wrong, there are some people who probably aren't aware of the difference between being a regular, and being on a contract. i don't think it means they will be successful in all other aspects of their career, i simply mean if all other things are equal, a contract would put a model at no.1 over the other. sorry if i didn't make that clear

also, i'm not saying that i think it should be a factor, or that it is any less impressive to book the same campaign season after season without a contract, i just mean that to MDC that is a point of difference. if freja had a 2 year chanel contract (pretend that chanel operate in this way), i personally think it would be viewed as a whole new league to MDC.

also, for another question: is booking a campaign for client A 4 seasons in a row with no contract any more impressive than booking campaigns for clients B C D and E each different season (if they are all of equal prestige)? i wonder how MDC view it? i don't have a personal view on which is more impressive to me, just curious..

 

[valliaddict]

MDC likes for the the #1 to have a contract because it guarentees them something big. If a model is winging it season by season, then they will never know what to expect. I mean, who would've expected Natasha to tank during the Spring 2010 campaigns? Before that, she was definitely in the running for the #1 spot, but she never got back to her glory days from 2008-2009. Does anyone actually think Freja will maintain her current level without Chanel? I see Freja possibly mirroring the same success of Natasha. I think MDC knows that if they put Freja at #1, she won't look very deserving a year from now. Joan & Karlie will probably bag more campaigns in the future than Freja will.

 

[Forrest]

i agree with congacon and Riseup!
Freja is still the strongest option, not getting Chanel again doesn't mean that her career will go downhill.. it didn't happen to Sasha/Prada or Natasha/Gucci so probably it won't happen to her neither
Karlie is kinda stuck, she's regularly in US and UK Vogue but no covers and about campaigns she already lost DK, she's uncertain in Dior without Galliano (there was no F/W 11 and she wasn't in Cruise) and ODLR isn't really that major so i don't think she has a chance really

it's between Joan and Freja, the latter has the advantage of having a longer career and Joan is on the rise so she could be no.1 after Freja..

and here is something interesting i saw in nymag.com: What’s the Ultimate Job a Model Can Book These Days?
.

I disagree about Karlie.
She got just as good papers for the #1 then Freja and Joan have.
Karlie still got a Lola parfume contract by Marc Jacobs, features in a parfume and make up add for Dior, she is back in the cruise s/s 12 campaign for DK. Then again seen her history with other clients that booked her in the past, it's not that only on ODLR, Dior, DK booked her. So open chances for her.
At least Karlie has been a couple times OG in Dior and ODLR and more campaigns (hermes, Alexander McQueen Pringle), which can't be said from Joan.


Freja, it depends on what she gets. I really don't think she got any better papers now she lost Chanel. Sure she can get other blue chip campaigns, but last season it was only Chanel and Isabel Marant. She slowed down in campaigns and work every season. Then Freja doesn't have a big fat contract and only one fragance add which isn't even a contract.

You said the names Sasha and Nastasha that after they lost prada/gucci their careers didn't go downhill, i don't think Freja will go downhill either, but Sasha and Nastasha never made it #1. And I think that Freja will walk a simmilar path. Still doing great, but not the number 1.

Joan: Karlie doesn't have many covers but Joan has even less covers and was never the OG of campaign!!! But with a EL contract and a confirmed Chanel campaign, she is at least one of the 3 that we know is in the right direction atm.

 

[agee]

^ i was simply correcting the original poster, because whilst they may have just typed it wrong, there are some people who probably aren't aware of the difference between being a regular, and being on a contract. i don't think it means they will be successful in all other aspects of their career, i simply mean if all other things are equal, a contract would put a model at no.1 over the other. sorry if i didn't make that clear

also, i'm not saying that i think it should be a factor, or that it is any less impressive to book the same campaign season after season without a contract, i just mean that to MDC that is a point of difference. if freja had a 2 year chanel contract (pretend that chanel operate in this way), i personally think it would be viewed as a whole new league to MDC.

I hear you and agree with most of your points, I was just commenting on why it should not be the be all-end all, and to be honest I don't think that it has really been that way at MDC over the years, but it is being analyzed that way because it is the most tangible thing that distinguishes the current No. 1. I also see why they do it because, as I mentioned before, going with a contract model has predictive power, so in conclusion it is a safety thing.

It is really difficult to make sense of the list because of the contradictions like Valentina, who has a contract with Ralph Lauren, not being on the list. I don't mean this pejoratively, but I think that there are backroom politics involving agencies and perhaps certain brands that also influence the list.

also, for another question: is booking a campaign for client A 4 seasons in a row with no contract any more impressive than booking campaigns for clients B C D and E each different season (if they are all of equal prestige)? i wonder how MDC view it? i don't have a personal view on which is more impressive to me, just curious..

I think that they will make the decision of who they want and then justify it on the back end. If they want the girl who books the same client over and over then being a muse and loyalty will be the spin, if it is the girl with the different clients, then industry support and chameleon qualities (if that applies) will be the spin.

 

[fantastical]

dude, dont count freja out yet. its pretty much an open race between anja, freja, joan and karlie. at this point we have to wait for the next season to take shape by then we can judge who should be on top.

at this moment freja still has the strongest resume for the top position. even freja has lost that chanel contract, still if she able to land on a few blue chip campaigns as only girl, she will definitely secures that top spot. she doesnt need to have a strongest campaign season out of all girl to secure that spot. all she needs is a decent one bc her previous works will be counted toward that number one ranking.

I don't think Natasha should be counted out yet either. You all keep making these lists as if the top five is going to drop off the planet in the next season and make way for all these relative new girls. In my opinion a model shouldn't be moved to the Icon list until she has been in the industry at a very high level. All the models currently in the Icons list have been modeling for at least 12-15 years. I don't really see where girls like Lara, Sasha, Natasha, Freja, or Anja could be moved there yet.

that said, with the stellar and very exclusive runway list that Natasha had this past season, if she can turn those into booking those major campaigns and more covers like in 2010, I think she could take the No. 1 spot. That is, if Lara's CK contract ends next season and she doesn't continue getting blue chip campaigns and covers herself.

Joan and Karlie, and these other models you have named are great and are definitely proving themselves, but I really don't see them as the next top spots any time soon.

 

[Rich10]

sometimes the list is not really accurate. some of models on the list doesn't even deserve to be there.

a few updates in the men's list

Casey Taylor debuted(?) at 39
Vladimir Ivanov is out
Sid Ellisdon moved from 39 to 42
Daisuke Ueda moved from 42 to 44
Zhao Lei moved from 44 to 45
.

casey taylor should have been there back in 2006 and 2007-2008. Hail to the king of runway!

 

[Forrest]

I don't think Natasha should be counted out yet either. You all keep making these lists as if the top five is going to drop off the planet in the next season and make way for all these relative new girls. In my opinion a model shouldn't be moved to the Icon list until she has been in the industry at a very high level. All the models currently in the Icons list have been modeling for at least 12-15 years. I don't really see where girls like Lara, Sasha, Natasha, Freja, or Anja could be moved there yet.

that said, with the stellar and very exclusive runway list that Natasha had this past season, if she can turn those into booking those major campaigns and more covers like in 2010, I think she could take the No. 1 spot. That is, if Lara's CK contract ends next season and she doesn't continue getting blue chip campaigns and covers herself.

Joan and Karlie, and these other models you have named are great and are definitely proving themselves, but I really don't see them as the next top spots any time soon.

That's not completly true. Sure it counts for the "older" generation like Kate, Stella etc. They are much longer in the industry, but how long where they on the models ranking before they got moved??
But certainly not for Daria (january 2004 began her big break), Natalia (febr.2003), Raquel (nov 2004). And even less if you think about that they are all at least two years in the icons list.

Lara (march 2005) and Natasha (may 2004), sure their big break became maybe later then the others, but others are also few years earlier removed to the icons.

The dates are when the thread at tfs are started. That usually is quite similar at the time they first walk etc.

 

[balmain1914]

^^ you think Iselin should be in the Top Icons?
Malgosia's career is much longer though, she's from Mariacarla's generation and Iselin is from Sasha's generation..
please someone correct me if i'm wrong!
.

No, I am not saying Iselin should be an icon...I just say these 2 ladies have similar situation now.

 

[Forrest]

ETA: I correct myself for Raquel, app. she didn't have a thread until 2004, while she was walking in 2000/2001 already.
And then I come to a 10/11 years career with the last two years in the icons.
Also Natalia was in 2001 active. But then again, she was also a few years earlier removed, while Lara, Natasha a few years later got their break and still are in the top ranking.

Don't forget that all the models are also longer in the industry. Lara started modeling in 1999, but came in the picture in 2005.

But: what to think about to add Bregje Heinen to the sexy list? With Marloes Horst ofcourse?!

And what about Melissa T in the models ranking?!?