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Michael Rider - Designer, Creative Director of Celine

That peacoat is cute too...
But seeing Dior and Celine IGs side by side today, I would say there is a risk of confusion between the two brands for the less attentive viewers/customers.
oh no i hate the coat in a post hedi celine setting its giving anthony YSL for man vibes

i can see the Dior versus Celine mens over lap both have a euro preppy boy as base
but i think new dior is more toy store design sauce on top and Celine now is more a nostalgia soup in a gilded french interior

one sparks joy and pretends to be young while the other is pretending to be 100 years old house with deep history
 
But seeing Dior and Celine IGs side by side today, I would say there is a risk of confusion between the two brands for the less attentive viewers/customers.

I agree it feels like this Neo-Americana/prep aesthetic seems on its way out so LVMH tripling down on it with no clear boundaries is exhausting, but maybe not unprofitable. Kim’s Dior and LV men’s chased after the same exact late streetwear customer and I guess it worked.
 
The thing is that, with Hedi leaving, things are inevitable going to change. So for that, a Hedi fan can be mad but it’s inevitable. Even if the current direction aligns with Hedi’s principles, it was going to change anyway.

The collection is not designed by him so I’m puzzled by the criticism because it’s not possible to apply his standards while he is absent.

But the comparison between The Row and Hermes doesn’t work for me because we are comparing two brands that are fairly different. And I think the branding factor matter the most.

I just think that if we exclude the Hedi fans, a regular customer at Celine couldn’t be shocked by this transition period.

It’s the same at Tom Ford. Thins changed drastically when Peter Hawkings and when the studio took over. I can recognize that because I followed Tom’s work. The cut on the jackets is different even though they have maintained the large lapels. Even the design of the heels is different.

But for the average Tom Ford customer, there are still suits, glamour sunglasses and column dresses in stores. So the customer of the brand is not shocked.

That was my point.

I don’t get the argument from his fans because, he left!
It happened during the Dior Homme or Saint Laurent days. I think for example a fan would rather look at what from Hedi’s time will be maintained at Celine. At Saint Laurent they kept the permanent collection for a long time. The same at Dior.
I am sure if one is a Hedi fan (knowing of his existence) would not shop there either post his last collection being in store.

But to be fair its a morning moment it's fair to see something you love or like change into something you don't love and have feelings of disappointment and fanaticism its like your fav soccer player or club or racer leaving or doing something in a race or game you get worked up.

I just feel if there is a group of fans one can expect fan behavior for the less invested groups of course its less of an issue or most won't even notice.

The Hermes and The Row was on the fly a way to role play to explain: for someone that is not a fan of Hermes having someone tell them that the Row is basically the same based of some points that are not detailed.

And as i know :-) that you do know :-) the difference between a Hermes bag and The Row ...was the point of that role play, as it would be for a Hedi fan knowing the details of change at celine now matter greatly as you can list the difference between Hermes and The Row .

I think Tom Ford client are far less invested there are far less Tom Ford die hards, like a Hedi Die hard fan you know what i mean .
so the changes at a brand are less of importance. (i think early TF gucci days had more die hard fans )
I feel hedi fans are Rick Owens fans they can see which cut was from what season that's the level of invested i mean in regard to Hedi Fans.

I can't speak for Hedi fans or any die hard fans but for me being a general fan of some designers - Hedi included i can understand the disappointment same as NG at LV i can't love it now anymore but i will stand on an island and defend his old balenciaga days or Azedine the original versus now , or old Helmut lang versus all the trash that came after etc its principal of an design quality and execution as a fan that is the debate i feel.

logic in fanatic does not exist as logic does not exist for luxury prices as we discussed in the Dior thread

love you push me always to explain better or maybe its more confusing now but i tried :-)
 

i feel the wrapping is on brand for michael rider obsession with layering and nomadic and oversizes, new age cocooning zen vibes like he has been dressing for all these years as mentioned since he got appointed :-)

i hate the font used for the text in the video :-( its giving current Calvin Klein collection vibes
 
I am sure if one is a Hedi fan (knowing of his existence) would not shop there either post his last collection being in store.

But to be fair its a morning moment it's fair to see something you love or like change into something you don't love and have feelings of disappointment and fanaticism its like your fav soccer player or club or racer leaving or doing something in a race or game you get worked up.

I just feel if there is a group of fans one can expect fan behavior for the less invested groups of course its less of an issue or most won't even notice.

The Hermes and The Row was on the fly a way to role play to explain: for someone that is not a fan of Hermes having someone tell them that the Row is basically the same based of some points that are not detailed.

And as i know :-) that you do know :-) the difference between a Hermes bag and The Row ...was the point of that role play, as it would be for a Hedi fan knowing the details of change at celine now matter greatly as you can list the difference between Hermes and The Row .

I think Tom Ford client are far less invested there are far less Tom Ford die hards, like a Hedi Die hard fan you know what i mean .
so the changes at a brand are less of importance. (i think early TF gucci days had more die hard fans )
I feel hedi fans are Rick Owens fans they can see which cut was from what season that's the level of invested i mean in regard to Hedi Fans.

I can't speak for Hedi fans or any die hard fans but for me being a general fan of some designers - Hedi included i can understand the disappointment same as NG at LV i can't love it now anymore but i will stand on an island and defend his old balenciaga days or Azedine the original versus now , or old Helmut lang versus all the trash that came after etc its principal of an design quality and execution as a fan that is the debate i feel.

logic in fanatic does not exist as logic does not exist for luxury prices as we discussed in the Dior thread

love you push me always to explain better or maybe its more confusing now but i tried :-)
Vocal Hedi fans online (myself excluded) are also disproportionately teenagers. Probably more so than most designers.

That's one reason there's such a massive resale market for Hedi's Dior and SLP. Young fans are following his current work but don't have the money to buy retail so they go for secondhand. And then 15 years later when they might have the money to buy retail, Hedi is back at it and the now grown customer's baseline for what makes a good cut has already been influenced by Hedi's earlier work.
 
Vocal Hedi fans online (myself excluded) are also disproportionately teenagers. Probably more so than most designers.

That's one reason there's such a massive resale market for Hedi's Dior and SLP. Young fans are following his current work but don't have the money to buy retail so they go for secondhand. And then 15 years later when they might have the money to buy retail, Hedi is back at it and the now grown customer's baseline for what makes a good cut has already been influenced by Hedi's earlier work.
did understand the last part :
Hedi is back at it and the now grown customer's baseline for what makes a good cut has already been influenced by Hedi's earlier work.
 
I’ve been a Hedi fan since his YSL Rive Gauche days, a casual customer during his Dior Homme and a full customer since Saint Laurent but wow; some of you should become full Wattpad writers or try to apply as a Creative Director for LVMH/Kering because these fictional stories are just… :rofl:
 
Always funny some of you Brüno Gehard´s come on a forum, to then be pressed because people are discussing peacefully and with respect something your fanatically, casually, fully have a interest in .....

:rofl:
 
I am sure if one is a Hedi fan (knowing of his existence) would not shop there either post his last collection being in store.

But to be fair its a morning moment it's fair to see something you love or like change into something you don't love and have feelings of disappointment and fanaticism its like your fav soccer player or club or racer leaving or doing something in a race or game you get worked up.

I just feel if there is a group of fans one can expect fan behavior for the less invested groups of course its less of an issue or most won't even notice.

The Hermes and The Row was on the fly a way to role play to explain: for someone that is not a fan of Hermes having someone tell them that the Row is basically the same based of some points that are not detailed.

And as i know :-) that you do know :-) the difference between a Hermes bag and The Row ...was the point of that role play, as it would be for a Hedi fan knowing the details of change at celine now matter greatly as you can list the difference between Hermes and The Row .

I think Tom Ford client are far less invested there are far less Tom Ford die hards, like a Hedi Die hard fan you know what i mean .
so the changes at a brand are less of importance. (i think early TF gucci days had more die hard fans )
I feel hedi fans are Rick Owens fans they can see which cut was from what season that's the level of invested i mean in regard to Hedi Fans.

I can't speak for Hedi fans or any die hard fans but for me being a general fan of some designers - Hedi included i can understand the disappointment same as NG at LV i can't love it now anymore but i will stand on an island and defend his old balenciaga days or Azedine the original versus now , or old Helmut lang versus all the trash that came after etc its principal of an design quality and execution as a fan that is the debate i feel.

logic in fanatic does not exist as logic does not exist for luxury prices as we discussed in the Dior thread

love you push me always to explain better or maybe its more confusing now but i tried :-)
A pleasure to read ☺️

I think for me, when a designer change at a brand, what is always the most important for me regarding the brand is that somehow, some of the integrity of the brand is preserved as it also affect the cachet of that said brand.

I think loving fashion is a global thing so things like creative direction, font, packaging and things do have an importance.

I love designers but I also only follow designers. But I think it’s also healthy to let go but to maintain the concern for the integrity of the brand.

I think JWA and M/M did a fantastic job with Loewe. I’m not sure I would buy anything from the PS guys but I would hate for Loewe to change too drastically.

For me Balenciaga by NG was the ultimate brand at some point. It was nearly perfect. I love Nicolas’s clothes so I buy his Vuitton but his work cannot have the same impact as it had when he was in charge of the stores or the font on the tags of the garments. I’m sad to see what Balenciaga have become even though I can respect the work of Demna.

Lanvin was a fabulous brand and when you see what it has become…

I know that a lot of fans of Dries are a bit worried. I love Dries but it was a kind of casual love, without passion.

On another level for example, I love that Blazy won’t be able to change that much of what we know of Chanel. It will be different but similar.

But I think in general that Hedi fans are always so excessive in their reactions…Or is it because they are men? LOL.
I literally think that they shares the same level of emotional baggage as the fans of Olympique Marseille…
 
i feel the wrapping is on brand for michael rider obsession with layering and nomadic and oversizes, new age cocooning zen vibes like he has been dressing for all these years as mentioned since he got appointed :-)

i hate the font used for the text in the video :-( its giving current Calvin Klein collection vibes
So as I suspected he is showing resort 2026+ menswear SS2026. So the guest at his show in October will be wearing his Celine and in November the first drops in shops…

What a smooth transition…
 
did understand the last part :
Hedi is back at it and the now grown customer's baseline for what makes a good cut has already been influenced by Hedi's earlier work.
I meant that Hedi always has a lot of young, vocal followers who aren't customers. And Hedi is very consistent in his design language while changing just enough to not look dated (not to be confused with intentionally retro). So someone who loved watching Hedi fashion shows for style ideas as a broke teenager can rediscover Hedi as an adult customer and not be disappointed.

these fictional stories are just… :rofl:
If this was about my last post, let me assure you that my second paragraph was not fanfiction, but rather an eyewitness report about a conversation that happens regularly on r/hedislimane. I'll let you decide if that makes it better or worse.
 
i feel the wrapping is on brand for michael rider obsession with layering and nomadic and oversizes, new age cocooning zen vibes like he has been dressing for all these years as mentioned since he got appointed :-)

i hate the font used for the text in the video :-( its giving current Calvin Klein collection vibes
That font is indeed terrible and cheapens the effect. But I am intrigued by the Japanese influence - that art of wrapping fabrics around boxes to gift, I can't remember the name - which is a first I think for Celine ?
I would not mind a more nomadic Celine, as Hedi was really stuck on Brit, Americana and French influence and nothing else...
EDIT, find out, Origata, Emiko Oguri website : Multimedia Artist
 
But I think in general that Hedi fans are always so excessive in their reactions…Or is it because they are men? LOL.
I literally think that they shares the same level of emotional baggage as the fans of Olympique Marseille…
Demna fans are very similar too. The vitriol they had towards PPP's appointment was something I've only really seen with the "White Men of Kering" scandal. I think that it's just how male-dominated cliques are, overprotective, defensive and adverse to change. It can be endearing, but also really fatiguing.
 
That font is indeed terrible and cheapens the effect. But I am intrigued by the Japanese influence - that art of wrapping fabrics around boxes to gift, I can't remember the name - which is a first I think for Celine ?
I would not mind a more nomadic Celine, as Hedi was really stuck on Brit, Americana and French influence and nothing else...
EDIT, find out, Origata, Emiko Oguri website : Multimedia Artist
Sorry but her website looks like a wedding gift store this does not instill trust in michel riders :-) vision also no follow up previews on social media of Celine and people complained hedi by doing video shows was hindering press on Celine while this one picture approach to the debut show is very silent and shows lack of confidence already i feel
i bet you this guy is into clothes construction (ancora type: creative director assistant syndrome ) but has no total brand vision.

Login • Instagram they are so proud of their artist of choice to not even link her ig lol with 700 plus followers

its smelling of eau de parfum Heures d´Amateur Celine Paris
is all i can see so far
 
who is the bride who is the groom (who is the celine client post hedi era ?)
i guess tomorrow is another knot version invite to complete the ig row
Kim Kardashian did same for her xmas tree in jersey t shirt i remember. 1751639838783.jpgwedding invites o2.jpgkim-kardashian-uses-skims-fabric-74039749.webpKimK3.webp
 

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