Nudity

or take for instance,you happen to marry the president of a large country and not long after your marriage the hottest thing on the news stand is not about your wedding.... but pictures of you nude in your modeling days.

Why are nude photos showing up such an embarrassment to a top movie actress but it was art at the moment she was doing it in her younger days and it was all... done in "good taste"?
 
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^^good point...

my response to the carla bruni photos was "so what? she was a model and she looks beautiful in the photos... it's not like she has her legs open and is doing anything gross"

people show more on european beaches than carla showed in her photos...

it shouldn't be the big scandal the media makes it out to be..

i don't think nude pictures emerging is as shocking as it once was..
i think in a way it has become mainstream..

and maybe that's why certain starlets are getting photographed coming out of cars with no underwear on (for absolutely no good reason)..
that's the only way for them to still shock and get attention, perhaps? :innocent:
 
The eye of the beholder St. Petersberg Times


By Lennie Bennett, Times Art Critic
Published Friday, April 18, 2008 11:28 AM
This cropped and enhanced version of a photo of Carla Bruni, shot in 1993 by Michel Comte, sold for $91,000 — without the strategically placed type, of course.
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Irving Penn’s nude of Kate Moss, a platinum print, edition of 16, signed and dated, sold for $97,000 at the recent Christie’s auction. Numbered, signed and part of a limited edition of beautifully rendered pieces, it has all of the accoutrements of true art.
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Botticelli’s The Birth of Venus (c. 1482-1486) is thought to honor the mistress of a Medici who was also the greatest beauty of her day. The Renaissance aesthetics of the nude were clear.
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Is Carla Bruni naked or nude? • This photograph of her unclothed body has been widely circulated through the media and the Internet since it was sold to an anonymous collector at a Christie's auction on April 10 for what was considered the wildly inflated sum of $91,000, after Christie's estimated its worth between $3,000 and $4,000.
Naked versus nude may seem like a small, irrelevant distinction in a debate over the propriety of the photograph's sale. But those two words represent important and very different ways not only in how we look at an image but how we judge its value and the value of those involved in its creation. And a recent shift has occurred in how we might perceive and judge the photograph of Carla Bruni.
It was taken in 1993 by Michel Comte, a respected commercial photographer, when Bruni was a top model. Many months ago, it was a minor player in the sale of 135 photographs owned by the distinguished German collector Gert Elfering, not in the same league as, say, those by Richard Avedon or Irving Penn, both of whom were also represented and whose photographs were valued in the $100,000 range. Christie's assessment of the Bruni-Comte photograph seemed spot-on because Comte is still living, he isn't in the highest ranks of photographers and the Bruni photo isn't from a special or limited-edition. And several months ago Bruni, 40, was just an ex-model with a fairly successful singing career and a string of famous lovers (e.g. Mick Jagger). Then in February she married Nicholas Sarkozy, president of France.
You can guess what happened next.
After the Bruni-Sarkozy wedding, Christie's suddenly elevated the image to the small group of special photographs used to promote the auction. Bidding at the event went through the roof with the anonymous collector finally snagging the print for $91,000. And Madame Sarkozy's birthday suit was posted far more frequently on Web sites than the little gray suits from Dior she wore on a state visit to Britain that same week.
She and her husband reportedly feel victimized and exploited by the sale. Knee-jerk reaction would concur.
But let's look at her response through the prism of art history. The naked/nude question is a subcategory of — and inevitably leads to — the Big Question: What Is Art?
Bruni's photograph has made it a more potent question not based on the photograph's merits or even who she was in 1993. Its value now seems based on who she has become, a personage rather than a person, someone with the potential to exert influence, even power, on an international, political level.
Here's what the late Lord Kenneth Clark, one of the most respected art historians of the 20th century and maybe of all time, said about naked versus nude in his classic book from the 1950s, The Nude: A Study in Ideal Form:
"To be naked is to be deprived of our clothes, and the word implies some of the embarrassment most of us feel in that condition. The word 'nude,' on the other hand, carries, in educated usage, no uncomfortable overtone. The vague image it projects into the mind is not of a huddled, defenseless body, but of a balanced, prosperous, and confident body."
The bottom line for Clark was that nude is art and naked is not: "… in the greatest age of painting (the Renaissance), the nude inspired the greatest works."
Nude confers power; naked implies helplessness. In an ironic coda for Bruni, the elevation that has given her access to a power base has also been the agent of its potential loss.
If we believe she is naked, we agree with her that she has been victimized and exploited; if she is nude, we view her as the fortunate subject of a work of art whose physical form is celebrated and glorified. And, it's important to remember, that in 1993 she was at the top of her game and had collaborated often with Comte for fashion magazines such as Vogue. She was no desperate naif persuaded to remove her clothes by a cheesy adventurer.
The Medicis, an Italian renaissance family who had their own broad power base, were unequivocal about the woman Botticelli painted for them in The Birth of Venus (c. 1482-1486) which you see here in a pose similar to Bruni's. It's believed to be a homage to Simonetta Cattaneo Vespucci, the greatest beauty of her day who was loved by Giuliano de Medici. Like Bruni, she wears no clothes. Unlike Bruni, Simonetta — and her rich and famous boyfriend — would have considered the portrait and public interest in it honorable things.
"Look at my woman!" it proclaims. "Isn't she gorgeous!"
President Sarkozy has made, at the time of this writing, no comment about his wife's portrait.
Lord Clark, in discussing naked and nude, did not take very seriously the ascension of photography as an art form in the latter part of the 20th century and the role it would play in the genre of nude portraiture. As we all know, a photograph today can be manipulated every bit as much as a painting. But it has the illusion of unadulterated reality which affects our sensibilities about it, especially in this instance, with an immediacy and intimate directness. A photograph can convey a feeling of voyeurism far more often than a painting or sculpture. That and its potential to be endlessly reproduced often distinguish it in people's minds from paintings and sculpture.
Nor did Clark reckon with the pervasive influence of popular contemporary culture. I can't think of any women who look more "balanced, prosperous or confident" than Playboy centerfolds and the gals who happily pull up their shirts on their Web sites. And the highly paid models who remove their clothes for respected photographers.
And while I would disagree with those who claim a Hustler photograph as art, I would argue their right to have different definitions of art from mine, just as I would defend others at the opposite end of the spectrum in their right to believe that no representation of the unclothed body is art, that Botticelli's unclothed Venus is as naked as Venus the Stripper on MySpace.
More common is the middle ground of those who would be enchanted by Botticelli and appalled by Helmut Newton's provocative, subtly sado-masochistic photographs that have been published in every high-end magazine in the world.
As a point of reference, Newton's Tied-Up Torso, a photograph of a bare-chested woman in semi-bondage get-up, went for $109,000 at the auction.
I am, of course, using a few words out of context from Clark's lengthy discussion of a classic art genre to make a point about how personal our ideas are about the question, what is art?
This auction was not about prurience or aberrant tastes. It contained some true photographic masterworks, some of them nudes, along with landscapes, portraits and still lifes.
Examples from the auction and what they sold for:
• Irving Penn's portrait of a nude Gisele Bundchen, $193,000
• Avedon's Bridget Bardot (face only), $181,000
• Horst's unidentified model wearing a Mainbocher corset, $133,000
• Penn's portrait of Picasso (fully clothed), $133,000
• Richard Avedon's semi-nude of Lauren Hutton, $127,000
• Penn's nude of Kate Moss, $97,000
• Herb Ritt's nude of Alex Wek (probably the most revealing nude in the group), $25,000
• Albert Watson's nude of Kate Moss, $21,250
• David Bailey's portrait of John Lennon and Paul McCartney (fully clothed), $16,250
• Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's documentary photograph of the moon's surface from their Apollo craft, $6,250
• Garry Fabian Miller's seascape, $6,250
• Michel Comte's portrait of Jeff Koons (fully clothed) $3,250
• Comte's nude of Carla Bruni, $91,000.
I expect you're seeing a pattern. Except for the last example, which is the anomaly.
It's an undistinguished photograph of a pretty girl in an awkward, postmodern pose, taken after a shoot for Italian Vogue according to Comte, the kind of outtake common with models and photographers who are comfortable with each other. It looks quickly and casually made with none of the care taken to pose and compose an image that you see in many other photographs from the auction. And, according to a description by Christie's, it is unsigned and has no reference to the number of prints Comte has made of the image, unlike almost all other high-priced photographs in the auction which are part of very small, beautifully made limited editions. It was in the lowest category of Christie's estimates for those reasons.
When my editors and I talked about this story, I argued hard for inclusion of the complete photograph of Carla Bruni. They decided against it (the naked/nude thing again).
Now I believe they were right.
I can only hope Anonymous Collector bought it for the best reason in the world, because he loved it.
I'm skeptical.
I can imagine a scenario in which the French president and first lady go on some state visit and encounter Anonymous Collector who will say to her, "Oh, Carla, how nice to see you in clothes!"
I can also image a scenario in 10, 20 or 30 years, when Carla Bruni is no longer a personage and Anonymous Collector will realize that this was not investment art.
If the photograph had sold for $4,000, Carla Bruni would be nude.
At $91,000, Carla Bruni is naked.
Lennie Bennett can be reached at (727) 893-8293
or [email protected].


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Great article....
 
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^At $91,000, Carla Bruni ego just became bigger.

The picture is beautiful, but if she didn't marry French president Nicolas Sarkozy it probaly would sell for $500 tops. It's all about the allure of owning a pic of someone's unclothed wife that sparks a false sense of command. Especally when its the wife of a political figure. Searching for proper label be it "nude" or "naked" doesn't seem to matter this case.
 
Pictures by Paolo Roversi

Nadja Auermann
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hfgl

Tiuu
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(from Paolo roversi thread)

Shalom
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hfgl
 
Natalia Vodianova by Paolo Roversi
my scan from Egoïste n°15

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from Natalia's thread, picture by Paolo Roversi for (old) Vogue Italia

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from nataliavodianova.net (website -unfortunately- doesn't still exist)
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thank you so much for the article model_mom

very interesting read....

i think i would agree with the writer that for $91,000 Carla Bruni is naked and exposed..
that photo sold for so much purely because she is now the wife of a powerful man...

the sale of that image for so much money distorted the art of the nudity into a more sort of lascivious thing...
it's no longer an artistic nude but just a naked picture of a president's wife...

unfortunate...
 
nudity is cool… this is the topic of my blog, i have to bring more stuff her… :)
 
Natalia Vodianova







source: hfgl, nv.net, fmd, previous post from this thread, pirellical.com
 
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That Paolo Roversi shot of Tiuu is absolutely magnificent.


I think nudity is fine...you can tell when its forced and when its natural...you just feel it. When it feels forced, I like it a whole lot less.
 
Miranda Kerr is not a favorite model of mine, but her pictures are beautiful.

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i really can't understand why are people so offended by a naked body. society has gotten on their nerves. did a boob ever insulted them? and then, at the end of the day the mayority agrees that it is a beautiful picture!:wacko:
 
^ Society (here in USA) is basically uptight. We are all raised to believe (for the most part) that the naked body is shameful. We all are naturally drawn to looking at a beautiful naked body, but we suppress it. This involves a lot of conflict within, and it's basically unhealthy.
 
i don't know who she is but i love this girl…



pictures by Christain Kettiger for Elle France, from Agnes Jacquet agency
 
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