Phoebe Philo - Designer

Oddly enough, I consider Alaia to be more one-trick than Philo is.

The wildest thing to me in this discussion is how one can even compare Phoebe Philo to Alaia as if they were on par, ignoring for how long Alaia perfected his thing, earning him a place among the very best couturiers such as Charles James, Balenciaga, Vionnet or Grès.
 
The wildest thing to me in this discussion is how one can even compare Phoebe Philo to Alaia as if they were on par, ignoring for how long Alaia perfected his thing, earning him a place among the very best couturiers such as Charles James, Balenciaga, Vionnet or Grès.
At no point did I say they were on-par, I just think it's ludicrous that people on this forum have internalized this fetishism of the new to such an extent that they expect Phoebe Philo and other designers to constantly reinvent themselves.
 
is it misogyny though? we trash Blazy and SDSS over here endlessly similarly to PP. to me there has never been a sense of misogyny there, its just about what they do as designers
in fact the appreciation for women on here is fantastic considering theres so many threads here appreciating so many models and other female industry professionals
sorry to jump in with my 2 cents lol
I'm sorry but "we love models" is not exactly the best defense.
 
I'm sorry but "we love models" is not exactly the best defense.
similarly how is a statement that a designer - in this case PP - implied to not be a genius and having come to a dead end considered misogynistic? nothing that has been said was suggesting anything about her appearance nor was it offensive actually
 
those looking for easy answers will not find it in Phoebe Philos work
what I like about her designs even I don’t want to wear all of them myself: It evolves about what is precious to some of us, but completely not what is precious to the common sense of common people. there is a raw beauty in it. Something that’s not really pretty at first sight, but intriguing as longer you look at it. That’s her power. That’s what makes her unique nowadays in a sea of shallow merch that is thrown at us constantly. And that’s something what all her copycats are not able to copy with ease.

indeed Philos selfamplied independence makes her label stand out right now, with the elitist price point attached she’s not interested to grab the attention of the youngsters at all. It’s a playground for grown ups. That’s why I also really dig that the likes of Oprah Winfrey, Chloe Sevigny or Tracey Ellis Ross are fans of PP. They are rich, established, independent, love to play with their appearance ( and don’t give a f*ck what some nerds who spend most of their time on the internet think about their outfits). They know what they want. And what they don’t: To please everybody. i like that. We need more of this especially right now

what happens when a woman takes matters into her own hands? That’s to me a very interesting and personally charged topic. And the sometimes fast and sometimes slow, but steady, evolution of Phoebe Philo might be a good example or better: a variation of this cliché. It’s not easy to start your own business, it’s normal to try things out, it’s normal do fail, to adjust, to compromise - hopefully without compromising yourself - even when you are privileged and have some financial backing and support. It makes her (a little bit) like one of us.
to do this in a openly neo-patriarchalist world where a lot of outsiders who think they are insiders trash every new idea or thought so deliberately, but could never even deliver 1% of the same output by themselves. Creativity is a very complicated, magical process that means something different to everyone who’s been there, and it comes and goes in waves. Philo is on her own journey, she seems fine. her clients seem fine. Happy and loyal. What a privilege nowadays

In the end it’s all about the big desire and question of what it means to seek independence and true ownership and what the blanket application thereof might be — not merely for fast dopamine lovers, but for everyone in the sphere to be honest, true and patient to themselves

In a personally charged way i am thankful she’s still in the game and challenges us from time to time, because there are not many really strong voices in fashion left and I wish her all the success in the world - also as an entrepreneur who wants to change the game.
 
is it misogyny though? we trash Blazy and SDSS over here endlessly similarly to PP. to me there has never been a sense of misogyny there, its just about what they do as designers
in fact the appreciation for women on here is fantastic considering theres so many threads here appreciating so many models and other female industry professionals
sorry to jump in with my 2 cents lol
I think people are just used to it on these forums. Do I think all members of the forum are misogynistic? No. Of course not. I think the treatment De Sarno and Blazy have received is quite different than what people are criticizing Philo for... and... also, they're relatively new compared to Phoebe, so to act like she doesn't have decades of work behind her (regardless of how different), unlike those two... is... uh... interesting.

The models forum only works because of decades of strict moderation and (actually enforced) rules, too... people aren't saying that models just get their jobs because they have ovaries or whatever. Just like a certain user said about MGC.
 
At no point did I say they were on-par, I just think it's ludicrous that people on this forum have internalized this fetishism of the new to such an extent that they expect Phoebe Philo and other designers to constantly reinvent themselves.

My point is that designers such as Alaia or Yamamoto can afford to produce collections that are seemingly 'on auto pilot' since they’ve pioneered and created a style that has earned them the authority over a repetitive output - Even more so since they’ve pioneered always produced collections under their own name and mot as 'free agents' who have enjoyed their biggest successes under a different name than their own.
 
What do artists have to do with fashion designers anyway? They work in completely different systems. Fashion operates within seasons, teams, budgets, and commercial constraints. Phoebe Philo isn't trying to reinvent herself like Picasso because that's not the job she's doing. She's designing a coherent, personal wardrobe vision.
volft's legacy in a nutshell.. he'd bring up rothko as soon as he ran out of 'receipts' and if you were like 'wait what?', he'd be like 'exactly, you're a peasant so argument settled and I won' lol. From the creators of 'quoting a dictionary in an online debate' and other losing-a-debate numbers..
 

Phoebe Philo Guest Edits the FT’s New HTSI Issue, Focused on Beauty and ‘Intention’
Jonathan Anderson was the magazine’s first guest editor in 2021, since then Jony Ive and Yinka Ilori have applied their talents the Financial Times’ luxury weekend magazine.
By Hikmat Mohammed
Phoebe Philo is the latest guest editor of HTSI, the Financial Times’ luxury weekend magazine, joining a list of creative talent ranging from Jonathan Anderson to Yinka Ilori.

The “Beauty and Intention” issue will come out in physical form with the newspaper’s weekend edition this Saturday and Sunday.
Jo Ellison, the title’s editor and deputy editor of FT Weekend, said in an interview that she chose Philo for her “outsize influence within the world of fashion,” while acknowledging the British designer remains an enigma.

“People are fascinated by her, her style and her creative influences — we, like so many others, wanted to get a glimpse into her world,” she added.

Ellison said the designer didn’t take much convincing to edit the issue. Instead, “she had an extremely precise and exacting vision of what she wanted to present.”

In her editor’s letter, Philo said she’s always been “fascinated by our relationship with clothes. That was my starting point for this issue — the communication in, and of, clothes.”

She added that “with so much of our collective experience and social interaction reliant on a digital culture, clothes, for me, represent almost the polar opposite. Clothes are tactile, emotionally resonant, personal and, on so many levels, anything but remote.”
Philo reiterated the importance of clothing and its emotional connection and symbolism.

“For me, it is important that we think about what we are saying, about what it means — to my team, to my collaborators and finally to the wearer of each piece,” she said.

The cover story features an all female-cast. The performance artist Andrea Fraser, recipient of the debut Philip Guston Rome Prize from the American Academy in Rome, appears on the cover in an olive green, double-breasted suit and a pair of oversize “Bombé” sunglasses from Philo’s eponymous label.

Talia Chetrit, who worked on a campaign for Philo’s label last year, photographed the cover.

For the issue, Philo said she tapped people she admires including the French film director and actress Mati Diop; British writer and broadcaster Deyan Sudjic; Cameroonian curator Koyo Kouoh, and Mónica Manzutto, the cofounder of the Mexican art gallery Kurimanzutto.

She also brought in the London fabric artist Tuesday Greenidge, who started Grenfell Memorial Quilt for survivors and members of the local community of London’s Grenfell Tower, which burnt down in 2017, killing 72 people.

Ellison said she gained insight into Philo’s creative process and working methodology while making the issue.

“I think she has an extraordinary cultural reach and a massive range of interests, so I would love to see what she would curate. Side note, she told me she was too busy to contemplate it, so it would mean [a lot] if she had a major change of heart,” Ellison said.

Source | WWD
 
The wildest thing to me in this discussion is how one can even compare Phoebe Philo to Alaia as if they were on par, ignoring for how long Alaia perfected his thing, earning him a place among the very best couturiers such as Charles James, Balenciaga, Vionnet or Grès.
Azzedine is not there yet, he's def not influential as Balenciaga Vionnet Poiret Coco etc. It's still about our bias after all, so no point in arguing.
 
I just think it's ludicrous that people on this forum have internalized this fetishism of the new to such an extent that they expect Phoebe Philo and other designers to constantly reinvent themselves.
Very well put. I think that's just the nature of fashion-as-spectator-sport, though. You see one strong idea, and it puts you in the mood to see other strong ideas. And small changes don't register in the endless conveyor belt of "propositions" being put out every season. Especially on a screen, but even if you're touching stuff in a showroom.

If you are actually wearing something once a week, subtler changes like fabric(weight, texture, movement), drape or length, rearranged pockets in a purse, are going to stand out more.

But then again, if you don't stand out from the competition, there won't be anyone to notice how this season's calfskin breaks in, so...
 


I really love that leather coat and the dress.

The coat is gorgeous. It's what I think Anthony V was trying to do at YSL his previous show. I don't particularly hate what she is doing with her propositions but I find the creative and art direction does her brand no favors.

Maybe she is hitting her targets on e-com- we have nothing to go off of- but I can only imagine what a game changer being at brick and mortar retail could do for her. With the direction she is going, it would serve her better that the clothes can be appreciated in person and touched. They look great just from that little IG vid imo
 
The Jasmina video is very good marketing for Phoebe actually. A subtle way of highlighting some size inclusivity but also honesty with the clothes and colours.

The 80s styling of the guest edit I don’t love, but it isn’t the worst. At least it looks empowered and in control, not some gormless wallflower that happens to be done up all 80s and whatnot.
 

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