Phoebe Philo - Designer

[Nimsay]

that Oprah look is so out of touch. Imagine dressing up like a billionaire butcher to go to Kris Jenners.

PP has to show in London. This is only her 3rd collection in idk how many years?

Its perfect timing though since her look is out for the mainstream and now all her clients can buy her look from her.

I see Phoebe Philo as a new Max Mara. The prices are small batch I think? Which I believe should right size when production increases. I guess then we will see more standard propositions from Pheebs like pants and jackets.

 

[Lola701]

Phoebe the new MaxMara?
Her clothes while great still lacks that « fashion for all women in all situation » that MaxMara has.
My mother is in her 60’s, she wears MaxMara. I could hardly imagine her in Phoebe. Maybe in some old Celine but Phoebe is very statement, very fashion.

Her clothes are for a woman who is confident in her style. It’s not stuff to buy to look cool or look rich. That’s maybe why it doesn’t translate on Oprah for example. She bought it because she can afford it and it’s cool but is it representative of her style?

Nevertheless, I can’t wait to finally see her corner in GL and get the pieces I have my eyes on.

And for the show, she should come to Paris.
Her distribution is international now. All the buyers and press comes to Paris.

LFW needs more than two big shows to be relevant.

 

[PDFSD]

Oprah style is whatever she likes she wears, as she should!
i enjoy people it drives people mad she gets her curvy body into phoebe as if she never worn high fashion constantly in her live.

hope she comes to phoebe first show just to make the fans even more happy

 

[Lola701]

Oprah style is whatever she likes she wears, as she should!
i enjoy people it drives people mad she gets her curvy body into phoebe as if she never worn high fashion constantly in her live.

hope she comes to phoebe first show just to make the fans even more happy

She is a bit victim of being a celebrity but I always have respect for celebrities who buys their clothes.
I mean Rihanna who has got a little bit more curvy with her pregnancies has worn Phoebe a lot of time.
I think contrary to popular belief that her stuff could fit different body types. It’s just a matter of what you pick and your style…A bit like Rick Owens.

 

[PDFSD]

She is a bit victim of being a celebrity but I always have respect for celebrities who buys their clothes.
I mean Rihanna who has got a little bit more curvy with her pregnancies has worn Phoebe a lot of time.
I think contrary to popular belief that her stuff could fit different body types. It’s just a matter of what you pick and your style…A bit like Rick Owens.

Oprah is know but she is not in the street to be photographed by paparazzi to me as a talk show host and producer etc she is more a industry person than a celeb like _Martha or Gwyneth etc

Rihanna with her new stylist is her worst era and it has nothing to do with her pregnancy body etc its just messy layer and try hard she deserves a better stylist , he is doing also Kim now and you see the same messy try hard looks.

To me she is a aunt that buys what she likes she is not a fashion person and i we are honest 90% of fashion spender look nd shop like her real lives with money to spend on luxury fashion and its nothing about being a phoebe women aor a kelly girl etc

I sense this constant gate keeping that brands like phoebe or anything looking like her old celine should be only aloud by a certain group of people and body type and skin color.

To me Oprah is not a victim she is a luxury customer not a fashion girly she happens to be in public eye.

 

[YohjiAddict]

I wonder if that crazy lady who believed herself to be a The Row ambassador will now be lending her style, charisma and tactfulness to Pheobe Philo?

 

[PDFSD]

I wonder if that crazy lady who believed herself to be a The Row ambassador will now be lending her style, charisma and tactfulness to Phoebe Philo?

hope not lol also i think Phoebe brand is more sexy and aggressive even, she feel like the more earthy type.
she should go to lemaire and cos etc none offensive a sexuel clothes

 

[fruitdots]

For London Fashion Week's sake, I hope she makes her catwalk return there and not in Paris...

LFW should be throwing money at her to show there, because they have nothing else going on.

 

[nationalsalt]

LFW should be throwing money at her to show there, because they have nothing else going on.

On that subject, why doesn't the British Fashion Council offer to host (i.e. pay for the flights / hotels of) some of the influential editors / buyers who skip LFW at the moment?

 

[LadyJunon]

On that subject, why doesn't the British Fashion Council offer to host (i.e. pay for the flights / hotels of) some of the influential editors / buyers who skip LFW at the moment?

They literally don't have the money. After the flatlining to Topshop and the decline of a lot of their popular brands during the pandemic (Christopher Kane, Craig Green, Mary Katranzou, Preen, David Koma), they've been pretty much dependent on Burberry. If Burberry decides that it's more worthwhile to show in Milan or Paris, the BFC is done for.

 

[nationalsalt]

They literally don't have the money. After the flatlining to Topshop and the decline of a lot of their popular brands during the pandemic (Christopher Kane, Craig Green, Mary Katranzou, Preen, David Koma), they've been pretty much dependent on Burberry. If Burberry decides that it's more worthwhile to show in Milan or Paris, the BFC is done for.

Maybe they could wrangle some sponsorships from British Airways / a London hotel like Claridges? 😢

 

[LadyJunon]

Maybe they could wrangle some sponsorships from British Airways / a London hotel like Claridges? 😢

Luxury fashion collaborating with luxury experiences. It could work.

 

[FashionPower]

Why would someone want her to show during LFW? Contemporary brands are over.
It's funny cause I was thinking that in roughly a decade from now, MFW might fail too: in Paris you have more relevant brands, greater concentration of buyers / press, more celebrities, more engagement basically.
It speaks a lot the fact that NYFW is dead, LFW is dead too and Milan is reduced to basically 3 days if you consider the top brands, when Paris it's 8 and every day is packed with at least 1 top class brand shows.
If you remove Gucci, Fendi, Prada, Dolce, Armani and Bottega from the MFW calendar, no one would even dare to attend it. Max Mara or Alberta Ferretti do not need seasonal shows...and all the others lower tier are flopping hard (Moschino!). Armani can do lookbooks too since the major engagement is achieved in Paris for the couture and during the menswear calendar.

 

[Lola701]

On that subject, why doesn't the British Fashion Council offer to host (i.e. pay for the flights / hotels of) some of the influential editors / buyers who skip LFW at the moment?

Because there’s no economy around the London Fashion Scene and apparently no politics support for the fashion industry.

You can’t just throw an event to throw an event. There are fewer buyers than before, too much brands and really no economy.

In the US, they have a fairly big market (even if it’s getting smaller) and some brands can even do well around the pacific coast.

LFW is not international enough, the pound as a currency is quite high, the brexit made it less interesting to come. London as a city has still a lot to offer with a lot of international clients still but it’s not enough. And there’s a sense of amateurism after many seasons of some brands too.

Italy has that advantage that they have a savoir faire, factories (and sweatshops). They are important for manufacturing. They have a bunch of big brands but the smaller brands in Italy are benefiting from the aura of luxury but are contemporary.

If we think about brands like Moschino, N21, Sunnei, MSGM and others, they are contemporary. Weirdly they aren’t that developed in Paris (I’m still wondering why N21 is still not available in Paris) but a lot of them are developing their retail in Asia.
But Milan is not a really fun city I think.

In Paris, there’s a whole eco-system developed for fashion week. Politics are involved (obviously as 5 of the biggest fortunes of the country are in fashion/luxury) unlike in Italy (where they have a lot of fashion billionaires too), cultural spaces are involved. I mean from the florist to the club promoter, everybody is involved in the success of PFW outside of the core business of fashion.

There aren’t that many stores in Paris either for a much more pleasing shopping experience (Tom Greyhound was a great shop that closed for example) but it’s cheaper to buy some brands than in NYC and LDN so it’s a city where commerce and arts really mixes well.

And now they are really trying their hardest to make Paris happen in a big way. After Fashion Week, it’s Art Basel and then Paris Photos. On top of that there are fashion exhibitions…It’s an on going thing.

And from a more pragmatic POV, can the clothes shown at LFW nowadays really compete against what is shown in Paris and Milan. And I’m not talking about crazy creativity. Clothes that people would want to wear and spend money on?

 

[nationalsalt]

Because there’s no economy around the London Fashion Scene and apparently no politics support for the fashion industry.

You can’t just throw an event to throw an event. There are fewer buyers than before, too much brands and really no economy.

In the US, they have a fairly big market (even if it’s getting smaller) and some brands can even do well around the pacific coast.

LFW is not international enough, the pound as a currency is quite high, the brexit made it less interesting to come. London as a city has still a lot to offer with a lot of international clients still but it’s not enough. And there’s a sense of amateurism after many seasons of some brands too.

Italy has that advantage that they have a savoir faire, factories (and sweatshops). They are important for manufacturing. They have a bunch of big brands but the smaller brands in Italy are benefiting from the aura of luxury but are contemporary.

If we think about brands like Moschino, N21, Sunnei, MSGM and others, they are contemporary. Weirdly they aren’t that developed in Paris (I’m still wondering why N21 is still not available in Paris) but a lot of them are developing their retail in Asia.
But Milan is not a really fun city I think.

In Paris, there’s a whole eco-system developed for fashion week. Politics are involved (obviously as 5 of the biggest fortunes of the country are in fashion/luxury) unlike in Italy (where they have a lot of fashion billionaires too), cultural spaces are involved. I mean from the florist to the club promoter, everybody is involved in the success of PFW outside of the core business of fashion.

There aren’t that many stores in Paris either for a much more pleasing shopping experience (Tom Greyhound was a great shop that closed for example) but it’s cheaper to buy some brands than in NYC and LDN so it’s a city where commerce and arts really mixes well.

And now they are really trying their hardest to make Paris happen in a big way. After Fashion Week, it’s Art Basel and then Paris Photos. On top of that there are fashion exhibitions…It’s an on going thing.

And from a more pragmatic POV, can the clothes shown at LFW nowadays really compete against what is shown in Paris and Milan. And I’m not talking about crazy creativity. Clothes that people would want to wear and spend money on?

Good points but notwithstanding, one would still think it's incumbent on the BFC to try as hard as they can to revive LFW's fortunes. Which they may well already be doing behind the scenes...I just wish it was more effective.

 

[Monsieur Cristobal]

Precisely because London has no ties with heritage houses I have hopes on that city as a place of rebirth of genuine and creative fashion.

You remember fifteen years ago when you saw a woman dressed in Prada and you immediately knew that she was into art?
Today wearing Prada stands for nothing. Maybe even for a certain "look-at-me" attitude which is so uninteresting.

The woman that makes my imagination fly wears Roksanda today, or Erdem. Definitely not the big Paris or Milan names. Those are for the sheep.

I believe in you, London.

 

[Lola701]

Good points but notwithstanding, one would still think it's incumbent on the BFC to try as hard as they can to revive LFW's fortunes. Which they may well already be doing behind the scenes...I just wish it was more effective.

It will have to be a joint effort: BFC, politics, retailers, the few magazines left, influencers. They have to take everyone on the train.
And maybe encourage that eco-system.

Precisely because London has no ties with heritage houses I have hopes on that city as a place of rebirth of genuine and creative fashion.

You remember fifteen years ago when you saw a woman dressed in Prada and you immediately knew that she was into art?
Today wearing Prada stands for nothing. Maybe even for a certain "look-at-me" attitude which is so uninteresting.

The woman that makes my imagination fly wears Roksanda today, or Erdem. Definitely not the big Paris or Milan names. Those are for the sheep.

I believe in you, London.

But does that woman is highly pushed in LFW?
London wanted to be the place for new young designers who are doing crazy things, having a lot of ideas whereas the most successful brands are selling very romantic stuff with flowers everywhere.

Maybe there’s the disconnect there and they should embrace that more.

It doesn’t seem like all the scenes are communicating well at LFW whereas in Paris a very commercial Balenciaga or MiuMiu can exists with a very edgy Vuitton or Sacai. Elie Saab can exist next to Jacquemus and have the same level of perceived respect.