Pierpaolo Piccioli - Designer

[LadyJunon]

Well, from bad to (a very little) less bad...I wonder what colour PPP will choose to baptize his Fendi (because that´s what he always does).

I believe Fendi has that golden-yellow colour they use for packaging. They just never really pushed it as aggressively as Bottega Green or Pink PP in the marketing or merchandising though.

 

[PDFSD]

All birds of the same unremarkable feather. Kim, Matthew, MGC, the Ancora clown, Lindsay Lohan for Ungaro, Virgine.. We’ve suffered a lot.

I would keep a special place for Virgine lol..... she been in the came much longer as nr 2.
And most importantly she never pretend to be more intellectual or cooler or smarter then KL or any one for a matter of fact she just did her job.
While the others talk and present ideas like it's the new testament

 

[FashionPower]

I would keep a special place for Virgine lol..... she been in the came much longer as nr 2.
And most importantly she never pretend to be more intellectual or cooler or smarter then KL or any one for a matter of fact she just did her job.
While the others talk and present ideas like it's the new testament

Yes she has never been pretentious or sounded intellectual or fashion savior a la Raf Simons or Demna...but to be that terrible after spending 30 YEARS as the right hand of the most skilled and influential creative director / designer OF ALL TIMES...come on. Virginie's tenure will always be remembered with one single word: MATRONLY.

 

[tourbillions]

filippo grazioli > ppp for fendi

 

[Lola701]

I would keep a special place for Virgine lol..... she been in the came much longer as nr 2.
And most importantly she never pretend to be more intellectual or cooler or smarter then KL or any one for a matter of fact she just did her job.
While the others talk and present ideas like it's the new testament

Tbh, except Eric Wright and Herve Léger, Karl never really had good number 2 weirdly. Gilles Dufour was a flop on his own, so was Arnaud Maillard and as we saw…Virginie.

But yes, she was humble. But I think, unlike a lot of number 2, she never really wanted the position and the spotlights.

Karl has had a lot of close collaborators who eventually went on their own or simply left to have their glory elsewhere but Virginie has followed him for 30 years from Chloe to Chanel without any ambition. It might be rare but she had no ego (and no talent too).

I read last week that his inheritance issues were settled. As he named Virginie as one his heir, I’m sure she is somewhere living calmly, enjoying the millions she earned at Chanel and that Karl left for her.

filippo grazioli > ppp for fendi

Filippo for Fendi would be so great!
His contract ends this year so if he doesn’t continue at Missoni, Fendi would be great!!!!!

LVMH loves stars designers though.

 

[FashionPower]

FENDI only needs one person and that person is ALESSIA PELLARINI, Karl's right hand at Fendi from 2012.
The Fall 2019 couture collection (which she designed) was probably the most opulent and luxurious collection from Fendi, even better than Karl dare I say.
The Fall 2020 collection was epic too with the coats with the padded oversized sleeves.
Too bad she got beef with Kim Jones (of course...) and they got rid of her.

 

[FashionPower]

Tbh, except Eric Wright and Herve Léger, Karl never really had good number 2 weirdly. Gilles Dufour was a flop on his own, so was Arnaud Maillard and as we saw…Virginie.

But yes, she was humble. But I think, unlike a lot of number 2, she never really wanted the position and the spotlights.

Karl has had a lot of close collaborators who eventually went on their own or simply left to have their glory elsewhere but Virginie has followed him for 30 years from Chloe to Chanel without any ambition. It might be rare but she had no ego (and no talent too).

I read last week that his inheritance issues were settled. As he named Virginie as one his heir, I’m sure she is somewhere living calmly, enjoying the millions she earned at Chanel and that Karl left for her.


Filippo for Fendi would be so great!
His contract ends this year so if he doesn’t continue at Missoni, Fendi would be great!!!!!

LVMH loves stars designers though.

Valentino, Marc Jacobs and Tom Ford were the best in terms of mentoring young talents and making them grow:
From Valentino we got Pierpaolo and Maria Grazia
From Tom Ford we got Clare, Frida, Alessandra, Phoebe, Peter Hawkings
From Marc Jacobs we got Demna
From Karl we can say we had an early Alessandro Michele and Frida as they both worked at Fendi before leaving for Gucci LOL

 

[tourbillions]

LVMH loves stars designers though.

filipo is definitely very marketable if you know what i mean and it seems the fashion people love him too.

 

[Lola701]

Valentino, Marc Jacobs and Tom Ford were the best in terms of mentoring young talents and making them grow:
From Valentino we got Pierpaolo and Maria Grazia
From Tom Ford we got Clare, Frida, Alessandra, Phoebe, Peter Hawkings
From Marc Jacobs we got Demna
From Karl we can say we had an early Alessandro Michele and Frida as they both worked at Fendi before leaving for Gucci LOL

I would have said Tom Ford and Nicolas.
From Tom, we had: Stefano, Frida, Alessandro, Clare, Stefano, Milan Vukmirovic, Christopher Bailey, Francesco Costa, Francesco Russo, Vanessa Seward, John Ray and yes, Peter Hawkings.

From Nicolas we had: Bouchra Jarrar, Sébastien Peigne, Barnabé Hardy, Natacha Ramsey Levi, Julien Dossena, Nicolas Di Felice, Charlotte Chesnais.

Regarding Karl, I think everybody who worked in Italy worked at Fendi at some point. Pierpaolo and MGC also worked at Fendi. Vincent Darre was Karl’s assistant at Fendi. But I think the best talents who came from Karl were Herve Léger and Victoire de Castellane. But a lot of fashion Parisian girls started with Karl at Chanel.

Marc Jacobs: Demna, ok but Peter Copping , Julie de Libran, Camille Miceli and to some degree Kim Jones.

Roberto Cavalli also was great for young designers. I think about Olivier Rousteing, Peter Dundas or Lorenzo Serafini.

Then you someone like Yvan Mispelaere who went to Valentino, Prada, Gucci (under Frida), Chloe (under Phoebe) and Valentino again under PPP.

 

[yslforever]

filippo grazioli > ppp for fendi

A thousand times yes.

 

[PDFSD]

Tbh, except Eric Wright and Herve Léger, Karl never really had good number 2 weirdly. Gilles Dufour was a flop on his own, so was Arnaud Maillard and as we saw…Virginie.

But yes, she was humble. But I think, unlike a lot of number 2, she never really wanted the position and the spotlights.

Karl has had a lot of close collaborators who eventually went on their own or simply left to have their glory elsewhere but Virginie has followed him for 30 years from Chloe to Chanel without any ambition. It might be rare but she had no ego (and no talent too).

I read last week that his inheritance issues were settled. As he named Virginie as one his heir, I’m sure she is somewhere living calmly, enjoying the millions she earned at Chanel and that Karl left for her.


Filippo for Fendi would be so great!
His contract ends this year so if he doesn’t continue at Missoni, Fendi would be great!!!!!

LVMH loves stars designers though.

I uncompromisingly disagree that Virgine had no talent or ambition (for we don't know her ambitions where, but that's a more deeper conversation on what ambition and being successful is )

We can say her taste was at times odd or not connecting but she did create a ease that is closer to the original Chanel than what KL did even if i enjoyed KL more because he was just bigger than life but he had also weak points in his design and creative output.

I would argue also even some looks and ADV campaigns had a more up to date younger edge than KL later years.

We will see who they will choose now and i will not be surprised that following up after KL and even Virginie won't be such a easy task.

(i don't want to convince anyone regarding VV, like i said on this opinion i don't compromise :-)

As i respect that people like filippo grazioli work and i don't see it :-)

 

[Frederic01]

PPP at Fendi is death by a thousand paper cuts. Plus Fendi is a leather and accessories brand, and both are not PPP’s forte.

Didn't he start at Fendi as an accessories designer though? And both he and MGC were instrumental in creating the Baguette bag?

I don't think he cared much to focus on the accessories at Valentino, as it was very much as Maison de Couture, which is what he focused on.

 

[yslforever]

LVMH loves stars designers though.

At Vuitton certainly, but not at the other brands, I would have never considered Kim Jones, or MGC & PPP as star designers though, not even when they were at Valentino.

Didn't he start at Fendi as an accessories designer though? And both he and MGC were instrumental in creating the Baguette bag?

I don't think he cared much to focus on the accessories at Valentino, as it was very much as Maison de Couture, which is what he focused on.

Valentino was desperate to get good accessories for the last decade though, they got lucky with their rockstuds, but it has been milked dry ages ago.

 

[90sfan]

honestly, who cares where PPP ends up. We just cant have Kim Jones in some other house ruining it to threads

 

[FashionPower]

I believe Fendi has that golden-yellow colour they use for packaging. They just never really pushed it as aggressively as Bottega Green or Pink PP in the marketing or merchandising though.

Last time they heavily used the Fendi yellow was in a Karl resort collection campaign featuring a yellow background and Natasha Poly standing next to a statue, very Kim Jones Fall Winter 2024 dare I say LOL

 

[FashionPower]

PPP at Fendi is death by a thousand paper cuts. Plus Fendi is a leather and accessories brand, and both are not PPP’s forte.

I think you guys are underestimating PPP in terms of accessories development. He did not make a Valentino book tote in terms of success, but he released at least 2 iconic accessories that had good success: the Loco bag and the Versace-esque Tan-go platform in pink PP and black for the Fall Winter 2022 show. So 1 iconic bag and 1 iconic shoe is enough for a brand that is not famous for leather goods. If you consider Dolce & Gabbana are struggling hard to make a new bag happen after the Sicily (which is not that successful whatsoever)...
Maria Grazia had her flops in bags too: the J'adior bags from her first show and those hideous sporty bowling bags
Kim Jones had flops too: Fendi C'mon, Fendigraphy too
It's hilarious to think at all the seasonal bags that had been dropped after 1 season

 

[Lola701]

The question of PPP doing accessories at Fendi is a non-issue as Silvia Fendi is responsible for the accessories. They will collaborate so it’s not an issue.
The question should be « how creative he will be ». Because obviously, when you compare the stuff she did with Karl to Kim, she is very contrived.
PPP started at Fendi, so hopefully, he understand the spirit of the house.

 

[tourbillions]

Wasnt michele close to getting fendi at some point due to his friendship with the house.... and now they are considering ppp who he replaced at valentino?

 

[PDFSD]

Yes she has never been pretentious or sounded intellectual or fashion savior a la Raf Simons or Demna...but to be that terrible after spending 30 YEARS as the right hand of the most skilled and influential creative director / designer OF ALL TIMES...come on. Virginie's tenure will always be remembered with one single word: MATRONLY.

How can you be nuanced on Frida ´s Gucci and be so one sided on VV ? lol

Call it what you like but she was a success period and no Creative Director have perfect styling or shows.

Chanel is not about sexy or being IG click bait and c*nty !!! it is MATRONLY and chic the codes are tweed suits and pearls and gold chain bags and two tone shoes and quilts and beige and camellias for god's sake.

 

[PDFSD]

Wasnt michele close to getting fendi at some point due to his friendship with the house.... and now they are considering ppp who he replaced at valentino?

He just said it in the BOF interview that came out he was approached to do Fendi by LVMH, and as i said before the interview it came out, he did not take it because he asked to remove Silva and her daughter and LVMH was not having it .......that was the deal breaker on both sides allegedly.

as mentioned also the before the interview was the rumoured lack of his Valentino cruise lookbook ....he also mentioned in his BOF interview now ...only the reason is different of what i heard lol