Racial Diversity In Modeling

[dizzytacks]

i dont think you read my post, i also said "i am constantly trying to learn more" and "i haven't decided what i think about racism", my first post was a comparison on how many black models there are to white models, and i dont think i need to explain the disparity, i think the fact that naomi is looking for more talent is the best remedy to this problem...

 

[dizzytacks]

my last statement was in response to your "ideal woman" which most likely media has socialized you to believe...

 

[kahlilg]

i dont think you read my post, i also said "i am constantly trying to learn more" and "i haven't decided what i think about racism", my first post was a comparison on how many black models there are to white models, and i dont think i need to explain the disparity, i think the fact that naomi is looking for more talent is the best remedy to this problem...

Ok

my last statement was in response to your "ideal woman" which most likely media has socialized you to believe...

Right. Which I am trying to fight constantly. However, you make it sound like I'm alone. It isn't a personal problem, it's a cultural one. Which means they have also socialized you. Unless you think you're invulnerable to that crap, in which case we disagree once again. Do you agree, or did I misunderstand you again?

 

[dizzytacks]

no i agree with you in the fact that it is totally a cultural issue, but, i have lived practically everywhere which makes me a little more sensitive to "race" issues, and i find beauty in people not there skin color, and i only surround myself with like minded individuals

 

[Joseph26]

At least she plans to do something about it rather than just complaining.

do u really believe she's going to do something? hello, in 1992 she did something similar and the next day she was intimiding Tyra Banks in a photoshot.

 

[Yanka]

yes i did say i agree that White people are the ones who can mostly afford what is being advertised in the magazine. but my point was that having a model of colour on the cover of a magazine wouldn't do them any harm, in fact it seems like it would be more beneficial. you get a bigger global audience, and if i was an advertiser, i'd want my product to be seen by everyone, regardless if they can buy it or not. it's the HYPE the EXPOSURE the AWARENESS of your product that will make the people who CAN afford it, want to buy it. do you think rich people would buy clothing from an unheard of designer...NO. so if more people pick up your magazine, a designer would want their advertisements to be featured in that magazine because they know that a lot of people will see their ads. they know they still need to advertise, and plus they have virtually no decision in choosing who goes on the cover of the magazine, it's the magazine itself who chooses what goes on it. advertisers for designers don't give a hoot who's on the cover and i highly doubt that they will compromise global exposure just because they don't want a black model, asian model, etc on the cover.

just because you feature a model of colour on the front of a magazine doesn't automatically mean that you are aiming at one audience, if anything it's a larger audience. i get your point about white people being more affluent, i'm not arguing that. i'm arguing that the audience should be broader since the times are changing and the magazine/fashion industry that are so good at making a change should change along with the world.

yeah, what you say is totally valid and fair on a human level but those magazines work differently. Im not trying to defend anyone, just saying people are there not to make the world a better place but to make money. Vogue can be entertaining and culturally enriching but basically, it is there to assist fashion business (or any other goods and services featured) to sell their clothes. Everything revolves around the advertiser. Have you noticed how Vogue NEVER critisises anything? Have you noticed how prominent advertisers are also featured in editorials more than the ones who don't advertise? It's not up to the editor to decide which direction to take, it takes the direction in which their magazine can make the most money. Big houses like Armani or Dior or Chanel know their clientale very well. THey don't need any more exposure, they are already household names. If there is a choice between attracting possible costumers from new socio groups with the risk of them not responding with their credit cards or keeping the old clients who they KNOW will buy big things every season, there is no doubt they'd go with the latter. They can't afford to make mistakes, simple as that. And no, advertising is not about attracting as many people as possible, it's about attracting the people who can either buy the goods or tell their parents / husbands to buy it for them. I can look at a Bently ad and say "what a nice car" but if I can't buy it, what use is it to Bently?

 

[Joseph26]

The difference between American Vogue and say Essence is that Vogue does not promote itself as a magazine emphasizing white-american models and white american-culture. Why?

white american models? hello but the ultimate US vogue model is brazilian ans her name is Caroline Trentini.

The moment when Vogue becomes more diverse is the moment when we won't need Essence anymore.

are u really expecting the hip-hop issue? the Bling-Bling Issue? with 50 CENT and Lil Kim on the cover modeling Chanel clothes?

 

[Joseph26]

yeah, what you say is totally valid and fair on a human level but those magazines work differently. Im not trying to defend anyone, just saying people are there not to make the world a better place but to make money. Vogue can be entertaining and culturally enriching but basically, it is there to assist fashion business (or any other goods and services featured) to sell their clothes. Everything revolves around the advertiser. Have you noticed how Vogue NEVER critisises anything? Have you noticed how prominent advertisers are also featured in editorials more than the ones who don't advertise? It's not up to the editor to decide which direction to take, it takes the direction in which their magazine can make the most money. Big houses like Armani or Dior or Chanel know their clientale very well. THey don't need any more exposure, they are already household names. If there is a choice between attracting possible costumers from new socio groups with the risk of them not responding with their credit cards or keeping the old clients who they KNOW will buy big things every season, there is no doubt they'd go with the latter. They can't afford to make mistakes, simple as that. And no, advertising is not about attracting as many people as possible, it's about attracting the people who can either buy the goods or tell their parents / husbands to buy it for them. I can look at a Bently ad and say "what a nice car" but if I can't buy it, what use is it to Bently?

bravo! karma!

 

[Joseph26]

the reason why there are race oriented magazines is because magazines such as VOGUE won't represent them

and why should Vogue represent us? I mean, I'm mexican and I'm not mad 'cause there are not mexican models on the US Vogue cover. If I'm interested in latin models I buy Vanidades and that's it, why all that hysteria?

it doesn't have to be an "obligation" as you said for magazines to put ethnic models on the cover, but the fact is that most of the time they are completely ignored.

yeah, and overweighted women are also ignored, and women who are not rich too, my grandmother is also being ignored by Vogue 'cause she no longer young OMG! she has to appear on the cover NOW!

it's time for a change, and if there are people who continually accept the norm then nothing in the world would have ever changed!!!!!!

I mean, H-E-L-L-O it's Vogue, a fashion magazine, it's not the end of the world.

 

[silk skin paws]

I agree with Naomi and fake or not there's truth in this. Fashion right now is very for the lack of a better word European and it will remain that way until a new it girl comes along and changes things. There was more diversity from the 90's and even early 2000 era and now it's almost like a step back.

 

[jollyvixen]

are u really expecting the hip-hop issue? the Bling-Bling Issue? with 50 CENT and Lil Kim on the cover modeling Chanel clothes?

I can't believe you are associating all blacks with hip-hop. Now that is just plain ignorant.

 

[jollyvixen]

and why should Vogue represent us? I mean, I'm mexican and I'm not mad 'cause there are not mexican models on the US Vogue cover. If I'm interested in latin models I buy Vanidades and that's it, why all that hysteria?

Because why should different "race" groups have to have their OWN magazines?

yeah, and overweighted women are also ignored, and women who are not rich too, my grandmother is also being ignored by Vogue 'cause she no longer young OMG! she has to appear on the cover NOW!

You really don't get it, do you? Take a good look at the population of America. Blacks and Mexicans are a huge slice of it. Not to mention that the majority of women don't wear a size two either.

 

[jollyvixen]

it's your opinion but i find it more "jarring" when i see a white european model being transformed with make-up into looking Asian or some other ethnicity for an editorial concept. why not just get an Asian model? it just goes to show that we aren't as accepting as we believe to be.

Even more disturbing is when white models are painted up and tanned to look darker.

One of the first editorials I ever saw of Daria Werbowy was called "haute exotica," which featured clothing from "far-flung places." Her skin and hair was darkened to go with the mood. Even in this instance, an ethnic model wasn't used. But yet, nobody complains about this or finds this "jarring."

Nothing against Daria of course, I really like her.

 

[ChristionCouture]

Yanka, what country are you from? Blacks are not a minority, they are a majority and live all over the world. Asians and Blacks are the largest races in the world.

Contrary to popular belief, all Blacks are not poor. Blacks spend major money on clothes, hair and beauty products. A lot of Blacks don't read Vogue, Elle, or etc. because there aren't any Blacks in the friggin' magazine!! This turns them off and that's why they don't buy the clothes. Remember the big Tommy Hillfiger rumor? Tommy doesn't want Blacks to wear his clothes. There were too many Blacks were his clothes. Blacks were his bread and butter. He featured Blacks in his ad campaigns and it was HUGE in the Black community....until that nasty rumor started going around. He even went on the Oprah show to clear it up.

I'm completely perplexed by the lack of Asian presence in high fashion publications.Their Asian markets are their bread and butter! Asians are THE largest race in the world. Not only are they the largest in the world, but they are the fastest growing in the United States. So why aren't there any Asians on US VOGUE? I'm perplexed!

 

[Joseph26]

Because why should different "race" groups have to have their OWN magazines?

why not? their necessities are covered better, if I were black I would be proud to have Ebony and Essence, "those are your Vogues, be happy"

Being obssesed for attention of Vogue is like having low self-esteem, wishing and wanting what people of other race have is envious, not correct.

I'm proud to be latin and I don't want my Mexican culture covered by Vogue,I'm pretty sure it would be bad done so I'm happy with our own magazines, it's like the Grammys, the latin categories were not aired and latin artists were not happy, what happened? the latin grammys arrieved, we also have Mtv Latin, Latin American Idol, Desperate Housewives Latin America, Latin Vogue! etc, etc that's for us, customized for us.

and If I prefer to consume things intended for other race/culture I have to accept them how they are, period.

 

[ChristionCouture]

why not? their necessities are covered better, if I were black I would be proud to have Ebony and Essence, "those are your Vogues, be happy"

Being obssesed for attention of Vogue is like having low self-esteem, wishing and wanting what people of other race have is envious, not correct.

I'm proud to be latin and I don't want my Mexican culture covered by Vogue,I'm pretty sure it would be bad done so I'm happy with our own magazines, it's like the Grammys, the latin categories were not aired and latin artists were not happy, what happened? the latin grammys arrieved, we also have Mtv Latin, Latin American Idol, Desperate Housewives Latin America, Latin Vogue! etc, etc that's for us, customized for us.

and If I prefer to consume things intended for other race/culture I have to accept them how they are, period.

Um excuse me? I buy almost every issue of Latin Vogue and I'm not Latin. Does that mean I want what you have? No! Does that mean I have low self-esteem? Hell no! Guess what? When I open any Spanish/Latina high fashion magazine, I usually see white people and a couple of Blacks. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[Joseph26]

So why aren't there any Asians on US VOGUE? I'm perplexed!

'cause there is Vogue Nippon, Korea and China, enjoy!

www.vogue.co.jp
www.vogue.co.kr
www.vogue.com.cn

 

[ChristionCouture]

Why should an Asian American have to track down a magazine from another country? They are the largest growing race in the US. You do realize that not all Asians speak and read asian languages? Do you also realize that White people are featured more on the covers of the magazines you listed?

 

[Joseph26]

Um excuse me? I buy almost every issue of Latin Vogue and I'm not Latin. Does that mean I want what you have?

yes, if you are obssesed and desperated 'cause you want american culture in Latin magazines, yes!


if not don't worry, you are just an admirer of our culture, congratulations!!!

Guess what? When I open any Spanish/Latina high fashion magazine, I usually see white people and a couple of Blacks. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

UH? what color skin are u expecting to see in mexicans? GUESS WHAT? I inform you that there are tons of mexicans with white skin, the most of mexican pop-mainstream artists are whites, Thalia, Paulina Rubio, Luis Miguel ........

 

[Joseph26]

Why should an Asian American have to track down a magazine from another country?

they don't have to do it, there are [SIZE=-1]Lifestyle magazines for Asian American, it doesn' have to be Vogue right?

I recommend you
[/SIZE]AudreyMagazine.com
JadeMagazine.com
WomanIntl.com
13minutesmag.com/

pick your fav one!