Racial Diversity In Modeling

[smartarse]

^ ^ unless, you go to a Prada boutique for purchase and you were discriminated based on your skin color, then you have every right to speak up about it and inform the public. because this is unacceptable and the industry should listen and take action.

 

[LostInNJ]

^ unless, you go to a Prada boutique for purchase and you were discriminated based on your skin color, then you have every right to speak up about it and inform the public. because this is unacceptable and the industry should listen and take action.

I think you are missing my point, but it's ok.

 

[CharlottefromCA]

Celebrities act as billboards for designers.. free advertising in a way, and publicists act as the messenger between celebs and designers..

so if Lauryn Hill's publicist tried to get Prada on her and they were dismissed by the brand. why on earth would she then go to a store to purchase Prada for Lauryn Hill?

Its not a matter of wearing prada on a day to day basis.. it was probably for an event where there would be photographers and such.. its not like Lauryn was just trying to get freebies..

 

[smartarse]

I think you are missing my point, but it's ok.

i'm sorry that post wasn't in response to you. the thread is moving in a fast pace it seems B)

what was your question?

 

[electricladyland]

can I clear a few things up?

East LA is predominantly latino, what's all this about black girls from east LA?

Universities hardly disregard grades when enrolling students of any ethnicity...unless of course they get an athlete or the child of someone who donates generously to the school. Those are special admits who get in regardless of grades...everyone else has to meet the requirements.

Prada allowing black people to buy Prada does not mean they are not racist...just looking out for the economic bottom line. Prada excluding models of color is clearly discriminatory and racist and given script girl's experiences, Prada seems to have a policy of discrimination that is indeed racist. I won't be buying any Prada.

people bleaching their skin...even if they live in all black areas is not a sign of black aesthetic/or a black standard of beauty. Even people in predominately black communities are part of a larger society that bases beauty on a white standard.

Tyra Banks telling girls not to "talk ghetto" is clearly based on a mainstream/commercial (read white) standard of self-expression. Interestingly one person accused of talking "ghetto" was danielle who is not from the ghetto; she was from the country and therefore if anything she spoke "country."

kahlilg--

 

[CharlottefromCA]

Thank You!

 

[jjbunny79]

well to be honest the only thing that attrach me to prada is sasha p., and for a period of time russian is not consider as white, therefore i cant really pay attention to prada anyways.... (they are new collection is by all mean hideous...)

 

[smartarse]

can I clear a few things up?

East LA is predominantly latino, what's all this about black girls from east LA?

i wasn't sure if it's east LA or South LA. however, i know it's not Los Angeles: Westwood, west Hollywood etc. Sorry, i'm not a Cali girl. B)

as for Prada if people feel that way, then stop buying anything Prada, genuine or knockoffs and that includes accessories. stop praising what model will take the campaign and the like.

 

[smartarse]

oh better yet, complain to Vogue US that you do not tolerate racism in their magazine to which Prada (adverts) represents. if you have already then pass it along to more people. the internet is a good thing.B)

 

[rubydon]

it's a big fat free world, and i don't believe in governing other people's choices. if a label doesn't use black models and that makes me unhappy, then i don't buy their products. it's that simple. no whining, no complaining - just decisive action.

there are lots of labels out there that are more inclusive. i put my money and my focus on them, instead of constantly harping on the negative.

 

[scriptgirl]

I live in LA-East LA is in LA and it is part of LA, therefore it IS LA

 

[electricladyland]

hence the name...East LA because it is the eastern part of LA. South LA is the southern part of LA. Westwood is west LA and West Hollywood is HOT B) but not LA.

 

[J'ador-DioR]

it's a big fat free world, and i don't believe in governing other people's choices. if a label doesn't use black models and that makes me unhappy, then i don't buy their products. it's that simple. no whining, no complaining - just decisive action.

I agree with this. For me this extends to magazines aswell. I don't invest in British Vogue for instance because of the fact that Alexandra Shulman's idea of "diversity" is using a black/asian model once every 6 years...in an editorial that is

 

[MeMe7]

someone said that america is 80% white and im not american but I remember reading a statistics report or seeing something on tv somewhere that the biggest group of people in america are hispanic people? anyways i like what rubydon said, don't support them if you dont like what the company stands for.

 

[L0VE]

someone said that america is 80% white and im not american but I remember reading a statistics report or seeing something on tv somewhere that the biggest group of people in america are hispanic people? anyways i like what rubydon said, don't support them if you dont like what the company stands for.

To clear this up, hispanics are the largest "ethnic" group, although to get technical I never really got that because hispanics are white (spain, portugal, cuba, etc.)

The U.S. population's racial distribution in 2006 was as follows:[12]

• White alone (including people of Middle Eastern background 73.9% or 221.3 million
• Black or African American alone: 12.4% or 37.1 million
• Asian alone: 4.4% or 13.1 million
• American Indian or Alaska Native alone: 0.8% or 2.4 million
• Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander alone: 0.14% or 0.43 million
• Some other race alone: 6.3% or 19.0 million
• Two or more races: 2.0% or 6.1 million[13]

Each of the above categories includes people who identify their ethnicity as Hispanic or Latino.[14] U.S. federal law defines Hispanic or Latino as any person with ancestry from a Spanish-speaking Latin American country or Spain, regardless of race.[15]

• Hispanic or Latino of any race: 14.8% or about 44.3 million.[16]
  • White Hispanic - 23,154,516
  • Black Hispanic - 616,953
  • American Indian and Alaska Native - 333,880
  • Asian Hispanic - 154,694
  • Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander - 38,964
  • Some other race - 18,238,347
  • Two or more races - 1,714,924

I think most international magazines put more of their own heritage on the covers. Example russian vogue, russians are white and therefore cator to and most of the time use Russian models (not all but most of the time.) If there was an african vogue, they would probably cator more towards african models. It's just what type of models are at the agency in the country. If an agency has a lot of one race, then the magazines or designers may not like the way one of the black or asian or other type of heritage, walks etc. and therefore don't have any more to choose from. The other magazines might have the same idea or might not even think of race when it comes to covers, I'm just guessing.

 

[L0VE]

Agency wise, there are
3 black models at NY management (editorial)
1 at DNA
5 at IMG
1 at women


(It's who they are sending out too. Designers need girls to actually choose from.)

I mean if we're going to call prada "racist" then explain why I haven't seen a black model at BCBG, Vera Wang, ETC. It's who is at the agencies and above the two top agencies only have 1 black model. Maybe you should look towards agencies. And models.com is run by a black guy, maybe you should write to him.

 

[electricladyland]

I think most international magazines put more of their own heritage on the covers. Example russian vogue, russians are white and therefore cator to and most of the time use Russian models (not all but most of the time.) If there was an african vogue, they would probably cator more towards african models. It's just what type of models are at the agency in the country. If an agency has a lot of one race, then the magazines or designers may not like the way one of the black or asian or other type of heritage, walks etc. and therefore don't have any more to choose from. The other magazines might have the same idea or might not even think of race when it comes to covers, I'm just guessing.

If a magazine is international then why is it catering to its own "heritage." To me, all the various Vogues look hopelessly alike the only difference being the language in which it is written. If we went truly went international then whites would be in the minority. I wish the various fashion mags would represent their country's heritage more. But in terms of models, designers, etc., you usually see the same faces. This issue is argued elsewhere on this forum and constantly seems to crop up whether we are talking designers choosing models for shows or ad campaigns or magazines choosing models for editorials. Clearly the issue is ubiquitous in the fashion industry as it is elsewhere.

 

[electricladyland]

I'm american to me the phrase is outside the US.
From wikipedia:
In American English, "International" is also commonly used to signify "outside of the country".

I'm American too. And that definition of international seems to justify why so many other people from other nations think we are a bit xenophobic and isolationist (amongst other things).

RandomHouse gave me this definition for international:

1. between or among nations; involving two or more nations: international trade. 2.of or pertaining to two or more nations or their citizens: a matter of international concern. 3.pertaining to the relations between nations: international law. 4.having members or activities in several nations: an international organization. 5.transcending national boundaries or viewpoints: an international benefit; an international reputation. –noun 6.(initial capital letter

) any of several international socialist or communist organizations formed in the 19th and 20th centuries. Compare First International, Second International, Third International, Fourth International, Labor and Socialist International. 7.(sometimes initial capital letter

) a labor union having locals in two or more countries. 8.an organization, enterprise, or group, esp. a major business concern, having branches, dealings, or members in several countries. 9.an employee, esp. an executive, assigned to work in a foreign country or countries by a business or organization that has branches or dealings in several countries.
I try not to get all my info from wikipedia.

 

[smartarse]

how is this a Prada Controversy, may i ask?


* by the way i was trying to say South Central Los Angeles in prior postsB)

 

[Atelier]

The topic isn't who knows more about Los Angeles. Keep this discussion focused and non-personal. And don't repeat yourselves please. Be aware there's a very good chance no one is going to convince anyone else of anything here and saying it again won't work. Thank you and in the words of Tim Gunn, "carry on."