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I agreed with your earlier post. "That "ethnicity" or "race" doesnt represent any sort of "taste".
If anyone really think certain group of people only represent a particular "taste", then that person must be very narrow minded

btw anyone ever notice there not too much central asian or arabic models on catwalk?"
 
I am very happy that this issue is being discussed and brought out into the open. I sincerely hope that things will change in the near future and I will see more women of color represented on the runways and in the magazines.

There is another issue I would like to see discussed as well-the lack of African-Americans in the upper echelons of the industry-as famous designers, CEO's, etc. The handful that are there are rarely mentioned and don't seem to get the same recognition or respect as their counterparts.
 
Just thought I would mention phillip lim uses lots of afrian american models in his show.
 
i don't know why naomi chose to bring this issue to light, or if she's using this problem to only help herself. but regardless, there is a major diversity issue in the fashion world. if naomi is a racist, well thats a shame. but i hope her actions do not convince others that giving blacks (or any minorities) a chance at modeling is a bad idea.
 
a reminder to please stay on topic...
naomi's recent arrest has it's own thread in rumour has it...
 
back to the topic:
I think stereotype of different groups of people its also a big issue in this thing.
If people picture only "white" girls can be suited for "default" high fashion, the problem still exist.

Just look at the "East Asian" models in the fashion industry, to be honest they are only hired for a certain look, there is lack of diversity and they are hired due to their "exotic asian beauty", which is branched from "western" idea of "Orientalism". The standard on hiring "the default white (esp w. european) girls" is relatively different from other groups of people.
 
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I think stereotype of different groups of people its also a big issue in this thing.
If people picture only "white" girls can be suited for "default" high fashion, the problem still exist.

Just look at the "East Asian" models in the fashion industry, to be honest they are only hired for a certain look, there is lack of diversity and they are hired due to their "exotic asian beauty", which is branched from "western" idea of "Orientalism". The standard on hiring "the default white (esp w. european) girls" is relatively different from other groups of people.

Yeah...most of the (East) Asian models are kinda weird looking...though most "pretty" (East) Asian girls seem to have more of a commercial look than "fashion", IMHO.
 
funny that you mention that... :innocent:
Model Minority: How Women’s Magazines Whitewash Different Ethnicities

by Guest Contributor Alex Alvarez, originally published at Guanabee
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Associate Editor Alex Alvarez, befuddled to find that her boobs and hips, or lack thereof, seem to fall in and out fashion like leggings and stirrup pants and poppers, takes a look at the American women’s magazine industry in an attempt to decipher just how, exactly, they can get away with telling women their bodies are ok - if only they’d look more like white girls. (Take The Quiz On Page 62!)
My name is Alex Alvarez. And I hate women’s magazines.
Don’t get me wrong: I like fashion and I’ve worked at several magazines over the past couple of years. I can talk about Courrèges and Two Girls, One Cup in the same breath. But so many women’s magazines, both “fashion” mags like Glamour and Vogue and “sexy” mags like Cosmo and Horse & Hound do women so much more harm than good.
Women’s magazines have long been accused of creating a standard of beauty that will forever be just out of the grasp of most women - prompting them, of course, to wait until next month’s issue for more advice on how to be perfect. (Hint! Transplant your face with this other face.) Selling women this promise not only keeps magazines on newsstands and subscriptions in the mail, it also helps appease the real driving force behind all magazines — advertisers and Satan. And what women end up purchasing is cosmetic “whiteness.” You know you’ve made it, baby, when you wake up looking like you faceplanted on Plymouth Rock.
In this feature, I’ll take a look at women from four, over-simplified ethnic or racial backgrounds and see just how, exactly, magazines are ****ing them all up. Then, after a few dozen sex quizzes and several minutes of trying to figure out how you can both “Love Your Body!” and orient yourself on the latest “Plastic Surgery Tips Every Woman Should Know!” without wanting to gag yourself on an exclamation point, I’ll give the magazine industry a few tips on how to talk to women.
Latina
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Brief Overview: Latinas are portrayed as being sultry and seductive. They can get away with playing the “bad girl,” possibly because they are allowed - and even encouraged - to have more overtly sexual bodies, with an emphasis on curves, dark eyes and bright, plump, shiny, slick, wet lips shown in loving close-ups, usually while the face to which they’re attached is growling or purring or doing something else that’s totally fierce. They also give better head. Oh. There goes my attempt at subtlety.
The ideal: Jennifer Lopez
Hair: Often enough, Latinas have “big hair” with lots of volume, possibly as a middle ground among the various hair textures found among Latinas of different races.
Skin: Latinas are often depicted as having an olive complexion, with lighter or darker generally ignored or unmentioned by mainstream media.
***: Big, round. Makes a “ka-ching ka-ching” sound when bouncing in time to a song about cars and beach houses.
Breasts: While Latinas are generally depicted with large backsides, breast size is allowed to vary. As long as they’re big.
How magazines ****ed up: “Latina” is not a race. It’s a diverse group made of many racial, ethnic and religious groups. Some who don’t even look like J-Lo. Additionally, women can’t have it both ways. While Latinas have been “en vogue” for a period of time, certain celebrated icons of “Latina beauty,” such as Jennifer Lopez and Salma Hayek, have whittled down their once-celebrated curvy figures as the years have gone by. Wait until Jennifer loses all that baby weight. She’ll look so much better without Marc.

Black
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Brief Overview: While black women can come in a variety of shapes and complexions, those who are most often represented in mainstream American magazines are often, for lack of a better, equally descriptive phrase, “white-washed” in appearance. Features that are seen of characterized of black people, like curlier hair textures, wider noses and fuller lips, are often downplayed in American magazines, conforming to a white standard of beauty.
The ideal: Halle Berry
Hair: There was quite a controversy surrounding a Glamour magazine article that portrayed “ethnic” hairstyles, such as afros and cornrows, as being inappropriate for the workplace. This works to politicize the black body, hair included, and also upholds the standard that in order to be neutral, apolitical and inoffensive in the public sphere, one must become as white as possible. As such, many black women in magazines have relaxed hair, extensions and weaves.
Skin: Lighter-skinned black women are more often represented in magazines than those who are darker complected.
***: While black women are “allowed” to be more overtly sexual than those who are white, many “high fashion” black models are quite thin and thus their backsides are smaller and the object of less focus than black women represented in other areas of mainstream entertainment. Like in any rap video that airs after midnight in between commercials for “Girls Gone Wild: Preschool Edition.”
Breasts: The more high fashion the magazine, the less busty the models. After all, even your eyeballs’ll look fat in a Hervé Léger bandaid dress.
How magazines ****ed up: While Halle Berry is a stunningly attractive woman, she happens to have a white mother. And while Latinas are allowed to “fiery” and “seductive,” the magazine and fashion industry seem confused about how, exactly, to portray black women, choosing instead to whitewash them and choose only light-skinned women with whittled-down figures, or very dark “exotic beauties” that are treated more like sculptural objects than flesh and blood women.
Asian
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Brief Overview: Asian women hold a curious place in the beauty stratum. Often, what is perceived as their “natural” physical traits are encouraged and often emulated by White women trying to achieve a certain standard of beauty. The idea of a natural physical ideal is a harmful one, because those who do not possess such traits are ignored or considered somehow inferior, physically. The Asian ideal, as perceived by American fashion magazines and elsewhere, revolves around the idea that one must be petite, slim, fair and delicate. Doll-like would be the best way to describe this ideal, both in terms of physical appearance and attitude.
The ideal: Ziyi Zhang
Hair: Straight. What was interesting to me, actually, was that a former Korean roommate of mine had all these magazines that featured girls with curly hair all dyed a sort of reddish color. Seriously, every. Single. Girl. In her magazines had the exact same hairstyle. She also had one magazine dedicated to Japanese girls who wanted to emulate the style of American Black women -this included wearing afros. Also interesting? Girls in Japanese and Korean magazines are generally much, much thinner than in American ones.
Skin: Clear, light. Although there are many, many ethnic groups prevalent throughout Asia, only porcelain-skinned girls find representation in American fashion mags.
***: N/A
Breasts: N/A
How magazines ****ed up: Some Asian girls are chubby. Really! Some are muscular, some are tall, some are dark, some are doughy, and some are boney and awkward.
White
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Brief Overview: The gold standard of white beauty is a woman who is thought of as being the least “ethnic” and most “neutral” as possible. Fair skin, fair hair and thin, often lacking in curves that would be considered vulgar or distasteful (or exotic?) the stereotype of corn-fed Midwestern girls or sun-kissed, muscular athletic girls are eschewed for fair, tall, boney girls - often with what is described as a “boyish” figure, one without the tell-tale markers of womanhood - hips, ***. Personality.
The ideal: Gwyneth Paltrow
Hair: Hairstyle changes with the season but barring avant-garde styling, styles are usually pretty tame, alternating from loose ringlets to super-straight, shiny, sleek hairstyles. Comes in a variety of haircolors, again, depending on the season.
Skin: Pale or tan, depending on the season and the style of the photoshoot. Like to mix colonialism and cultural oppression with your couture? Bring a healthy glow!
***: N/A
Breasts: Depends. In magazines focused on middle to upper-middle class women, breasts are often normal to large. In high-fashion magazines, however, fuller bustlines are used to indicate “plus-size” or “seductive” women like Eva Mendes, not necessarily elegant or stylish ones.
How magazines ****ed up: There’s been a long tradition of a “fight for white,” meaning that various ethnic groups over the years have had to struggle for the chance to be seen as normal and neutral. Irish-Americans, for example, who are today almost synonymous with the concept of what it means to be white (fevered dancing without the use of hips or shoulders, the consumption of potatoes), were very much “the other” for a very, very long time in America. Jewish and Italian Americans were also not always considered white folks here in the old U.S. of A. This isn’t mentioned to encourage anyone to wait whiteness out, it’s meant to highlight the fact that whiteness is a culturally manufactured concept and is only given meaning by a certain segment of society in a certain slice of history.
Sigh. What can you do? Well, for one, you can stop reading fashion magazines.
No, ok, calm your *** down. (Ooh! See what I did there?) And remove your stiletto from my cornea. You can still celebrate fashion and enjoy girlyness without conforming to patriarchal and Anglo-centric standards of beauty. There are some magazines out there that will let you know you’re fine, and even beautiful, exactly as you are without telling you to lose five pounds in three days to fit into a bathing suit you can’t afford. Dig around. Put effort into being a consumer, and be discerning in your taste. Women make up the majority of the U.S. population; it’s not far-fetched to say we drive a lot of the economy. So why do we give up all our power to the beauty and fashion industries, only to be rewarded with the idea that we’re still not good enough? These standards and fads only have meaning if you elect to give it to them.

Latoya’s Note: In the comments to the original post, Alex addresses something that appears to be an omission in her piece:
I purposefully used these four, generalized groups because these are found most often in mainstream media / American fashion magazines. Your statement on not being able to find Middle Eastern or South Asian women in such magazines is exactly why I chose not to include these groups in my feature. It’s the same reason I didn’t include, say, Native American women or ethnic groups in China who didn’t fit the “pale, small” stereotype.
Additionally, I did not mean to include South Asian women under the “Asian” header at all, on purpose, because there is almost always a distinction in popular culture and language between “Asian” and “South Asian.”
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Anyway I think it's a funny issue that addresses how women of color are represented in fashion magazines versus white women. I agree that we should be trying to find magazines that not only let people, particularly women, be who they want to be, but still celebrates, accepts, and challenges the fashion industry. Does anyone know of any "progressive" fashion/art/culture magazines?
 
funny that you mention that... :innocent:
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Anyway I think it's a funny issue that addresses how women of color are represented in fashion magazines versus white women. I agree that we should be trying to find magazines that not only let people, particularly women, be who they want to be, but still celebrates, accepts, and challenges the fashion industry. Does anyone know of any "progressive" fashion/art/culture magazines?

Nope, but I know of progressive designers such as:

TLE Designs

I wonder when designers like her will be in major mags. Probably never, because mags don't want to see short girls (other than actresses and singers) in editorials.

I also want to note that fair skin would probably still be considered an important beauty feature in Asia even if Europeans and Hollywood never invaded. People don't seem to understand that.
 
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I also want to note that fair skin would probably still be considered an important beauty feature in Asia even if Europeans and Hollywood never invaded. People don't seem to understand that.

the reason many people dont understand this because constantly confuse fuse the so-calll "black/white/yellow" race with actually skin colour.
(like that "yellow skin, black hair and black eyes" concept that many E. Asian people is constantly BS-ing about).
... I used to remember a magazine talking about an African-American girl who got albinism and she feel that she is too "white" to be black due to her skin colour... Albinism is a medication/genetic condition, there is nothing to do with you race.....

but then again, it call come backs to stereotypes...
 
It's so true , I realise she isn't a model but Cameron Diaz , blonde blue eyes the typical California surfer chick. Only her second name is DIAZ.

Her father is Cuban. Jessica Alba's father is second generation Mexican.

Look at how Jessica Alba is treated in the media compared to Cameron Diaz. Very differently.

And all because Jessica fufills that "latina" stereotype more than Cameron does.
 
Personally, i don't have a problem with white models being featured more frequently than any other races (i'm asian btw), it's a matter of the model's ability to fit well into the image and the look that the particular issue/magazine is going for. after all, fashion is all about image and style and if a white model can bring it across asthetically better than a black/asian/etc model, why not go for her? this is not to say that whites are asthetically better looking, don't misunderstand me.

i don't see the point in arguing about how certain races get side-lined for modeling jobs because it's beyond us to change certain things. (just like any other problem that occurs in societies like the rich-poor income gap, the root of it is similar). it's what society does, there is bound to be stuff like that going on and it's difficult for us to try and change things because it's been so ingrained in society for such a long time. we have been trying, things are getting better but these things take time, a lot of time- to change.

maybe when the demography for luxury items shifts from the vast majority of whites to maybe a more balanced one between different races then will we see more diversity from the models being featured on high fashion magazines.
till then, i'm quite satisfied with what i've been seeing in the issues of vogue that i've bought thank you very much.
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Ever heard of the civil rights movement? Google it.

FYI: The demographic trends in the luxury industry have changed significantly within the past 10 years. Regardless, that is not the reason behind this lack of non-white models. There were loads of black models on the catwalks during the late 80's and 90's. Non-whites have sold clothes for years. Just ask Mr Yves Saint Laurent.
 
A lil' off topic, but I don't think that the ideal is to look like white women necessarily, but more like somewhere in between all the "races". Most white people I know don't have long legs, which is a stereotypical trait of black people; most white people are not stick thin, most (and I understand not all, but in my experience most, and I've lived in Asia a portion of my life) Asian women are; and the color ideal in the US is a tannish color, for everyone, which most people do not have but if you mixed all the shades together you will get mean color of tan. It's not just a white ideal, it's just shoved down our throats, pictures of white people who happen to have the desired, actually multicultural traits, so we associate beauty with white.

On another note, I love this thread. If I ever get into an argument about diversity in advertising/fashion, I will have a lot to say.
 
That article is very interesting ,I agree with APERTUREROMANCE, I think a lot of this ideas are just plain with ignorance nothing more,for example someone called the other day Penelope Cruz "latina",I wonder if they would make the same mistake with Esther Canadas when both of them are racially white women, Esther just because is blond fits totally the white stereotype and Penelope just because is brunette and speaks spanish becomes some sort of "Latin sex bomb" and they get to the point of choosing a race for her.
 
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