Racial Diversity In Modeling

[fashionista-ta]

why not? their necessities are covered better, if I were black I would be proud to have Ebony and Essence, "those are your Vogues, be happy"

Being obssesed for attention of Vogue is like having low self-esteem, wishing and wanting what people of other race have is envious, not correct.

I'm proud to be latin and I don't want my Mexican culture covered by Vogue,I'm pretty sure it would be bad done so I'm happy with our own magazines, it's like the Grammys, the latin categories were not aired and latin artists were not happy, what happened? the latin grammys arrieved, we also have Mtv Latin, Latin American Idol, Desperate Housewives Latin America, Latin Vogue! etc, etc that's for us, customized for us.

and If I prefer to consume things intended for other race/culture I have to accept them how they are, period.

How do we know what race/culture US Vogue is intended for? Do you know something I don't? I would think the audience would be English-literate North American women?

I also don't think I have to accept anything as it is--and neither does anyone else. I may not be able to change things I don't have direct control of, but if I have valid feedback and withhold it, I'm not helping make things better.

I subscribe to US Vogue, and I think it's improved over the past few years in terms of diversity--not just race and ethnicity, but size and shape and all the other things that make us different.

As a white woman, I straddle the fence ... I'm in the ethnic majority in this country (I think I still am ... ), but I have been in the minority in the workplace, and as a woman you always get the flavor of that experience, regardless of your skin color

And so I absolutely believe that when you're in the majority, you need to challenge yourself ... to see and understand other viewpoints, other ideals, other approaches, other personalities, other perspectives ... Other period. This applies to US Vogue, and millions of other endeavors. I think everyone should do this, but when you're on top, it's easy to get lazy. When you get lazy, it probably means you won't be on top for long

 

[Joseph26]

Joseph26, isn't it true that the Mexican celebrities do not represent the general Mexican population in regards to race?

it's true, the entertainment world in mexico is dominated by white people, I would say the 95%, all the soap operas heroes and heroines are white, if you live in US you can check it out watching UNIVISION.

BUT if you visit Mexico we don't look like that people, our skin color is definitely not white, it's just that there are a lot of racism here in Mexico.

Our skin color is similar to this.


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source: www.csifanatic.com

 

[eternitygoddess]

My bet is that this thread will very soon be shut down by mods.

 

[mellowdrama]

Funny and thoughtful article in Vis.a.Vis Magazine, "It's Not Easy Being a White Girl in Miami" by Lyn Millner:

http://www.visavismag.com/content/view/37/141/

When I look at Glamour or Vogue, I want to look like the models. I try to pay attention to the clothes - what shoes had she put with that kind of skirt? How had she accessorized? But instead I get drawn in by her arresting eyes, which she directs sideways at me as if to say, "Actually, I am part-cat. I lounge around the house all day in my loose, white oxford shirt. Later, some friends of mine are coming over, and we're going to eat tapas and plan our trip to Bali. Don't you wish you could be this happy?" Or she is in the park, sharing an ice cream cone with a man who has gorgeous hair and who wears a navy V-neck tee that shows off his fabulous tan. They are not aware of me; they are laughing hard at something he just said. They touch each other in a way that is intimate and happy, so instead of taking notes on what she's wearing, I decide I want her life. I look nothing like her, but maybe with a little help . . . just a few changes. Perhaps if I had her sheer berry lipstick or her purely porcelain face. I want, I think, but it's not so much a thought as a visceral desire. I want. And this is precisely what the advertisers are divining for. I want to go to The Gap.

If you are a woman of color reading this, I know what you are thinking:

"We've had to look at your honky *** on the covers of magazines forever. Where do you get off?"

Yes, the white woman has been the standard of classic beauty against which all others are judged. But this isn't true anymore. You'd have to bury your head in the Palm Beach sand to believe that. Now, white girls are adjusting to not having what shouldn't have been "ours" in the first place. Living in Miami is the quickest antidote. Every white woman should have to do a residency here. It's damn humbling.

Read the whole article, it's great.

 

[Joseph26]

How do we know what race/culture US Vogue is intended for? Do you know something I don't?

what about checking the history of USA Vogue?

http://www.fashion-iconography.net/Covers-VogueUS.htm

And so I absolutely believe that when you're in the majority, you need to challenge yourself ... to see and understand other viewpoints, other ideals, other approaches, other personalities, other perspectives ... Other period. This applies to US Vogue, and millions of other endeavors. I think everyone should do this, but when you're on top, it's easy to get lazy. When you get lazy, it probably means you won't be on top for long

congratulations! you are really a great human being, as a latino I'm constantly discriminated but I'm not unhappy 'because of that, simply I don't pay attention to that kind of people. and it's really great to know about people like you

 

[gius]

joseph26 please remember to add credits to images you post
tfs policy

 

[Joseph26]

joseph26 please remember to add credits to images you post
tfs policy

I forgot it it's from www.csifanatic.com

 

[writergal28]

they don't have to do it, there are [SIZE=-1]Lifestyle magazines for Asian American, it doesn' have to be Vogue right?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]I recommend you[/SIZE]
AudreyMagazine.com
JadeMagazine.com
WomanIntl.com
13minutesmag.com/

pick your fav one!

Audrey isn't that great. In fact, I think the mag sux. In Canada, Audrey and other mags are difficult to find, even cities like Vancouver and Toronto (I've seen them at a few Chapters or Indigo stores, usually in Markham or Richmond and even then, they only have a few issues), where there are LOTS of Asians. At the same time, you see Essence and Ebony virtually everywhere, even in more Vanilla (white) and Lemonade (Asian) areas. I guess Asians are less likely to mind the lack of Asian precense in media?

 

[Yanka]

Yanka, what country are you from? Blacks are not a minority, they are a majority and live all over the world. Asians and Blacks are the largest races in the world.

I am half Serbian half Ukranian and I lived all over Europe, don't really have a home right now, so I guess I can't speak about US. I don't think anyone on this board actually argues wether black or other ethnicities should be represented in High Fashion mags. Of course they should be. But reality is often different. I think only when we going to see proportional numbers of black people getting in prestiogous colleges, schools, having a high-paid job in all industry spectrum, are we going to see numbers if featured black models rise.

 

[bismarck]

none of the Asians in my area think that being a celebrity, actress, singer, whatever is that good/respectable of a career. My dad looks down on all musicians, an attitude that he carried over from China. More scholarly pursuits are where it's at. If most Asian Americans and Asian Canadians are like that, then I can see why we wouldn't have much representation in America or Canada.

 

[fashionista-ta]

what about checking the history of USA Vogue?

http://www.fashion-iconography.net/Covers-VogueUS.htm





congratulations! you are really a great human being, as a latino I'm constantly discriminated but I'm not unhappy 'because of that, simply I don't pay attention to that kind of people. and it's really great to know about people like you

Thank you, I try

I think what you're saying is that you're aware of discrimination, and you try to put your focus elsewhere. I think that's fine ... everyone is free to choose their own approach. But it's OK to question the status quo, no matter who you are. Who would have thought that Rosa Parks had power? But can we all ride in the front seat of the bus today, or not? Pure determination to see justice is very powerful.

And if enough of us want to see something different in US Vogue, we will see it.

 

[kimair]

didn't you feel represented with the latest Lyia Kebede/Jennifer Hudosn covers?

are you serious?
two covers in how many years in 2-3 years?
and i wasn't even thinking about covers, but also editorials...

whatever...

 

[LeBelAge]

and why should Vogue represent us? I mean, I'm mexican and I'm not mad 'cause there are not mexican models on the US Vogue cover. If I'm interested in latin models I buy Vanidades and that's it, why all that hysteria?

Wow.

Then if Vogue has no desire to represent any other group beside white people, they should just stop fronting and put it right there on the cover, "Vogue, the Fashion Magazine for White People".

 

[Joseph26]

Wow.

Then if Vogue has no desire to represent any other group beside white people, they should just stop fronting and put it right there on the cover, "Vogue, the Fashion Magazine for White People".

that doesn't make sense, why should they do that? it's US Vogue, the mother of all the Vogues, if you like it how it is buy it, if not buy your ebony or other else.

 

[LeBelAge]

that doesn't make sense, why should they do that? it's US Vogue, the mother of all the Vogues,

It is "US Vogue, the mother of all the Vogues" as you said, and as such, since in the US we have various ethnicities, why should it only represent 1 ethnicity? That doesn't sense.

if you like it how it is buy it, if not buy your ebony or other else.

Since you think people should NOT tell Vogue magazine that they want more diversity, please similarily refrain from telling me what magazine I should buy. If I want to buy it and b*tch about it, I will.

Oh by the way, I DON'T buy Vogue. I leaf through it at my local library.

 

[JeanAvril]

that doesn't make sense, why should they do that? it's US Vogue, the mother of all the Vogues, if you like it how it is buy it, if not buy your ebony or other else.

Ebony? For fashion?! I would never buy Ebony for anything about fashion.

 

[anapaula]

seanutbutter, that's what I thought, too. But nonetheless, Asians are the third largest minority group in America, behind Hispanics and blacks. The site that I found says that "45 percent of children under age 5 are minorities"...I didn't know that, and it astounds me. By the time I have children, this country could be a completely different place because of it's new diversity. US Vogue should probably follow suit, not necessarily having 50% of models being Hispanic (very unrealistic for now), but at least trying for diversity. And US Vogue is relatively international, I think, at least compared to Harpers Bazaar and Instyle, so that would mean so much.
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2006/IntheNewsUSPopulationIsNowOneThirdMinority.aspx?p=1

Joseph26, isn't it true that the Mexican celebrities do not represent the general Mexican population in regards to race? Most of the Mexican celebrities are identifiably white, or very white looking mestizos, and according to the CIA World Factbook:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica..._groups.htmls/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html
or if you don't want to scroll:
http://www.indexmundi.com/mexico/ethnic_groups.html

And I don't know what Caroline Trentini's actual ethnic background is, but she is identifiably white; Brazilian doesn't automatically mean mixed or non-white.

Totally agree with kimair.

53% of Brazilians are white but white for us is not necessarily white in the US. We have a different view on what is white.

 

[carioca]

that doesn't make sense, why should they do that? it's US Vogue, the mother of all the Vogues, if you like it how it is buy it, if not buy your ebony or other else.

H-E-L-L-O she was being sarcastic about the title and KARMA for LeBelAge

i really don't understand why there's an argument about this. usually for the most part, people seem to embrace progress and diversity and it just sad to see how unwilling people are to change. honestly the real question is WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU (who disagree with the change) TO SEE A MODEL WHO IS NOT WHITE ON THE COVER OF A FASHION MAGAZINE?

and why should Vogue represent us? I mean, I'm mexican and I'm not mad 'cause there are not mexican models on the US Vogue cover. If I'm interested in latin models I buy Vanidades and that's it, why all that hysteria?

it's not about being interested in one RACE or culture, the point that is completely passing you is the fact that they are underrepresented. no one said that the magazine had to be about hispanic/black/asian/etc culture. it's a fashion magazine.

it's time for a change, and if there are people who continually accept the norm then nothing in the world would have ever changed!!!!!!

I mean, H-E-L-L-O it's Vogue, a fashion magazine, it's not the end of the world.

the point is, if there were more people like you who accept how things are then there would be no progress or change. if people decided to continue and accept slavery in the US, then there would be no change. if people decided to accept the Nazi movement and allow millions to be persecuted by Hitler, then we'd still have them around. if people accepted the apartheid and segregation in South Africa and the Souther US, then there would be no change. it takes a few people to rise up and to make things better. unless you prefer them to go back the way it is because it doesnt affect you or bother you?

 

[Zen]

These are all the "black" women US Vogue have had on their covers.

http://claycane.blogspot.com/2007/02/hudson-on-vogue.html

It is astonishing to see how minimal black women are on the cover of US Vogue. Many of them have very european features with lighter shade of skin. Most of them aren't even full 100% black.

 

[Joseph26]

Many of them have very european features with lighter shade of skin. Most of them aren't even full 100% black.

could you please post a picture of how a black woman should be featured on the cover? I'm really curious.