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I'd like Kerry to win, but I'm with youOriginally posted by Erin@Oct 6 2004, 09:40 PM
k, I can't wait till the election is over... I'm tired of all these stars endorsing politions... but that's just me
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Originally posted by CaptainJackSparrow@Oct 6 2004, 10:47 PM
I don't understand why people are so against celebrities speaking out about how they feel poliitically...they aren't MAKING anyone believe what they believe...they're just standing up for it
to me, the greater fault is having the power to bring notice to something you believe and NOT using it...i have much more respect for celebrities who stand up for their beliefs over those who only use their stardom to simply sell consumer products...where a celebrity promoting their latest fragrance is usually doing it to make money...celebrities who promote their beliefs are usually doing it to better the world (whether we agree with their belief or not)
sure, politics shouldn't be a "product" that is sold, but it deserves attention...i applaud those who bring attention to it... Yes, i want Kerry to win, but i would say the same thing about celebrities who support bush
as long as you respect beliefs that are different than yours, i think everyone should stand up for their own beliefs (whether you're a celebrity or not)
reach for the stars! and don't run with scissors!
belowen, thank you for those pictures
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i kind of see what you're saying...Originally posted by tiffany@Oct 6 2004, 11:17 PM
I actually agree - in that it is a worthy cause, and if you believe in a particular political view strongly (or you want to back a particular candidate) you should voice your opinions. It's just that with the elections so close there is so much media attention focused on it (and rightly so) that it seems to be everywhere - so it can get a little too much.
I didn't mean to undermine them supporting their candidate, sorry if it came out that way
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k, I can't wait till the election is over... I'm tired of all these stars endorsing politions... but that's just me
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I agree that it's starting to be overkill with the celebs and voting; but it is very important to be involved. I was sent this email today. A little long, but important if you are male or female 18-26 living in the US.
Guess what is QUIETLY being put through the House and Senate - a DRAFT
> starting 2005. If you are against this, you better pass this on
> IMMEDIATELY. I was not aware of this until I received this today.
>
>
> Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15,
> 2005, is something that everyone should know about.
>This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children
> that will have to go if this bill passes.
>
>There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills:
> S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft
> can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election.
> The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now,
> while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on
> this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.
>
>This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
> shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already
> been made very difficult.
>
Actions:
> Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all
> the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. .
> .
>And let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a
> powerful voice for change!
>
>This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at the
> following website:
>
>http://thomas.loc.gov/
> Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for
> you to read. It is less than two pages long.
>
> If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages
> 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no
> longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an
> agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the
> draft to stay within it's borders.
>
>This bill also includes the extension of military service for all
> those that are currently active.
>
>If you go to the select service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals
> you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of
> the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of
> legislation, this will effect our undergraduates, our children and our
> grandchildren.
>
> Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how
> you feel about this legislation.
>
>www.house.gov www.senate.gov
>
> Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't
> telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers
> and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this
> important story.
>
>The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service
> system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as
> early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on
> March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.
>
>
> Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective
> Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.
>
>The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350
> draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.
> Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and
> influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's
> prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and
> permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S.
> may have no choice
> but to draft.
>
www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp
> entitled the
> Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common
> defense by requiring that all young persons (age
> 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a
> period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and
> homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills
> currently sit in the committee on armed services.
>
>Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam
> era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 200 1,
> Canada and the
>
> U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep
> would-be draft dodgers in.
>
> Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S.
> Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30
> point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance
> agreement" of people entering and departing each country.
>
> Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and
> class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.
> Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current
> semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
>
>
> What to do: Tell your friends, Contact your legislators and ask them
> to oppose these bills
>
>Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip
> code.
> A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them directly. We
> cannot just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will go away. We must
> voice our concerns and create the world we want to live in for our
> children and grandchildren.
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