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"Before Models Can Turn Around, Knockoffs Fly"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/us/04fashion.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Buyers from the nation’s leading department stores will sift through the work of hundreds of designers as another Fashion Week begins today in New York, seeking the looks that shoppers will want to wear next spring. Seema Anand will be looking for the ones they want right now.
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Joe Fornabiaio for The New York Times
Seema Anand's firm makes clothes inspired by other designers.
Ms. Anand, who will be following the catwalk shows through photographs posted instantly on the Web, is a designer few would recognize, even though she has dressed more people than most of the famous designers exhibiting a few blocks from her garment district studio, under the tents in Bryant Park.
“If I see something on Style.com, all I have to do is e-mail the picture to my factory and say, ‘I want something similar, or a silhouette made just like this,’ ” Ms. Anand said. The factory, in Jaipur, India, can deliver stores a knockoff months before the designer version.
Ms. Anand compared a gold sequined tunic she created with a nearly identical one by the designer Tory Burch. Bloomingdale’s had asked her to make several hundred of the dresses for its private label Aqua, she said.
The Tory Burch dress sells for $750; Ms. Anand’s is $260.
Ms. Anand’s company, Simonia Fashions, is one of hundreds that make less expensive clothes inspired by other designers’ runway looks, for trendy stores like Forever 21 and retail behemoths like Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s.
A debate is raging in the American fashion industry over such designs. Copying, which has always existed in fashion, has become so pervasive in the Internet era it is now the No. 1 priority of the Council of Fashion Designers of America, which is lobbying Congress to extend copyright protection to clothing. Nine senators introduced a bill last month to support the designers. An expert working with the designers’ trade group estimates that knockoffs represent a minimum of 5 percent of the $181 billion American apparel market.
Outlawing them is certainly an uphill battle, since many shoppers see nothing wrong with knockoffs, especially as prices for designer goods skyrocket. Critics of the designers’ group even argue that copies are good for fashion because they encourage designers to continuously invent new wares to stay ahead.
Designers say that is pre-Internet thinking.
“For me, this is not simply about copying,” said Anna Sui, one of more than 20 designers who have filed lawsuits against Forever 21, one of the country’s fastest-growing clothing chains, for selling what they claim are copies of their apparel. “The issue is also timing. These copies are hitting the market before the original versions do.”
The designers seek to outlaw clothing that looks very similar to their originals but is sold under someone else’s label. They want to extend laws that already ban counterfeit handbags and sunglasses with designer logos, which reportedly account for as much as $12 billion of sales. A reliable estimate of knockoffs cannot be determined because designers and retailers disagree on which clothes are copies and which are merely “inspired” by a trend, a normal part of the fashion food chain.
Ms. Anand agreed to offer a rare look at a side of fashion that exists parallel to Seventh Avenue’s celebrity designers, though all but unknown to the public. Interviews with executives at a number of companies that specialize in designing for the private labels of department stores and other chains reveal a highly competitive network of factories, which use the latest technology to reproduce designer looks with the impunity and speed of Robin Hood. Their copies do not violate existing law.
“This is the requirement of the market,” Ms. Anand said. “If a buyer tells us, ‘This is what I need,’ we’ll make it for them. This is our business.”
Her mother, Shashi Anand, founded their company, Simonia Fashions, in 1980, five years after she moved to New York from New Delhi. Shashi Anand has won awards for her success as an Asian businesswoman, including one presented in 1998 by Bill and Hillary Clinton, whose pictures are framed on her office wall.
The company, with 10 employees in the showroom, has sales of $20 million, about 80 percent of which is for clothes sold under the private labels of stores like Bloomingdale’s and Macy’s, and for specialty chains like Forever 21, Rampage and Urban Outfitters. They also design their own line, Blue Plate.
Most of their designs are original, or partly inspired by market trends, the women said; but some look like direct copies, and some of those are made at the specific request of retailers.
(Theres more at the above link)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/us/04fashion.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Buyers from the nation’s leading department stores will sift through the work of hundreds of designers as another Fashion Week begins today in New York, seeking the looks that shoppers will want to wear next spring. Seema Anand will be looking for the ones they want right now.
Skip to next paragraph Multimedia
Slide Show Original vs. Knockoff
Seema Anand's firm makes clothes inspired by other designers.
Ms. Anand, who will be following the catwalk shows through photographs posted instantly on the Web, is a designer few would recognize, even though she has dressed more people than most of the famous designers exhibiting a few blocks from her garment district studio, under the tents in Bryant Park.
“If I see something on Style.com, all I have to do is e-mail the picture to my factory and say, ‘I want something similar, or a silhouette made just like this,’ ” Ms. Anand said. The factory, in Jaipur, India, can deliver stores a knockoff months before the designer version.
Ms. Anand compared a gold sequined tunic she created with a nearly identical one by the designer Tory Burch. Bloomingdale’s had asked her to make several hundred of the dresses for its private label Aqua, she said.
The Tory Burch dress sells for $750; Ms. Anand’s is $260.
Ms. Anand’s company, Simonia Fashions, is one of hundreds that make less expensive clothes inspired by other designers’ runway looks, for trendy stores like Forever 21 and retail behemoths like Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s.
A debate is raging in the American fashion industry over such designs. Copying, which has always existed in fashion, has become so pervasive in the Internet era it is now the No. 1 priority of the Council of Fashion Designers of America, which is lobbying Congress to extend copyright protection to clothing. Nine senators introduced a bill last month to support the designers. An expert working with the designers’ trade group estimates that knockoffs represent a minimum of 5 percent of the $181 billion American apparel market.
Outlawing them is certainly an uphill battle, since many shoppers see nothing wrong with knockoffs, especially as prices for designer goods skyrocket. Critics of the designers’ group even argue that copies are good for fashion because they encourage designers to continuously invent new wares to stay ahead.
Designers say that is pre-Internet thinking.
“For me, this is not simply about copying,” said Anna Sui, one of more than 20 designers who have filed lawsuits against Forever 21, one of the country’s fastest-growing clothing chains, for selling what they claim are copies of their apparel. “The issue is also timing. These copies are hitting the market before the original versions do.”
The designers seek to outlaw clothing that looks very similar to their originals but is sold under someone else’s label. They want to extend laws that already ban counterfeit handbags and sunglasses with designer logos, which reportedly account for as much as $12 billion of sales. A reliable estimate of knockoffs cannot be determined because designers and retailers disagree on which clothes are copies and which are merely “inspired” by a trend, a normal part of the fashion food chain.
Ms. Anand agreed to offer a rare look at a side of fashion that exists parallel to Seventh Avenue’s celebrity designers, though all but unknown to the public. Interviews with executives at a number of companies that specialize in designing for the private labels of department stores and other chains reveal a highly competitive network of factories, which use the latest technology to reproduce designer looks with the impunity and speed of Robin Hood. Their copies do not violate existing law.
“This is the requirement of the market,” Ms. Anand said. “If a buyer tells us, ‘This is what I need,’ we’ll make it for them. This is our business.”
Her mother, Shashi Anand, founded their company, Simonia Fashions, in 1980, five years after she moved to New York from New Delhi. Shashi Anand has won awards for her success as an Asian businesswoman, including one presented in 1998 by Bill and Hillary Clinton, whose pictures are framed on her office wall.
The company, with 10 employees in the showroom, has sales of $20 million, about 80 percent of which is for clothes sold under the private labels of stores like Bloomingdale’s and Macy’s, and for specialty chains like Forever 21, Rampage and Urban Outfitters. They also design their own line, Blue Plate.
Most of their designs are original, or partly inspired by market trends, the women said; but some look like direct copies, and some of those are made at the specific request of retailers.
(Theres more at the above link)
'Ms. Anand’s company, Simonia Fashions, is one of hundreds that make less expensive clothes inspired by other designers’ runway looks, for trendy stores like Forever 21 and retail behemoths like Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s.'
So basically all who said neiman marcus is better, well read that. It's the same stuff. F21 sells different makes of clothing. Some cheap some not.
So basically all who said neiman marcus is better, well read that. It's the same stuff. F21 sells different makes of clothing. Some cheap some not.
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I also find it funny that the designers won't sue a store who SELLS THEIR CLOTHING ALSO.
"Ms. Burch, who will show her collection on Sept. 11, said she was aware that her designs had been singled out by copiers. In March, she filed a lawsuit against several stores, including the Strawberry chain, for selling ballerina flats with an insignia she thought was too close to hers. As for the sequined dress Ms. Anand made for Bloomingdale’s, similar to one of Ms. Burch’s, Frank Doroff, a senior executive vice president of the store, said he was unaware of the order. "
It's sad that f21 gets singled out.
"Ms. Burch, who will show her collection on Sept. 11, said she was aware that her designs had been singled out by copiers. In March, she filed a lawsuit against several stores, including the Strawberry chain, for selling ballerina flats with an insignia she thought was too close to hers. As for the sequined dress Ms. Anand made for Bloomingdale’s, similar to one of Ms. Burch’s, Frank Doroff, a senior executive vice president of the store, said he was unaware of the order. "
It's sad that f21 gets singled out.
Same here...I have a couple of their "Essential shirts" (button down collared long-sleeved) that I bought 7 (seven) years ago that still look like new that I get alot of complements on.
The funny thing is, the shirt is so basic that the style of their essential shirt in their stores looks almost the exact same as my seven-year-old one. Perfect for an everyday-wear-to-work type of top, though.
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i meant like on the floorIsn't that how most stores are? The clothes aren't going to hang themselves up, you know.
in piles
the employees do nothign and i find i really weird that i ahvent gotten oen shift in 3 weeks when i come in and have to pull at least 250 garments that have been stepped and trampled on yet the people who leave them on the ground get at least 3 shifts a weeks
^ That sucks. But the one near me is clean and tidy 
. It's the stores duty to clean up, not the customers. And it should be the mangement too, not just throwing it all on associates. Sounds like lazy employees though. My old job was like that, I used to fix everything up and everyone else would stand around and "watch paint dry."
. It's the stores duty to clean up, not the customers. And it should be the mangement too, not just throwing it all on associates. Sounds like lazy employees though. My old job was like that, I used to fix everything up and everyone else would stand around and "watch paint dry."Absolutely. To me, Express pieces hands-down are of more quality than Forever 21. I'm always afraid to wash any Forever 21 items I've owned... I've since stopped shopping there, and Express for that matter. I grew too old for Forever 21, and Express' stuff hasn't been good, to me, the past few seasons... I'm not into that whole 80s look...
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interesting article about the family behind forever 21.
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