The Cfda Announces Nominees

[ultramarine]

Bo-ring!
All categories should be declared deserted, but especially menswear!

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by ignitioned32@Mar 31st, 2004 - 3:08 pm
Just like New York Fashion Week last season, this I find this rather tired. A lousy list indeed.

Though Ralph Rucci will and should win that award. He is the only American designer who showed Haute Couture in Paris in over thirty years, since Mainbocher. Plus I think he's clothes are American fashion at its pinnacle.

i so adore Ralph Rucci, he deserves more support by the american industry, hes a real new master.
i'd also vote for Tess Giberson -if her name ever came up there- she's another talented american deserving more attention.

as for the list, boring and predictable ..as usual.

 

[TheSweetest]

Thanx for the compliment softgrey... i appreciate it!

You guys are right about the nominess being media based but there's not much we can do since that is the turn the fashion business has taken. Hopefully, one day, it will return to being about talent and uniqueness.

I loved datura001's post! He's right about the line. It DOES fit and has some character to it. Not all designers do it all themselves and it's not limited to just one group of people. I don't know what line really is. You don't have to buy your clothes 3 times bigger than your size. There are some women who wear their clothes 3 times to small, doesn't mean we all have to do it. Ya know? I can see people not agreeing with him being a nominee, but plz leave it at that. All men who wear Dior Homme are not rockers, but maybe just individuals. Clothing and accessories aren't taken and worn as they are straight from the runway. They buy it and make thier own. That's how it's done with all apparel.

 

[Spike413]

But I think why so many people disagree with P.Diddy being nominated is because a-he has absolutly no new or interesting ideas or talent, b-his clothes are pretty much restricted to those who want to wear hip-hop influenced clothing. Let's face it , no matter what size you buy his clothes in, they are cut huge because, P. Diddy is producing clothes for hip-hop stars. And c-as for having character, yeah, mabye his RUNWAY looks have character, but how much charachter does a $40 plain white t-shirt with SeanJohn embroidered on the chest have? While not every persong who buys Dior Homme is a rocker, or every person who buys Gucci is a sex simbol, the pieces are made with amazing quality, taste, and imagination. Can't really say that for Diddy and his sweatshop sweatsuits can you?

 

[Scott]

Oh yes,and that aspect sure will get you some recognition by the academies, being that Vogue and A.W. herself are somehow fixtures of superiority in fashion.

 

[pennyfei]

Sean John is nominated year after year and I am tired of hearing this name again and again in one of the supposedly most prestigious award in american fashion. His clothes are not bad but his style is totally indistinctive. Hip-hop is different from fashion no matter how commercialized it has been plus that Mr Combs does not have real education in fashion, which is pretty important in the industry.

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by pennyfei@Apr 4th, 2004 - 6:33 pm
plus that Mr Combs does not have real education in fashion, which is pretty important in the industry.

an education is irrelevant in fashion...most of the biggest names in fashion have dropped out of school...or have majored in something other than fashion...school is good because it teaches you discipline and you may make important contacts while you're there, but it is not a pre-requisite to being a successful designer...those are the facts...

 

[Scott]

I do think that a little former education and perhaps an even deeper passion,on his own terms is compulsary in fashion. At least if one wants to remain and have substantial impact--otherwise PDiddy is just a novelty.

 

[Spike413]

Yeah, like softgrey said, so many successful and talented designers have either not had any or have not finished an education in fashion. Case in point, Donna Karan, Tom Ford, I think Gabbana of D&G, these are all people who are highly regarded in fashion whether they have new and creative ideas or just produce classic fashions. Anyway, I think that the problem with P. Diddy is not that he doesn't have an education in fashion, but that his clothes are hardly what I, or many others would call fashion. To me there is a great distinction between clothes and fashion. He just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[datura001]

I've been thinking a lot about Combs's nomination this year and I think it may be because his fashion sense and skills are rebellious to the direction menswear has been pointing in the past few years, though there are natural similarities. Like many designers, Combs is heavily influenced by the street. He's taken looks that are heralded by the hip hop movement and made them fashion through the execution of those looks in luxe fabrics and details. They almost promote a dandyish way of life. A lot of the comments thus far seem to be based on his secondary line and are thus invalid as most designers secondary lines focus on overpriced tee shirts and jeans, which may point at an even bigger problem. Is there anything new for a designer to do, to create, especially since consumers are comforted by old classics, reissues, and vintage stylings? Is something succesful only if it sells? These are questions I've been thinking a lot about since I went to orientation at Parsons over the weekend. The fashion department reiterated time and again that they are only interested in 'real life clothes', even though the catagory, to me, seems overcrowded and dried up. If 'real life clothes' are the focus of the NY scene and thus the CFDA, perhaps there will never be room for designers who are innovative above and beyond the call, who do more than just basic secondary lines and signature lines that just update, encrust, and double face, and steal what has already been presented. Perhaps these nominations are about honoring those who play the game well and who don't grumble out loud about it.

 

[rayncloudx]

at pdiddy and sjp

 

[Spike413]

Originally posted by datura001@Apr 5th, 2004 - 7:01 pm
A lot of the comments thus far seem to be based on his secondary line and are thus invalid as most designers secondary lines focus on overpriced tee shirts and jeans, which may point at an even bigger problem. Is there anything new for a designer to do, to create, especially since consumers are comforted by old classics, reissues, and vintage stylings? Is something succesful only if it sells? These are questions I've been thinking a lot about since I went to orientation at Parsons over the weekend. The fashion department reiterated time and again that they are only interested in 'real life clothes', even though the catagory, to me, seems overcrowded and dried up. If 'real life clothes' are the focus of the NY scene and thus the CFDA, perhaps there will never be room for designers who are innovative above and beyond the call, who do more than just basic secondary lines and signature lines that just update, encrust, and double face, and steal what has already been presented. Perhaps these nominations are about honoring those who play the game well and who don't grumble out loud about it.

What do u mean by his secondary line? The things you see on his runway aren't sold at all, they're just runway pieces. I don't think he has a secondary line, he just doesn't have any coherence between what is presented on the runway and what is actually produced.

 

[datura001]

Oh that's quite a shame, some of those pieces were simple enough to do okay...