This is England... (Skinhead Chic)

[InnocentFairy]

I'm a bit confused because the skinhead-subculture isn't the only subculture which had its origin in the english working class. The Mods and Teds for example developed from english working class, too. So I wouldn't equate english working class style with skinhead-style.

I have already mentioned the mods, punks... look at my previous posts

 

[InnocentFairy]

InnocentFairy, more pics!! Looks great.
And yes Pete and Amy are more 'real' and working class, but they like ApertureRomance says mix a lot of other references and styles.

Here is another pic from my photo shoot, I guess I took the social realism of working class and skinhead with contemporary and trying not to glamourise it. I guess my way of keeping it 'raw':

 

[Deborah]

I don't really like it when people talk about working class in this way. I find it a little offensive as I am from a working class background and a very poor town.

 

[ApertureRomance]

Why do you find it offensive ? We're talking about how class influenced fashion but it hasn't been spoken about or discussed in a derogatory way.

 

[InnocentFairy]

I don't really like it when people talk about working class in this way. I find it a little offensive as I am from a working class background and a very poor town.

So am I! But I don't see how this thread is in ANY way offensive? Please state how working class culture influences fashion is offensive...?

 

[fairy]

i think u can only find it offensive when u urself have a problem with it

 

[InnocentFairy]

i think u can only find it offensive when u urself have a problem with it

I agree, it has only been about a year since I fully accepted that I was raised working class and accepting where my parents live now without being embarrassed about it. However, now I have my degree and doing my MA I am considered to be 'middle class'...hehehehe - but I am 'culturally' working class and have a mixture of working class and middle class 'taste' (Bourdieu).

 

[fairy]

i think ur roots and where ur coming from will always inspire you, your style, your personality...and thats a good thing as long as u accept it and dont deny it

 

[Deborah]

having 'hard' looking faces come with their tough, hard and often short lives (due to their occupation). They are too tired to worry about image and too tough to take sh*t, they are use to knock backs and I respect them because they do the jobs that we would hate to do.

This is what I found offfensive. And anyway working class people do take pride in their image, or this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[InnocentFairy]

This is what I found offfensive. And anyway working class people do take pride in their image, or this thread wouldn't exist.

But it is true, whether you find it offensive or not. I don't know why an arguement has to arise, this is life. Skinhead culture is was a reaction against the Thatcherite years and rejecting the 'mod' scene because it was 'cheaper' and less 'consuming'.

 

[snowqueen]

I find working class people trying to be middle class .. and middle class acting like they are all working class more offensive tbh

 

[lollicandy]

^ reading that sentence totally reminded me of that Blur song 'girls who like boys who like girls that look like boys...'

I fail to find what was so offensive in this thread. If anything everyone in this thread loves the clothes that working class people wear in particular, skinhead type clothes. If the title 'working class' offends you, then I would say that it is what it is. And I don't doubt that take pride in their appearance, look at all the different groups that InnocentFairy posted a few pages back; Mods, skinheads etc, clothing is an integral part of the group dynamic/cohesiveness.

Ok I know me and Lesypersound lol'ed at a pic of chavs, but really they were asking for it.

 

[ApertureRomance]

I'd place skinheads earlier than Thatcher , I think it's more interesting to look at the rude boy influence.

And people shouldn't get offended I'd be proud just look at the profound influence that working class has had on fashion.

 

[InnocentFairy]

I find working class people trying to be middle class .. and middle class acting like they are all working class more offensive tbh

This made me laugh

I have met a couple of middle class, saying how 'working class' they are...I remember smirking and thinking 'they do not have a clue'.

 

[snowqueen]

^^ i think we have all met people like that its rediculas lol .. i dont understand some people u are who u r thats the way i see it .. you cant change who you are

 

[InnocentFairy]

^^ I guess people wish to be part of that 'culture' and in a sense...I guess the middle classes, for example, do not have that 'attitude' in the sense of culture/groups - if that makes sense?

 

[snowqueen]

^^ perfect sense

have u found out what marks u got for your project yet btw ?? im so curious as its so good imo

 

[InnocentFairy]

^^ perfect sense

have u found out what marks u got for your project yet btw ?? im so curious as its so good imo

Aww thank you

I find out on Monday, I am soooo nervous because apparently one girl had her tutorial with him (our tutor) after she handed in her work and he made her rip one of the images up!!!

 

[Little Voice]

This is such an interesting thread. I think it's fascinating how closely linked fashion/style and politics can be. I love learning about movements from years before I was born... I probably have a very idealistic view of it all though, thinking "oh wow, people were so much more involved and into their subcultures than they are these days..."
My mum always laughs at me for saying how awesome the 60's, 70's and 80's were; she reckons they were kind of rubbish to actually live through.

 

[InnocentFairy]

This is such an interesting thread. I think it's fascinating how closely linked fashion/style and politics can be. I love learning about movements from years before I was born... I probably have a very idealistic view of it all though, thinking "oh wow, people were so much more involved and into their subcultures than they are these days..."
My mum always laughs at me for saying how awesome the 60's, 70's and 80's were; she reckons they were kind of rubbish to actually live through.

Well they are better than the 'so-called' sub-cultures that arise today, if you can call them sub-cultures - 'nu-rave', it's embarrassing!

I would had loved to have been a part of the 1960s.