Vintage Magazine Discussion Thread

[ellastica]

Oh yes Marion's site is bloody fantastic!
I stumbled on it a few years ago when I was searching for some 90s Oz Vogue issues. As the former EIC of V Oz there's tons of super rare issues, which should't be missed. The only extensive site from a former fashion EIC i've com across.

 

[ad030817]

^ people would have a kinipshin if they knew my how / what / why of scanning techniques! LOL....

 

[LylaScans]

LylaScans If you like Fashion Columns from Newspapers check Mario'ns site. It's amazing!

http://www.marionhume.com/category/columns/page/6/

Have to admit I bought the supplements for celebrities instead of fashion, but that site is actually quite cool.

ell, the construction paper technique also sounds nice. I'll use some black card of mine.

 

[obsession1990]

Yes, the black construction paper or similar really makes the difference.

 

[ad030817]

Hi everyone.
Are the vintage threads going to become a ghost town because of the copyright infringement issues? Thoughts?

 

[LylaScans]

What issues? Haven't heard.

 

[obsession1990]

bwgreyscale had had similar problems with copyright infringements. They had erased lots of editorials and stuff...

 

[RosieNikolaeva]

Is this because of the Vogue Italia Archive posts?

 

[ad030817]

^ In the Member's Support thread there are notifications about posting pics.

 

[RosieNikolaeva]

So, we're not supposed to upload photos of our scans on this website. But it's totally okay to post links to the images. That's what I got from that thread. It's a real shame cause this website is all about photos.

I've always thought it's strange to not allow people to show your work on different websites. It's like I'm gonna take credit for Demarchelier's work or something. What are we doing from now on?

 

[Mai Iwano]

I don't know what to make of the discussions in the other thread kelles mentioned. I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, photographers work is being shown on here without their permission but on the other, I cannot see what harm it does.

It's basically about money, I guess. The big publishing houses would rather have their own on-line service where you pay a membership. That's fine but people are still going to just take the photos and post then elsewhere. Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr and a hundred other places are full of fashion images that have been posted without permission. It would take forever for all these publishing houses to ask for take downs - think of how many pictures are posted just to Twitter every day, it's in the millions.

My own opinion on the vintage section is that a place like TFS should be made an exception: firstly because it is run by people who do actively moderate the boards and are in contact with the industry.

Secondly (and to me most importantly) many of the fashion editorials on here are already decades old. They need to be preserved somehow for future generations.

 

[ad030817]

^ My interpretation is that we can still post pictures but there is the possibility of warnings & removals etc. I have never got a warning - so will keep posting till I do. Tiziano Magni once pm me to ask that I credit him with his work - so I pm him the Vogue Italia index that credited another photographer & not him. He never once asked that I not post his work - just that I credit him properly.
Personally I believe the vintage threads @ tfs are pure appreciation with a very positive vibe. We as a community just enjoy what we find & post - always crediting appropriately - no disrespect to anyone. Also there are so many blogs etc & what about Pinterest with thousands of pics - are all of them going to close?
Anyway who else has 1987 Marie Claires to share?

 

[Mai Iwano]

Anyway who else has 1987 Marie Claires to share?

Ten or twenty years from now, that might turn out to be the only thing that matters.

Nobody is really archiving any of this stuff comprehensively - with a few exceptions.

 

[RosieNikolaeva]

About an year ago Steven Silverstein's daughter (or wife, not sure) contacted me via email to ask me to credit one of the pictures of her father's work that I had posted on my blog. She was very kind and didn't ask me to remove it. I think it's okay to post someone's work as long as you're not being a total idiot and taking credit for the work you've actually not done. So, I'm gonna keep posting too until I get a warning. As far as I remember you get banned after your 3rd violation. None of us has been warned so far... I guess we're not doing anything wrong...

 

[liliqouismoon]

Does this mean the end of this thread? I live for this!!!

 

[obsession1990]

I think the problem is when people don't credit sources and artists, specially pictures from photographer's sites.

Doug Ordway once sent me a private message asking me to credit him on every single image that I have posted on a FB wall. Other times was himself who post her own name on my posts.

vogue italia archives could be a serious problem. It's supposed you only can see 3 issues (online) for free. You need a membership and stay online. But here we can see the issues without memberships and without staying logged/only and they are printscreens, etc...

we will see what's going on over time...

 

[Mai Iwano]

I think the problem is when people don't credit sources and artists, specially pictures from photographer's sites.

Doug Ordway once sent me a private message asking me to credit him on every single image that I have posted on a FB wall. Other times was himself who post her own name on my posts.

vogue italia archives could be a serious problem. It's supposed you only can see 3 issues (online) for free. You need a membership and stay online. But here we can see the issues without memberships and without staying logged/only and they are printscreens, etc...

we will see what's going on over time...

Not trying to derail the thread as there is some good discussion here and many posters have contributed lots of good scans over the years but Vogue Italia archives are quite poor in quality (in my opinion).

Nobody seems to be asking the more important question of how future generations are going to be able to access this material when the companies are sometimes making poor quality copies to begin with.

As kelles as said, who has 1987 issues of Marie Claire?

Years from now, I can envisage a scenario where these huge publishing houses reach out to individuals because they are the only people who faithfully preserved the magazines in their original form.

 

[ad030817]

When I said "who else has 1987 marieclaires to share" - I was asking a rhetorical question. Essentially I was pointing out the fact that " we have obscure & long forgotten magazines" & we like to share. That's all.

I think tfs vintage threads have really honoured overlooked photographers, stylists, models, hairdressers & makeup artists that have long been forgotten. We as a collective group have been huge fans of everyone instead of just the famous people - know what I mean!?

 

[Mai Iwano]

Imagine twenty or thirty years from now, some fashion student at university wants to look at the work of Mary Greenwell. The printed issues are essentially impossible to find by then. Where are they going to be able to see what's been archived?

 

[RosieNikolaeva]

I don't think that our good intentions matter to the big companies like Conde Nast. We don't make them money.

I think I've shared this with you but when I signed up for a Vogue subscription, they called me almost immediately about it. Cause you know, 3 000 bucks are 3 000 bucks... Who cares if we're preserving something for future generations if they are not making money from it? (Oh, and if you do pay that money, the quality of photos is HD!) That's what I think about this and maybe we are gonna be shut down or something after a while. That means that we have to find another way to share images to each other. Through the years many people have created boards dedicated to vintage magazines but they haven't lasted long. But anyways, maybe we should think of a backup plan in case we're no longer allowed to post on here.