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(old article but maybe others did not read it yet )

www.bloomberg.com

Secretive Brother Runs Side Bets for $58 Billion Chanel Empire​

Charles Heilbronn manages the Wertheimer family fortune at Mousse Partners.
14 August 2019 at 13:00 CEST
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Late 1950s montage of a woman inside a Chanel No. 5 bottle.
Photographer: Weegee (Arthur Fellig)/International Center of Photography

They typically sit a few rows back from the runway, a balding and bespectacled pair who prefer to stay out of the spotlight.
“We’re a very discreet family, we never talk,” Gerard Wertheimer whispered to a reporter before a 2001 fashion show in Paris.
He and his brother Alain own Chanel, the luxury empire built on No. 5 perfume, the little black dress and the genius of Karl Lagerfeld. Then there’s the pair’s younger half-brother Charles Heilbronn, a Chanel executive vice president with an even lower profile but equally important role: safeguarding the clan’s fortune at the family office, Mousse Partners.


Prix De Diane Longines At Hippodrome Chantilly

Brothers Alain (right) and Gerard Wertheimer at the Prix de Diane Longines in Chantilly, France, June 2011.
Photographer: Julien Hekimian/WireImage via Getty Images
While Alain runs the company from a glass tower just south of Central Park in Manhattan, a door within his office is always open, connected to Heilbronn’s. Gerard is based in Geneva.


All three are sons of Eliane Heilbronn, the lawyer who drafted Lagerfeld’s lifetime contract. They’re guiding one of the world’s most valuable private companies—with about $3 billion of annual profit.
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Fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld with Eliane Heilbronn at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, November 2013.
Photographer: Eric Feferberg/AFP via Getty Images
Together the family is worth almost $58 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, a 26% increase from a year ago, making it the world’s fifth-richest. And that’s a conservative figure. Some analysts estimate Chanel could be worth more than $100 billion if it went public, driven by Asia’s insatiable appetite for $5,000 fanny packs and $1,500 jeans.

A Chanel spokesman declined to comment on the family’s net worth.

Mousse Partners employs more than three dozen people in Manhattan, Hong Kong and Beijing, a substantial operation for a single family office. Heilbronn has run things since the start, placing winning bets on cheaper versions of Chanel’s beauty and fashion offerings.
He made more than $1 billion on Ulta Beauty Inc., the cosmetics chain focused on millennial women, regulatory filings show.
See also: A Chanel deal may be out of reach even for luxury giant LVMH
He also invested in skin-care and cosmetics brands such as Beautycounter and Coty Inc., menswear firm Bonobos and lingerie company Adore Me, and ventured beyond Chanel’s fashion and beauty heritage, taking stakes in entertainment, furniture and pharmaceutical companies.
Mousse, though, increasingly resembles the financial firms also housed in the skyscraper at 9 W. 57th St., where it’s headquartered along with Chanel. At least a half-dozen employees deal with private equity, while others focus on hedge funds, foreign exchange and alternative assets. Most have joined in the past two years from better-known operations, including Carlyle Group LP, Singapore’s sovereign wealth fund and the family office of George Soros.
Solow Building Corporation at 57th Street in Manhattan, NYC

The Solow Building at 9 W. 57th St. in Manhattan.
Photographer: Manel Vinuesa/Getty Images

Mousse Partners doesn’t disclose how much money it has at its disposal, but Chanel distributed more than $1.6 billion in dividends in just the past three years, according to U.K. regulatory filings. Payouts before 2016 weren’t made public and are therefore excluded from Bloomberg’s estimate of the family’s wealth.

Diverse Interests​

Mousse Partners invests in a range of sectors and regions

Since the death of their father, Jacques Wertheimer, in 1996, Alain and Gerard have been credited with owning equal shares of the Chanel empire. But the firm is held through offshore companies, making it impossible for outsiders to know for sure.
Chanel is held by Litor Ltd., registered in the Cayman Islands. Mousse Partners was folded into Litor in December, according to a legal notice in the Cayman Islands Gazette. Chanel declined to comment on Heilbronn’s ownership stake, if one exists.

Les Parfums Chanel was founded in 1924 by brothers Pierre and Paul Wertheimer, and Gabrielle “Coco” Chanel, who’d begun selling her popular No. 5 perfume and fashion designs years earlier.
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Pierre Wertheimer (left) with jockey Rae Johnstone after a victory at the Epsom Derby in June 1956.
Photographer: Ron Case/Hulton Archive via Getty Images
The Wertheimers took a 70% stake, and Theophile Bader, a friend who introduced the brothers to Coco, received 20% as a finder’s fee, leaving Coco with 10%. She resented having a smaller share and fought for more. By 1928, according to a biography by Axel Madsen, the Wertheimers had a lawyer on staff dedicated to dealing with the designer.
In 1941, after failed attempts to increase her stake, Coco took a different approach. It was illegal for Jews to own a company in Nazi-occupied Paris, so she told the Nazis about the Wertheimers’ ownership, according to the biography.
But the family was prepared and transferred its holding to a friend, Felix Amiot, before fleeing France. They reclaimed their stake after the war and, following Paul’s death in 1947, Pierre bought out his brother’s heirs, according to Madsen.
He then acquired the remaining stakes held by Bader and, finally, Coco. By 1954, Pierre Wertheimer owned all of Chanel.
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Gabrielle “Coco” Chanel posing for Vanity Fair in 1931.
Photographer: George Hoyningen-Huene/Conde Nast via Getty Images
After his death in 1965, ownership passed to Jacques. By then, Alain and Gerard were teenagers, and Charles, born during Eliane’s second marriage to Didier Heilbronn, was 10.

Alain was just 25 in 1974 when he persuaded board members to give him control of Chanel after his racehorse-loving father almost ran it into the ground. Alain had little business experience but quickly saw that changes were needed. He pulled Chanel’s products from drugstores to focus on high-end distributors and hired his mother’s law firm as general counsel, bringing the Heilbronn side of the family into the fold. Charles joined in 1987.
The business has since thrived.
“Everything it seems to produce is sought after,” said Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Deborah Aitken. “It’s growing double digits across categories that transcend age groups and purse strings.”
As with any dynasty, there are challenges and questions about succession. Lagerfeld, the face of the company for more than three decades, died in February. Alain is 70, Gerard, 67, and Charles isn’t far behind at 64. So the next generation is getting to work.
Arthur Heilbronn

Arthur Heilbronn.
Photographer: Carly Otness/BFA

Arthur Heilbronn, 32, interned at Chanel before joining his father at Mousse Partners, according to a spokesman. Alain’s son Nathaniel, also 32, is set to start at Chanel within months.
And like his father and uncles, Arthur is shunning the spotlight. The Harvard Business School graduate declined to comment when contacted for this story on LinkedIn. Subsequently, all mention of his work experience, including at Chanel, vanished from his profile.
At Chanel’s newly designed flagship store in New York, where a visitor may be offered Champagne or espresso, five floors of luxury pay homage to the brand’s namesake. There are portraits of Coco, chairs upholstered in her signature tweed and a 60-foot sculpture of a pearl necklace. Lagerfeld’s designs line the racks and fill the display cases.

There is, however, no sign of the three brothers behind it all.
And that’s just how they like it.
 
This WWD article from 2019 here also says LVMH executives stated that Chanel's IPO is worth close to 100 billion euros:
Chanel is not worth 50 billion euros, but closer to 100 billion euros, so it’s “unclear who would have interest,” said analysts at Jefferies, in a research note recapping discussions with Jean-Jacques Guiony, LVMH’s chief financial officer, and Louis Vuitton chief executive officer Michael Burke.

The executives were hosting analysts on a two-day field trip focused on the Louis Vuitton brand’s leather goods’ manufacturing strategy and operations.

The 50 billion-euro figure has been floating around for the past year, with some saying it could be higher — one luxury industry source said 80 billion euros.
WWD

Chanel's annual revenue in 2018 was 9.8 billion euros and their annual revenue in 2023 was 18.4 billion euros. Using the rough estimates here, I can roughly estimate the company's current worth using this formula:
(value18/revenue18) × revenue23

If Chanel was worth 80 billion euros in 2018:
(80/9.8) × 18.4 = 150.2

If Chanel was worth 100 billion euros in 2018:
(100/9.8) × 18.4 = 187.8

Assuming that all other factors of company valuation have been static throughout this period, Chanel could be worth 150 to 190 billion euros today. In truth, it's probably more.
 
Why not do the Rolex's ownership structure by way of a non-profit entity that is owned by a Foundation,that has the actual operational ownership of the company is vested in several private entities. with all of these ‘owners’ working together to ensure the legacy, history and everything.

Maybe it only possible with Swiss law, but the with the holdings in Holland and London etc.... i think should be possible to move to Switzerland ?
Strange they would only think of now regarding the future.
Foundations in France are heavily regulated by the Minister of the Interior (the equivalent of the Home Office in the UK), which impose one to three civil servants on every foundation board, but those people are usually former "Préfets", ie very high civil servants usually from a police background, very authoritarian. That's the case even for foundation for medical purposes or culture purpose, like mine... or like the Foundation Alaia, which has a semi-infamous civil servant of their board, who used to send police riot every day with violent clashes on an airport project and tends to behave like that in board meetings.
So it's only possible under Swiss law, but if you transfer your company/assets to a foundation, even to a Swiss one, how do you cash out/get paid ?

The Hans Wildorf foundation, the structure owning Rolex, was founded because the Wildorfes didn't have children and heirs, and didn't want to sell and go to the bank.

BTW; Hermès is worth 230 billions €, the Wertheimers are asking almost the same. So nobody knows if they seriously want to sell, maybe hoping for a queen from a Gulfe monarchy or a sovereign fund to snatch it, or if they just want to, idk, incite interest from one of their heir to succeed them.
Its the complete reverse of the Succession TV show, none of the Wertheimers childrens are interested in Chanel, they have different lives and have never been very involved in the family business, at least much less than the Heilbrons, who aren't direct shareholders.
 
This WWD article from 2019 here also says LVMH executives stated that Chanel's IPO is worth close to 100 billion euros:

WWD

Chanel's annual revenue in 2018 was 9.8 billion euros and their annual revenue in 2023 was 18.4 billion euros. Using the rough estimates here, I can roughly estimate the company's current worth using this formula:
(value18/revenue18) × revenue23

If Chanel was worth 80 billion euros in 2018:
(80/9.8) × 18.4 = 150.2

If Chanel was worth 100 billion euros in 2018:
(100/9.8) × 18.4 = 187.8

Assuming that all other factors of company valuation have been static throughout this period, Chanel could be worth 150 to 190 billion euros today. In truth, it's probably more.
Your calculations are good, but it doesn't include the prospective up to 2025/2030 or more, they are aiming at nearly 30 billions a year in 2030, so the current asking price is more or less 230 billions euros.
 
Your calculations are good, but it doesn't include the prospective up to 2025/2030 or more, they are aiming at nearly 30 billions a year in 2030, so the current asking price is more or less 230 billions euros.
I'd need the source of that statement to get a better estimate, but my guess for 2030 would be 250 to 300 billion euros.

If Chanel was worth 80 billion euros in 2018:
(80/9.8) × 30 = 244.9

If Chanel was worth 100 billion euros in 2018:
(100/9.8) × 30 = 306.1

Of course this is assuming that Chanel actually reaches that goal for 2030.
 
I'd need the source of that statement to get a better estimate, but my guess for 2030 would be 250 to 300 billion euros.
That's source from inside, aka an M&A banker with access , that's the reason why they are asking "only" 230 billions in 2024, they just discounted accrued inflation, or € devaluation, over the next 6 years. There are 10s of ways to calculate the value of a company and millions of ways to twitch the end result
But to be really honest; they were directed to calculate a number, I quote, "higher than Hermès and not a penny less", for purely ego reason so they took Hermès market capitalization, add 10 billions, and chose a method accordingly.
 
where is that guy getting all his tea and why is he so obssessed. let it go hun, everyone just wants to know the new CD.
I think that if what he said was true, the new CD will be months away at least. Who wants a seat there when you can't control your own ateliers or your ideas?
 
Don't the "Metiers d'Art" collections serve that purpose
I think they were supposed to, but based on my recollection, the MdA collections from 2 to 3 years ago changed markedly when they started to heavily rely on sequins.
Why is it important? Because this coincides with the rumor that they outsourced work to southeast Asia where labor is much cheaper.
If you look at Temu/Taobao type of clothes, or even zara, sequins/beading are very common. They can be made at a fraction of the cost in Asia than in France.
I probably only saw a couple of pieces made with Lesage tweeds in each of the past MdA collections...the "craftsmanship has been very limited to one narrow aspect.

Again, I'm no fashion insider. I only share my own observations as a consumer here.
 
Pardon me, but can you legally have 3 Haute Couture collections a year in France? I really do think MdA serves that purpose.

They could make MdA a more customized experience though, with all the accoutrements couture clients get.
 
BTW; Hermès is worth 230 billions €, the Wertheimers are asking almost the same. So nobody knows if they seriously want to sell, maybe hoping for a queen from a Gulfe monarchy or a sovereign fund to snatch it, or if they just want to, idk, incite interest from one of their heir to succeed them.
Its the complete reverse of the Succession TV show, none of the Wertheimers childrens are interested in Chanel, they have different lives and have never been very involved in the family business, at least much less than the Heilbrons, who aren't direct shareholders.

based on this, i understand why they may be flirting with the idea of selling, but, respectfully, in the grand scheme of things, that would be stupid.

chanel is too valuable and powerful of an asset to sell unless, in the brother's minds, it's too much of a hassle to think about despite already being pretty hands off. why not remain hands off and continue benefitting from chanel?

well, what would they be using the sale to invest or re-invest in? are they just tired of being in fashion and want to totally separate themselves from it because the next generation has no interest in it? there has to be a better reason to want to sell.

there is a very, very little pond of potential stewards who can a) afford to purchase chanel and b) run it properly. it would be hard for them to sell it, even to an investment group (which is much more likely). i doubt a gulf nation would want it since qatar is slowly separating themselves from valentino.

the thought of chanel being sold is unsettling and random af. and it makes me want to root for hermes even more.
 
A source told Super Dacob from Youtube that there was conflict between Virginie and Leena Nair, take it with a grain of salt of course as nothing is confirmed:

 
Can I just post the worst 5 looks ever from Virginie? I could list so many flop moments but these five...not even would have conceived such poorly fitted / basic / cheap looks.

- Haute Couture Fall 2021: mix of a baby doll and a silk pajama
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- Haute Couture Spring 2023: a horror movie starring a killer clown named CHANEL. Probably the cheapest show from Virginie: the magician hat, the bowtie, the gold laminated leather calf booties cutting in half the models' legs, the budget setting. Everything was wrong.

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- Fall 2020: Adidas like pants with buttons on the sides paired with boots coming straight from the "Pirates of the carribean" costume wardrobe. Also, Vivienne looks like a plus size model in this image, the fit of the top and the pants is so wrong.
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- Resort 2025: Marseille has never looked so drab and depressing. Hoodie dress with tacky color combo and a big fat *** CHANEL logo...is Marseille in the room with us? Not to mention those nightmare platform plastic flip flops. Yuck.
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- Resort 2024: loved this collab from Virginie with PHILIPP PLEIN. Los Angeles never looked so tacky, garish and vulgar. Platform tacky heels paired with muscle warmer, a basic dress with logo splattered everywhere...in bold psychedelic schizophrenic colored prints. Nice jacket with pink colored pube hair picturing a palm.
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Please show this post anytime someone in here tries to defend Virginie's tenure. I can continue posting other flop collections if you want LOL.
 
In my heart, I just cannot bring myself to hate Virginie. Yes, her designs were god-awful, but I think it's idiotic that she was allowed to be in that position for so long anyway. She was bad, as I've said before, in an honest way. It's really, really bizarre that they didn't have another contingency plan for post-Karl.
 
Karl was the master of ugly cute. He created some truly ugly silhouettes and hideous gimmicks. But you could tell he was just trolling and his collections always rested on classic high quality pieces.

Again, I can't stand the man either alive or in the grave, but his vision was undeniable. There was always humor in his work. That's what Virginie didn't have a drop of.
 
US Harper's Bazaar February 2006
"A Fashionable Life: Virginie Viard"
Photographer: Karl Lagerfeld
Featuring: Virginie Viard



HB Archive
One of my biggest disappointment with Virginie came from the fact that I did loved her style.
It was very rock with a lot of Balenciaga indeed. It turned out that the way she dressed didn’t match the way she wanted women to look like.

When I look at the look from the Marseille collection, I simply can’t imagine her wearing it or finding someone chic while wearing it.

But that’s a fabulous spread on HB!
Great taste and I can only imagine the number of Karl’s portraits and drawings (the same with Caroline Lebar) that she has!
 

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