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I'm glad that they did it. And i think that they handled it with a lot of class.
From the tour to some of La Havana spots to the photo exhibition and then the show in a open space with cuban musicians and dancers. And then, the after party with Karl dancing and everybody having a good time.
It has a joie de vivre, a nonchalant attitude that i love from Karl and that is missing from fashion.

No Lola, this is a very superficial and self-gratifying way of looking at it. About as superficial as Karl's take on Austria, Dubai, Seoul, you name it. It would have felt more earnest had he actually spent more time there, surrounded himself with Cuban artists, immerse himself a bit deeper into the culture and social climate of the country BEFORE fetishizing it's identity for vulgar profit. But this is fashion, designers feel almost entitled to 'draw inspiration' from a culture of which they know bugger all.

And I'm also well aware that this collection wasn't exactly aimed at the Cubans themselves, so I suppose that claim of 'their minimum wage is less than a fraction of a Chanel suit' won't wash. But it would be interesting to know what form of thank you Chanel, and NOT Alliance Française, will be leaving once their party is over. Invest in charitable organisations or was the fact that they hosted a few parties there to begin with enough of an investment?
 
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No Lola, this is a very superficial and self-gratifying way of looking at it. About as superficial as Karl's take on Austria, Dubai, Seoul, you name it. It would have felt more earnest if had he actually spent more time there, surrounded himself with Cuban artists, immerse himself a bit deeper into the culture and social climate of the country BEFORE fetishizing it's identity for vulgar profit. But this is fashion, designers feel almost entitled to 'draw inspiration' from a culture of which they know bugger all.

And I'm also well aware that this collection wasn't exactly aimed at the Cubans themselves, so I suppose that claim of 'their minimum wage is less than a fraction of a Chanel suit' won't wash. But it would be interesting to know what form of thank you Chanel, and NOT Alliance Française, will be leaving once their party is over. Invest in charitable organisations or was the fact that they hosted a few parties there to begin with enough of an investment?

But this is not only about fashion. It also a question of Diplomacy.
We can't just act like people from Chanel or from anywhere else are just taking advantages of those countries. This is not about that. This is a mutual agreement on both sides.
I believe that they are very educated people in those companies who are aware of all those issues.
Chanel itself is a Swiss-American French company and i believe that people are thinking about that (cultural appropriation) but i can't judge a book only by it cover.

We are living in a very cynic world and fashion is just one of it component.
 
But Benn, Karl knowledge is beyond vast, he surely knows everything about Cuba (social, cutural, political...). And he always says he doesn't like travelling, that he has everything on his mind. He prefers to imagine things as he thinks they are or should be or whatever, and I find that very inspiring and cool when you are creating something.

Anyway, I think that his take is very unpretentious, he just borrows some cliches to make the press believe he was showing a "cuban collection" indeed. But 99% of the clothes are what he usually does...

I also think Chanel ethics are much, much, much higher than any fashion company (or company in general) in the world. They are very respectful educated people and they don't do things à la Zara or Nestlé...

BTW, I remember him talking about his Shanghai collection and he really knew everything about clothing history in China... Everything. I'm sure he knows everything about Cuba too. He is just so nonchalant that doesn't care about concepts. He is just doing clothes.
 
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But this is not only about fashion. It also a question of Diplomacy.
We can't just act like people from Chanel or from anywhere else are just taking advantages of those countries. This is not about that. This is a mutual agreement on both sides.
I believe that they are very educated people in those companies who are aware of all those issues.
Chanel itself is a Swiss-American French company and i believe that people are thinking about that (cultural appropriation) but i can't judge a book only by it cover.

We are living in a very cynic world and fashion is just one of it component.

Actually this is not true. This weekend that was an investigation article in the Sunday Times about Cuba and the conclusion was exactly the opposite. There is no structure in place and actually there is none being considered, to allow the poorer people to benefit from this opening. But more important there is a sense of betrayal and cultural confusion about this situation, Cuban and particularly the ones in abject poverty were indoctrinated to believe that capitalism is "evil" , that yes, they sacrificed their lives but that it was for a common good, for a fairer society. Conveniently we think Cubans are eager to adopt western capitalism, when in a way they see it as throwing in their faces that their system of beliefs is worthless. That what they wanted all along was Chanel fashion shows. This is not the reality. People want an improvement in their lives but in their own terms. I think Mullet said it all, i cannot look at this show in isolation from the politics, there is a feeling of vultures circling around waiting to pick at what they can.
 
Actually this is not true. This weekend that was an investigation article in the Sunday Times about Cuba and the conclusion was exactly the opposite. There is no structure in place and actually there is none being considered, to allow the poorer people to benefit from this opening. But more important there is a sense of betrayal and cultural confusion about this situation, Cuban and particularly the ones in abject poverty were indoctrinated to believe that capitalism is "evil" , that yes, they sacrificed their lives but that it was for a common good, for a fairer society. Conveniently we think Cubans are eager to adopt western capitalism, when in a way they see it as throwing in their faces that their system of beliefs is worthless. That what they wanted all along was Chanel fashion shows. This is not the reality. People want an improvement in their lives but in their own terms. I think Mullet said it all, i cannot look at this show in isolation from the politics, there is a feeling of vultures circling around waiting to pick at what they can.

I didn't mentionned anywhere that i believe that is what they wanted. This whole Chanel event is not about what Cubans wanted. Apparently the Castro handled it like a State Visit. Homeless were removed and everything was made for this "event" or "visit" to be the perfect picture postal card for Cuba.

What i wanted to say was that, for me to judge this fashion show, i try to separate the show itself from the madness around the event.
The clothes are great but if we want to talk about the empowerment and the improvement of cubans's lifes, i don't think that fashion can help it right now.

What i don't like is when people are trying to question the intelligence of someone (Karl in this case) based on what they think that person is. I think that Karl has proved to the world that he is far from stupid even if he makes some dumb comments sometimes.

For me it's difficult to talk about this kind of things when it's about fashion because even if it generates a lot of jobs and showcases a lot of talents, this kind of events (but not only) makes you question the values of the whole fashion industry.
 
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I for one am not questioning Karl's intelligence, but his lack of sensibility and his starvation for make profit by descending on them with the very picture of inequality as its most brutal while they're still getting, to put an example, their rice portions measured. And like Les Sucettes said, this is a country that despite their struggles thanks to the capitalism that strangled them for decades, has been very proud and highly educated and fully informed on their condition, there was no interest to be capitalist really, interest for no blockade and to live in good conditions yes.. all humans want that. So this looks like one tasteless slap on the face. Also the 'viva coco libre' really got me.. what the f*ck..

I don't believe in fashion being just silly or cute or superficial and light hearted, I think that when it is deeply insensitive and stupid, it should received criticism, just like everything else receives it.. what makes them different? the fact that "it's just clothes"? people receive criticism for how they sell or not sell legos too under political agendas. This is no different.
 
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So, a country with a certain type of economy/society can't recieve a visit, can't be used as the stage of a show and a party, can't be used as an inspiration?

As Lola said, I think we are going too far...
 
But Benn, Karl knowledge is beyond vast, he surely knows everything about Cuba (social, cutural, political...). And he always says he doesn't like travelling, that he has everything on his mind. He prefers to imagine things as he thinks they are or should be or whatever, and I find that very inspiring and cool when you are creating something.

Anyway, I think that his take is very unpretentious, he just borrows some cliches to make the press believe he was showing a "cuban collection" indeed. But 99% of the clothes are what he usually does...

I also think Chanel ethics are much, much, much higher than any fashion company (or company in general) in the world. They are very respectful educated people and they don't do things à la Zara or Nestlé...

BTW, I remember him talking about his Shanghai collection and he really knew everything about clothing history in China... Everything. I'm sure he knows everything about Cuba too. He is just so nonchalant that doesn't care about concepts. He is just doing clothes.

Interesting point, I think he does know a lot but he knows/ sees Chinese fashion through a Parisian glass; i.e how the europeans see Chinese fashion. In a CNN interview he openly said that he doesn't speak Chinese and that we as westerners do not know China at all. And I think the same goes for this Cuba collection, he knows it from his perspective, which is very Eurocentric and a bit colonial.

I don't think this collection is a mistake but I wouldn't do it so soon, there's still unimaginable poverty in this country and the progress and opening of the country will take some time. I think Karl is slowly running out of ideas and digs for everything he can possibly find to show off.
 
I for one am not questioning Karl's intelligence, but his lack of sensibility and his starvation for make profit by descending on them with the very picture of inequality as its most brutal while they're still getting, to put an example, their rice portions measured. And like Les Sucettes said, this is a country that despite their struggles thanks to the capitalism that strangled them for decades, has been very proud and highly educated and fully informed on their condition, there was no interest to be capitalist really, interest for no blockade and to live in good conditions yes.. all humans want that. So this looks like one tasteless slap on the face. Also the 'viva coco libre' really got me.. what the f*ck..

I don't believe in fashion being just silly or cute or superficial and light hearted, I think that when it is deeply insensitive and stupid, it should received criticism, just like everything else receives it.. what makes them different? the fact that "it's just clothes"? people receive criticism for how they sell or not sell legos too under political agendas. This is no different.

I agree with you to a certain point. It seems like the show is taking the very best of cultural Cuba and blending it together with the Chanel heritage. It is still apparel aimed for rich people around the world, not necessarily people in Cuba. Who probably couldn't afford the cheapest item in this collection.

There's no wrong doing in being inspired by a country's romantic idea and aesthetic But personally I'd not show in Cuba, especially when the contrast between rich and poor is so stark.
 
^Yesterday I was talking about that with a friend. Why Cuba? It's a weird destination. Although Chanel has gone to weird destinations (for a luxury brand) before. I don't know... There must be a reason.
 
Knardi, not probably, they can't, just like most people in developed countries can't either, except Cubans can barely afford one pair of sandals and two is a wild number. It does appear to be going too far with the oversimplistic, playful fashion approach. Nobody said Cuba can't be visited or that their culture shouldn't be used for inspiration, it's about the purpose, the representation of a side of the capitalist economy that by its very nature, has to sustain itself on inequality, showcasing products for status in a place that continues to put up with the consequences of what they're promoting.

Also think this archaic mentality to separate the field of fashion from all things responsible and [insert some cliché on Paris and the parisian dream] to justify it, especially when they venture into territories that are the result of a political shift, is one of the reasons why it's still heavily anchored in the old and just won't move forward and has a tiny voice as a creative outlet...
 
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BTW, it's still incredible the beyond huge amount of money that Chanel expends in this sort of things. It's the only brand in the world who could do that...

Even more incredible considering that WWD reported that they weren't given the permission to show there until March:shock::shock:
To organize something like that in less than two months is INSANE!
 
^It amazes me... The same with the Dallas collection. Producing a film, paying A-list actresses to act, paying guests' 5* hotels rooms, building the stages... How many millions? It's really incredible.
 
^ I'm less worried about the cost of the whole thing, cause Chanel has huge production budgets for everything they do and Cuba is still a cheap country. I think they rented out a whole avenue in Havana so they used that as a backdrop instead of building a venue, which saved them money I presume.

It's just the stark contrast between what's actually happening in Cuba versus the overt display of luxury and fashion that is bothering me. I just saw a video where they interviewed a local woman that said that people are really excited for new things like this happening around the corner but they were kept away and not invited to the actual show... I think they don't realize that Chanel is a fiercely exclusive club that is not particularly happy to welcome people of lesser means.
 
^ I'm less worried about the cost of the whole thing, cause Chanel has huge production budgets for everything they do and Cuba is still a cheap country. I think they rented out a whole avenue in Havana so they used that as a backdrop instead of building a venue, which saved them money I presume.

It's just the stark contrast between what's actually happening in Cuba versus the overt display of luxury and fashion that is bothering me. I just saw a video where they interviewed a local woman that said that people are really excited for new things like this happening around the corner but they were kept away and not invited to the actual show... I think they don't realize that Chanel is a fiercely exclusive club that is not particularly happy to welcome people of lesser means.

THIS! The thing that i'm trying to say is that it's not a Chanel thing. This has more to do with politics than the brand itself.
I'm french but i've Central Africans origins and with my experience i can tell you that in many (to not say most) developing countries you can experience the separation between the "elite" and the rest of the people.
The gouvernment in those countries can literally block the streets from a whole city or area just for a fancy event that will be only enjoy by the elite, just in front of the poor population.

What i'm trying to say is that Chanel may have it own responsabilities for agreeing to stage a show there but we can't just only blame them for the way it happened.

It's hard to just imagine that the Castro will agree to have such an event with their population. It's sad but in most of the cases it rarely happens.
 
Havana Ball: Chanel Gives Cruise a Latin Beat
By Miles Socha
HAVANA – Here’s a little-known fact about Karl Lagerfeld: He’s a massive fan of Latin music, which he reckons is in the throes of a comeback.

“Mambo No. 5” by Xavier Cugat, who popularized the genre in America in the Forties and Fifties, is a particular favorite.

Probably even lesser known is the fact that Lagerfeld was once a cha-cha and tango champion. The German designer took lessons in his early days in Paris at the Georges & Rosy dance academy on the Rue de Varenne, and would practice in nightclubs.

“I won contests,” Lagerfeld said Monday as he put the finishing touches on Chanel’s cruise collection, which he dubbed “Coco Cuba” and paraded Tuesday night on El Paseo del Prado, a handsome tree-lined boulevard framed by four statues of lions, a symbol of Chanel.

The audience took in the open-air show seated on park benches as the Latin beats ricocheted off the handsome buildings, capturing the essence of lively, steamy Havana, where music leaks from open windows at night and dancing can spontaneously erupt on sidewalks.

The collection riffed lightly on Cuban-isms: The neat vertical pleats of guayaberas — typical men’s shirts — were incorporated into Chanel jackets; beach-y colors and slogans were splashed across nubby tweeds and souvenir T-shirts, and the vivid paint jobs on bulbous Fifties cars were echoed on sequined dresses. One of the latter, in teal, hugged the curves of Lindsey Wixson — a wiz at sashaying down a runway — like a fender does a tire on a vintage Chevy.

Never mind that house founder Gabrielle Chanel never stepped foot in the Caribbean country — “Perhaps she smoked cigars,” Lagerfeld teased — or that he hadn’t either until Sunday night, when he toured Havana, taking in its decaying colonial buildings, sunbaked colors and clandestine retro taxis. Lagerfeld found it all “beautiful in a way, even if it’s a little neglected — the colors, the cars, there’s something very touching about it. Cuba is like nothing else in the world,” he said. “It has an identity I love, and I always wanted to go, but I need a professional reason.”

Lagerfeld said he hit upon the idea to do a show in Cuba long before visits by Pope Francis, President Obama and The Rolling Stones — all potent symbols of an isolated, stagnating nation slowly opening up to the world.

“It was like a private joke because I thought it was impossible,” the designer said. “Suddenly, Cuba is the most talked-about thing in the world and we’re the first with fashion.”

To be sure, Lagerfeld and Chanel touched down in Havana as the country sits on the cusp of sweeping changes. In one of those strange coincidences that happen frequently with Lagerfeld, a Carnival cruise ship laden with 700 passengers from Miami docked on Monday – the first in decades and a symbol of how rapidly the barriers between communist Cuba and capitalist America are crumbling.

Chanel, too, imported some 700 people for the show, treating editors, clients and VIPs to lavish dinners, a “Cuba Revolution” tour, cigar factory visits and a night at the Tropicana, the famous cabaret where lithe dancers shake their ruffles like there’s no tomorrow.

Locals crowded on balconies and on rooftops overlooking the boulevard, and shrieked upon the arrival of Vin Diesel, in town shooting the eighth instalment of “Fast & Furious” – practically a slogan for the changes gripping Cuba. The actor arrived in a red and white Mercury named Lola, dressed in a white guayabera, and marveled at history unfolding on the island nation. “We had the first American military aircraft flying here since 60 years,” he said. “And a Chanel show in Havana. It’s never happened before.”

Diesel said he was first in Cuba 17 years ago, and confessed, “I love it so much it’s scary.”

Lagerfeld’s affection was also plain on the runway. Forgetting a few feathery mambo sleeves that had a whiff of Tropicana, he etched the Latin theme lightly and blended it with Parisian chic. There was a host of long and frothy dresses with full skirts, gleaming cha-cha numbers, a surfeit of great knits and lots of crafty touches, including fringing and loose, macramé weaves.

“The collection is an idea of a chic and modern Cuba,” he said. “It’s easy pieces.”

Stella Tennant, in a mannish jacket with pinstriped white pants and a sparkly cummerbund, was the first to tread the long and wide public space. The tailoring yielded to vaguely Fifties silhouettes with pinched waists and fanning skirts – the dominant silhouette. Then the looks came in the manner of Diesel’s film, from vaguely military shirt jackets with silvery embroideries to candy-striped pants and sultry, multi-color lace skirts.

Accessories included jaunty straw Panamas and sparkly black berets, which could be seen as a wink to the French capital – or Che Guevara, a major figure of the Cuban Revolution in the Fifties.

Celebrity guests, many of them stepping foot in Cuba for the first time, were dazzled by the place.

“I’m in awe, of the colors, the buildings, the music, the smiles – people are so nice. It’s just magnificent,” said Vanessa Paradis, who is gearing up for her stint as a juror at the Cannes Film Festival later this month.

Tilda Swinton, filming Joon-ha Bong’s “Okja” opposite Jake Gyllenhaal and Lily Collins, was mum on its plotline, but said filming would move from Korea to New York and wind up in Vancouver. Currently on screens in “A Bigger Splash,” the Scottish actress is slated to reunite again with director Luca Guadagnino on “Suspiria,” a thriller set in a ballet school.

Costumes are typically key to their collaboration, “but we don’t know quite yet,” she said, cooling herself with a canary yellow fan. “It’s set in the Seventies.”

Chanel’s show climaxed with a drum corps that got the models dancing and Swinton shaking her hips, sweat dotting her pristine white shirt.

Bruno Pavlovsky, president of Chanel fashion, said the house only obtained the green light from Cuban authorities to stage the show in March, but had contingency plans to mount a Cuban-style event in Paris – as it has done for past Métiers d’Art collections that referenced Russia, India and Turkey.

The event winked to the Twenties and Thirties, when Cuba first emerged as a popular cruise destination in the Caribbean. And as with Chanel’s other itinerant fashion shows, the exotic locale and narrative anoints the collection with a collectability factor that ignites desire among loyal clients.

“They love to have these kind of strong, identifiable pieces – something you keep forever. It’s more than just clothes,” Pavlovsky said. “The money we invest in the show generates content for the rest of the year. It’s the showcase, the story around it.”

Chanel invited about 100 top customers, mainly from the U.S. and South and Central America, to witness the spectacle, along with tours and a visit to La Factoria, which is hosting an exhibition of Lagerfeld photos as part of a month-long program of French culture in Cuba.

Pavlovsky said he’s confident he can achieve double-digit growth for the cruise collection despite a challenging economic backdrop. Trouble spots for all luxury players include Paris, Brussels and Istanbul – reeling from terrorist attacks and diminished tourism – along with Russia, Brazil and Hong Kong.

While Chanel logged a single-digit sales increase in 2015, Pavlovksy is targeting “more or less flat growth in 2016 compared to the year before. We have to be cautious.”

Chanel has zero business in Cuba, but is charting growth across Latin America, Pavlovsky said. The house operates three stores in Brazil; added a boutique in Panama last July and a second location in Mexico City last year.

The executive stressed that showing in Havana was purely a creative impulse by Lagerfeld, with no political message. He and the designer acknowledged that the event could raise the profile of Cuba and advance its progress.

To be sure, Chanel brought a bevy of wealthy guests and influential editors, also hiring local models, chauffeurs, caterers and event planners. A party in one of Old Havan’s most picturesque squares, the Plaza de la Cathedral, followed Tuesday night’s show.

Wixson, for one, could not have been more grateful, approaching Lagerfeld for a fitting with her hands in the prayer position.

“Thank you, Karl, for bringing us to Cuba,” she said.

The indefatigable Lagerfeld is already zeroing in on a location for Chanel’s next Métiers d’Art show in December, hinting that it would take place in Europe. But first is a campaign shoot for Coco Cuba, with the designer mulling as a location La Pausa, a vacation home the founder built in the Thirties in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France. It was recently acquired by Chanel.
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what goes around comes around. It is precisely because they have such huge production budgets do they now need to make all these many collections to sell more products, and some of the other reasons we discuss in the "is fashion less interesting now?" thread.
They will need to make money, and how do they do this? produce more collections, create demands, raise prices, stop repairing bags older than 5 years old? I dont think Chanel can be excluded from the fashion circus we see today.

I am not familiar with price increments at Chanel or any deficiencies of products compared to yester years or any of such tools use to make more money. But fact remains Chanel, pretty as it is, remains a money making machine.

I was in Cuba for 2 weeks 2 years ago and it is quite surreal with almost zero American influence, and people are also indeed "purer", there are crime rates but it remains very low and is indeed rich in its cultural offerings. The other smililarly talked about place in this world is perhaps Pyeong Yang, but that is impossible to do a show like this.

My business sensibilities would say it is a perfect choice for a Chanel cruise collection, creating all the hype and uniqueness etc etc.
but from an emotional point of view, it is sad to see it being used like that, like what mullet mentioned above.
 
^Yesterday I was talking about that with a friend. Why Cuba? It's a weird destination. Although Chanel has gone to weird destinations (for a luxury brand) before. I don't know... There must be a reason.

Not so weird when you bear in mind that Cuba has been trending in the fashion world since last summer. You havent noticed the recent spate of Cuban themed fashion features? Porter, W, Marie Claire? That was all due to the abolishment of a diplomatical US embargo which lasted well over 50 years.

So Chanel in Cuba? Topical and exceedingly relevant, I'll give them that. It'll certainly get tongues wagging. It's what lies beyond the glitz and glam which leaves a bitter aftertaste for me.

I feel a bit like a cherry-picking turncoat because just the other day I argued with another member (I won't namedrop!) that an artist should create work without overt political nuances or agendas. And now when Karl did exactly that, well, the superficiality of it all is almost irresponsible when you think of the context. *Sigh* The dilemma of the Gemini.....
 
I actually don't relate the "Is fashion less interesting" question to Chanel. They've been doing the same for 15 years...With precollections all around the world and all. And Chanel clothes are always what they are. They barely change. You don't see a big downfall as of late if you compare a 2015 collection with one from 2001. They treat the main designer as a treasure, they are buying many artisanal companies to save the savoir-faire... Chanel is in a league of its own.

^Yes, Cuba is on the news indeed, but from a market point of view... I don't know. The chose Scotland, Rome, Venice... And those aren't very big markets either. And I think it doesn't create that much of a buzz (in TFS maybe, because of this 'polemic'), or not much more buzz that a usual resort collection. I think a show in China, Japan, Russia or even Brasil is much more... strategic. And considering how expensive showing a collection outside Paris is, they choose weird countries sometimes.
 
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I'm french but i've Central Africans origins and with my experience i can tell you that in many (to not say most) developing countries you can experience the separation between the "elite" and the rest of the people.
The gouvernment in those countries can literally block the streets from a whole city or area just for a fancy event that will be only enjoy by the elite, just in front of the poor population.
I'm wondering how are origins experience?..

I can't think of any country in the Americas shutting down 9 de julio, paseo de la reforma, avenida paulista, just because Chanel called and they thought it was a cute street to showcase their 4K ponchos and funky sombreros for a tiny group of foreigners whose wealth likely comes and grows from questionable sources. There is inequality and it's breathable in every aspect of life but the elite doesn't really get away with collective and public displays like this anymore and haven't since like 1820 despite what the French are told, unless for towns you understand one-street villages where the mayor is also the only businessman, cattleman, spiritual leader and fashion force. People are a lot more aware of what's right and what's plain screwed up than they're, evidently, given credit for. Chanel doing that in Cuba is just being opportunistic of a door that's been unlocked and conditions that haven't changed because they can't change overnight, so they got free reign and went for it under the 'it's inspiration!' line, which in this particular context is crass. It would've been much more inspirational as a matter of fact if he had done it 10 years ago, the way Wim Wenders produced there without a political agenda, the way even Bazaar and Vogue landed there, going past politics. The context but especially the form of presentation now is quite s*itty. Like milking a cow that was previously blindfolded and not being milked, and filling up several bottles to sell for 1K while at it... lol
 

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