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Did you go to the Murakami exhibition this week at the Brooklyn Museum?
No, I’m not a big Murakami fan. I really had very little interest in going to see that.
What about Cai Guo-Qiang’s exhibition at the Guggenheim?
I did see that. Of course, yes. I was very impressed. I think to see art on that scale is just very rare, and I was kind of blown away and there was lots of crowds. I went one day when it was raining and there was a line about five blocks long to get in and I just thought, forget it, I’ll have to come back another day [laughs]. And luckily the next time I went back it wasn’t as busy. It’s unbelievable though. I’ve heard the crowds have been really big there, every day, which is pretty amazing. I kind of wished that the “place cards,” you know, the things that explain what the art’s about, I kind of wish I hadn’t been reading those and just let myself interpret it in my own way. I felt reading the cards took away from the experience a little, somehow. They were very informative but almost too much, you know, just spelled it out so eagerly for you.
I thought the boat you could get into was a bit odd.
Yes. The room when you go around with the river, somehow I didn’t feel that fit in so easily with the rest.
I thought the wolves running into a sheet of fibreglass really did it for me.
Yes. I did too. And did you see the watercolour of the tigers, like the classic kind of woodcutting. Was that his father’s or had he done that? I like the cars suspended from the roof, too. That reminds me of a friend of mine, an artist, Spencer Sweeney. He had a show, I guess a couple of years ago at Gavin Brown’s, and they had an old New York City police car which they had gutted and hung upside down that had all the disco balls and lights, and all the lights were flashing like a disco thing. That was really amazing, too.
Coincidentally, we’re running a shot in this month’s fashion section of the ballet flat you designed for Repetto’s 60th anniversary. I love your design.
Thank you. I was actually just inspired by the old Vivienne Westwood shoes and the Comme des Garçons shoes, you know, with the straight platform across, not really a wedge, more like a lift. I guess that’s like a traditional Japanese style.
How did you get to collaborate with them?
They gave me a list of the designers and I thought it seemed like a pretty good cross-section of people and we agreed. It was funny. When I was in Paris, outside the store – I had never been there before – there was a line outside the store to get in and I had to queue up behind the velvet rope. While I was in the queue I was like . . . [mock delirious] God, they’re my shoes in the window! Can I cut the line? [Laughs.]
I’ve been strolling around Soho and I see Kate Moss for Top Shop clothes, Olsen twins stuff, Natalie Portman shoes, there’s Jovovich-Hawk. This celebrity-designer market is getting competitive, isn’t it?
Yes, I agree with you, but I think there’s so much variety. For instance, what Kate Moss is doing for Top Shop is very mass market produced. And the Olsen twins is very high end, high-end fabrics, very expensive. Natalie’s is a very small niche and what she’s done is very personal. What I tried to do with Opening Ceremony, I hoped people would be able to recognise that I put a lot of work into it, rather than it just being something I approved. It was very thought out and very personal for me as well.
It seems you have a love/hate relationship with fashion. Can we expect more fashion from Chloë Sevigny?
No, absolutely not. I’m taking a big break from fashion. I’m not going to do another line. It was a one-off. We decided maybe in a couple of years we’ll do a boy’s line, but I think for a little while I should step out of fashion and concentrate much more on the film work. The problem – well, it’s not a problem – but I had signed on to do this HBO series called
Big Love and . . . the problem with
Big Love is that it’s not a regular schedule like network television. They have you on a retainer and you’re not allowed to do other work because they say, “Well, we might need you.” So for the past three or four years, getting film work has been much more difficult because people aren’t as apt to hire me because they don’t know if I’ll have to go back and do the series. It’s been really fulfilling, a great experience, I love doing the show . . . but my film work has really suffered because of it. So I need to stay in Los Angeles for six months and concentrate on finding something to do when the season ends in November.
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Do you make your merry way from New York to Los Angeles often?
Not merrily, more like miserably [laughs]. I live in New York, I own an apartment, and Los Angeles is just a place I come to work. Now I’m going to buckle down and concentrate on work. It’s been hard but I’m going to try and force myself to stay here and do something, but my life has always been more important than my work. But, you know, we’ve had writers’ strikes in New York, so I’ve been doing other things for the last six months and things came around . . . I was doing more work in fashion and whatnot because I wanted to be in New York and there wasn’t much work to be had. So everything is circumstantial as well. There’s no master plan.
So you actively dislike Los Angeles.
Yes. I have to drag me kicking and screaming, as a matter of fact, to LA.
Do you feel differently about your sexuality in New York and Los Angeles?
I was thinking about that just the other day. Whenever I’m here in LA, whatever kind of confidence I’ve gained in New York goes out the window [laughs] . . . because the city is built around the industry or something, I’m not sure what it is, but the town always does my head in and I’m trying to get over that.
Having lived as you did for a long time with the It-girl label, is it a good or bad thing?
I’m not sure. The It-girl concept has been around forever and people don’t have very long attention spans these days, so it’s out with the old, in with the new over and over again. I’ve tried not to let that dictate me and what I’m going to do, but do what I want regardless. I haven’t been like, “Oh my God, I have to be out there, I have to be present.” I’ve never really felt like that. As where, a lot of people when they become successful, that kind of bogs them down. Because once you get really big and on top, you have to try very hard to stay there, I think.
Who’s the current It girl for you?
Oh jeez, I don’t know [laughs].
You must.
Nooo . . . I guess Ellen Page is having a moment. She’s the girl from Juno. Who else? I feel like there must be others but they’re not coming to me right now.
You think Ellen merits her moment?
I like her attitude, although I haven’t really seen enough to judge her yet. But I like her . . . she’s okie [laughs]. She’s kind of in the vein of all those other sassy young actresses with “wise beyond their years” attitudes.
Talking of Natalie Portman, have you seen The Other Boleyn Girl [also starring Scarlett Johansson]?
I did and I have to say I was really impressed with Scarlett’s performance. Scarlett’s so attractive it’s distracting. I felt Natalie was a little young for that part. It was more casting than her, per se. We often say there’s no such thing as bad acting, just bad casting [laughs].
What about the style merits of the two?
I think in some ways they’re very similar. Acting is their main thing, so whether they’re style icons doesn’t really bother them. I think Scarlett maybe has more fun with it, more of a “who cares?” attitude, as where perhaps Natalie is very much more classical or timeless. I don’t think either of them really cares too much about anything else to propel them. They’re both so incredibly attractive . . . as where some others, maybe we need help [laughs].
What about Madonna’s daughter, Lourdes? Do you think she’ll become an It girl?
I think she’s too young. They’re not going to exploit her in that way. But she’s so beautiful. Maybe her mother will help her deal with that in some way . . . [laughs]. Her mum’s pretty savvy that way, no?
Just a bit. I see Wong Kar-wai’s My Blueberry Nights just premiered in New York. Did you see it?
I did see that. I thought the film was stunning visually and I thought Natalie was the best . . . she and Rachel Weisz [laughs]. But I was amazed by that one strand of hair that stayed on her face the whole time – how did they get just that one strand? [Laughs.] But overall I wasn’t crazy about the movie. Once again I felt Natalie was too young for the character. [Sevigny lets out a small scream.]
Are you okay?
There’s some crazy animal fight happening outside my room. Can you hear it? Gosh, my first night in a new house and there are raccoons screaming outside my window. It’s always kind of scary when you’re walking up the path at night and you’re thinking, oh God, these raccoons are going to come out and get me.
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A great metaphor for the industry in Los Angeles. You only just arrived in LA, yet you were training with a choreographer for Barry Munday today.
Yes. There’s a scene in the movie where the title character goes to a strip club and he thinks he sees my character dancing there. And my character is like a real “goody two-shoes” in the movie. You know, the family jewel, the favourite child. I can’t really give anything away, but I have to do the dance . . . so I had to learn some moves.
Are you not a great mover?
No, I’m awful [laughs]. The choreographer was very patient with me. My character is quite sexy and attractive, and as such I’ve never really played a sexy girl. They’re always kind of frumpy or . . .
Damaged?
Yes. And she’s very confident, and it’s a comedy. That’s great for me because I haven’t really done anything comedic in film.
Big Love has its comedic moments, but it’s nothing like this.
That interests me about you. You’ve always played dark characters, yet there’s a feeling you have more to give. While your films have been interesting, they haven’t explored your full range. I’d love to see you do more comedy. I think you’d do it well.
Thank you. My friends agree with that [laughs].
What are you reading?
Right now I’m reading a biography of Judy Garland, who I’m obsessed with, so I’ve been watching a lot of her films and listening to a lot of her records. I’ve been reading about fascinating women. Before that I was reading about Nancy Cunard, who was a socialite, a champion of equal rights and dated black men in the ’20s and was very controversial, so I’ve been in kind of a “bio” moment . . . Oh my God!
The raccoons again?
Yeah.
What’s your politics? Where do you stand on Clinton versus Obama?
I’m undecided. I tend not to get political in magazines. But I’m definitely left-leaning. The problem is, I like Obama’s policies but I like Hillary’s personality a little more. Not that one outweighs the other, but yeah . . .
What was Woody Allen’s perception of you when he cast you, and did it change?
[Laughs] Woody Allen probably said about four words to me the entire time we were shooting. I read something about Judy Davis, who said she’d worked on a bunch of his films, maybe four or five, and he’s probably said four or five words to her, so . . . I felt like I was in good company. I thought at least if he doesn’t say anything to me, he must be happy with what I’m doing.
Are costume and wardrobe crew on film sets scared by your style credentials?
Nooo. I hope not. But I did have one director who said to me, “Do you know what I find works for me, Chloë? When I focus on my own job.” [Laughs] But I’m just obsessive-compulsive sometimes and it happened to be that the set dresser was trying to dress the set and put more stuff there and I was making suggestions, but I guess he didn’t like that. So, you know, what can you do? I couldn’t help it. Film is a collaborative effort and I’m trying to keep my mouth shut or not, you know . . . [laughs].
If you were me, trying to “package” you in this cover story, what’s the angle, what would you say?
I think a lot of people probably assume with the fashion that I love it, that I court it, but I don’t necessarily. That’s not something I’ve really admitted before in the same way. Some people know me solely for that and it’s frustrating, but at least more people are watching
Big Love and I think opinions are starting to change.
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