Cows Milk vs. Soy Milk?

[Sweets]

i think that many doctors dont know so much about nutrition... to them cows milk is just the best all around food... but it causes so many problems in so many people and they are just not knoledgeable to diagnose it... such a shame

 

[sadejack]

I now drin Soy Milk most of the time, but I put regular full fat milk in my tea. I miss regular cow's milk sooo bad. Soy milk is watery and the taste is like blended vegetables .

 

[Skywire]

I now drin Soy Milk most of the time, but I put regular full fat milk in my tea. I miss regular cow's milk sooo bad. Soy milk is watery and the taste is like blended vegetables .

Why drink it if you hate it so much

I have always hated any type of milk even when i was younger.I just refused to drink it.Now if i have to have it i have soya milk.

 

[stella-mayfair]

i think that many doctors dont know so much about nutrition... to them cows milk is just the best all around food... but it causes so many problems in so many people and they are just not knoledgeable to diagnose it... such a shame

i think you're right sweets. the average allopath recommends antibiotics, hormone therapy, "mood enhancers" and cr*p like that just because suppressing the patient's symptoms is much more convenient than finding out about the real reason why somebody has health problems.

 

[misssakura]

I now drin Soy Milk most of the time, but I put regular full fat milk in my tea. I miss regular cow's milk sooo bad. Soy milk is watery and the taste is like blended vegetables .

Man, what brand are you buying, that sounds awful Don't torture yourself! The brand I get is really creamy. Also if you mix a little bit of caramel soy into the regular creamy (low fat, low sugar) then it makes it taste just like regular milk o_o

Ugh watery soy, that sounds awful *shudder*

 

[susa31]

I'm officially in love with Alpro Soja ...I drink about 250-500 ml of it a day, it tastes soooo good

 

[ninins]

Both in moderation!

As a person with eczema, I've done a lot of research to try to find out what triggers it and helps it. I've read a while ago that soy was not good for people with these types of allergies because of the toxins and only fermented soy was recommended, like tempeh, miso and tamari.

Also, I recently read an article in the SF chronicle about the soy hype. It mainly discusses how the isoflavens and phyto estrogens can really mess with your body (thyroid and menstral). Of course they were talking about consuming an excess amount. However, It was recommended not to exceed 35 milligrams of isoflaven AND 7 grams of soy protein found in soymilk contains 35 milligrams of isoflavens. I would highly recommend reading this article. I love soymilk, and soy products but i am going to cut back. I wouldn't say cow's milk is any better, especially if it's not organic, but it's a good/convenient source of protein.

I read a lot of posts saying "we aren't designed for cow's milk", but I don't think it's true, I think tolerence is effected by genetics, so some people have actually adapted to milk as others have not. The people who are lactose intolerant might want to consider taking some lacto-bacteria supplements to help with digestive problems. I heard goats milk is high in nutrients and better tolerated.

I'm not really an adovcate for cow's milk, I don't like the taste, and I don't like the idea of drinking something that leaked out of cow glands, but I'm not gonna say that it's terrible for you. (although i have read about problems with calcium absorption and low fat milk ). You'd be amazed and turned off by so many things after researching them.

P.S.

EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!

 

[kiss&tell]

I Cows milk. I can't drink soymilk, but I soy foods like tofu and that and soybean drink but that's about it.

 

[misssakura]

I agree with everything in moderation too ninins. My boyfriend and I disagree with the veal trade and anything that isn't organically produced and certified, we cut out milk totally, but we still buy a 500g block of organic cheddar every 3-4 weeks (which lasts us around a month), and we have no problems with it, digesting it etc.

I just prefer drinking soy because it doesn't leave an aftertaste and I don't waste any because its long lasting. It breaks my heart to see supermarkets pour litres of milk down the drain every week - I don't know if any of you have worked in a supermarket, but they have a policy whereby any left over fresh produce that isn't purchased cannot be donated, so all products like milk for example, are thrown away. So they'll get whoever stocks the milk each week to literally pour about 300 litres of milk down the drain, because there is too much produced, without the demand. Because it isn't longlasting, milk can only be legally stacked on the shelf for a maximum of 4 days.

So that is why I totally disagree with the milk industry, it breaks my heart to see that wastage, and i'm sure it would make even the biggest milk lover feel angry to see it. How many cows are treated badly just to satisfy a demand that isn't there? How many veal calves are sent to slaughter in tiny sunless crates just to keep the shelf stocked?

Everything in moderation applies to supply and demand too.

 

[Bonchic]

I've learned that soy milk isn't good for you... I say drink Almond milk

 

[misssakura]

I don't know who to listen to - the most extreme opinions on the net are from those who like Dairy and who are not willing to give it up, those who like soy seem to do it mainly for the ethical reasons. I know that the soy I drink is GMO free and organic - and it doesn't make me phlegmy or have nasty breath - plus no bloating.

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm For example, this article insists that you can only be healthy if you drink milk, and unhealthy if you drink or eat soy. It totally neglects the millions of people who are allergic to dairy products!

http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html This site, starts off writing its own material, but then just directly copies and pastes from the site above, and many others, accepting anti-soy propaganda on the net as fact.

I could go on and on - my main problem with all of these sites is that they are anti-vegetarian. It is like they are terrified of vegetarians ruining their way of life. I can understand that there are health risks but according to 'experts' EVERYTHING will kill us. Whether its dairy, meat, nuts, lack of this, lack of that, too much of this, too much of that - everything I put into my mouth seems to be wracked with debate, and filled with guilt.

The only things I can eat without having a conscience are organic vegetables such as carrots, potatoes and beans - and even then there are claims that carrots eaten raw contain poisons, potatoes induce cancer and vitamin deficiencies and that beans overload the gut and bowels causing problems with excess fibre and waste buildup.

What am I supposed to believe, there is no definitive answer.

I say screw it, I'm only going to live for another 70 years at most. Until they ban soy, i'm going to keep eating it. I love miso, soy milk, tofu and all the rest. as long as the supermarket keeps stocking it, i'm happy.

 

[misssakura]

Also i'd like to add, those articles talk about soy inducing early puberty in boys and girls:

As for girls, an alarming number are entering puberty much earlier than normal, according to a recent study reported in the journal Pediatrics.61 Investigators found that one per cent of all girls now show signs of puberty, such as breast development or pubic hair, before the age of three; by age eight, 14.7 per cent of white girls and almost 50 per cent of African-American girls have one or both of these characteristics.

They refuse to address the problem of steroids and other such drugs found in abudance in non organic milk and meat, as well as fertilizers on non-organic vegetables, which I find to be incredibly irresponsible, and rather desperate to make their point. Perhaps they are right - I detest infants being fed formula unless absolutely necessary - but I doubt soy is the sole culprit, if at all.

Edit: http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm really interesting article for those with a bit of time on their hands, relates to the two links I posted above, and also the copied and pasted material by a number of anti-soy webpages relying on magazine articles and other webpages for their stance

 

[brokenenglish]

I've learned that soy milk isn't good for you... I say drink Almond milk

Why isn't it good for you? The high fat?....

Do you guys think that they would have almond milk at the regular supermarket?.....

 

[stella-mayfair]

i don't think so, brokenenglish. most organic food stores carry it, or you can get it via the internet.

you can also make almond milk yourself. here's the recipe, it's from marilyn and harvey diamond's fit for life book:

http://www.formerfatguy.com/recipes/almond-milk-recipe.asp

i'm lazy and that's why i don't prepaare it myself so often :-)

 

[brokenenglish]

^ Thank you so much!!

I don't think I will be making my own anytime soon but will pick some up asap.

 

[sillybear]

Misssakura, you are so dead on with so many of your points you have brought up. People in america, nutritionists, doctors, etc. are used to following what they have been told years ago, and keeping their practices American. I am vegan and believe me I hear my fair share of sh*t from everyone. They never talk about hormones, steroids, antibiotics, and all that DISGUSTING crap that they mix in with the already naturally disgusting puss filled juice from an animal that is not capable of making that much milk in the first place. They have sensitive udders and it is extremely painful for them. And I think the person who kept on talking about how "skeptical" she is, is another sheep following the herd. Do some REAL research and find out the truth for yourself about the dairy industry. You don't see the soy industry flaunting celebrities with moustaches just to make some extra profit. It is a money hungry industry and a lot of what they preach about the benefits of milk is bullsh*t. Why do you think all of a sudden milk has a new campaign that includes "weight loss," because they get people where they are vulnerable. I think americans would be a lot more healthier (we are some of the fattest most sick people in the world, mind you we have all the latest advancements and technology) if they took note to other countries, Japan for instance which was mentioned above. Ultimately everything is bad for you these days, so you should do what you like. But to involve PETA and bring up things that have no relevance just makes people look stupid. And by the way, those of you who purchase organic milk might wanna look into the companies to see whether or not they are really putting organic practices into place (ie: Horizon milk). Sorry if I sound a little aggressive, but I wish people would step outside of their box, and get research from alternative homeopathic sources.

 

[Deleted member 36123]

I personally can't stand soy now because I was forced onto it for a while when they thought I was lactose intolerant. I'm happily back to the cow juice now although I only have about 1/2cup a day if that and I have 99.9% fat free milk always.

 

[baskinrobyns]

I just finished reading a book called Skinny b*tch. Its basically about eating vegan and the whole you are what you eat concept. There was a chapter about why you shouldnt eat dairy (obviously bc vegans dont consume any animal products). They had some really good arguments.

For one, as adults our bodies aren't really meant to process dairy. There is a reason that after we give birth our bodies produce milk and after a while they stop. Babies are meant to be fed milk because it makes them grow and gain a lot of weight in a short amount of time. After you get older you really shouldnt consume milk (or at least not a lot of it). Its pretty much impossible to stay skinny and consume a lot of dairy.

Also, most adults are lactose intolerant but doctors tell you to just take medicine so your body can digest something that it is rejecting and can't process on its own. 90% of asian adults and 80% of african adults are lactose intolerant (I dont remember the other statistics, I let a friend borrow the book so I am going off memory).

Another argument they made is that drinking milk really doesn't help to build bone mass or aid in calcium deficiency. I study was done among african tribes and the only tribe out of something like 80 that had calcium deficiency, was the one tribe that had cattle and ate dairy products.

The USDA are the ones who are supposed to inspect the dairy farms and dairy products in this country but the people that run it are looking out to protect and promote the dairy farmers so it's pretty much a conflict of interest (seeing as its kind of hard to protect the public from the people they are also trying to protect).

Cows are treated horribly at dairy farms. They are hooked up to machines and made to produce more milk than they ever would in a natural setting. Not to mention because of the awful conditions they are fed a steady stream of antibiotics (which you end up eating when you drink the milk) and this leads to virus mutation and all sorts of other problems. The babies are seperated from their mothers and fed through tubes. The milk that they are fed often contains cow blood (hellllo cannibalization) and this canlead to the spread of disease (such as mad cow).

Another problem with the dairy industry is that it is government subsidized. Why do you think school lunch programs include milk? The government buys the surplus of milk and dairy products and pumps it into the school lunch programs (and the same exact thing happens with all of the surplus meat that the cattle industry produces). So these industries don't have to worry about money because the government is always there to bail them out.

I just think that you can't trust any milk (or dairy) that is inspected by the USDA because it doesn't really mean anything. If you really can't give up milk, try to buy organic milk made from farms where the cows are in a natural environment and are not fed anything like antibiotics, etc. If you can give up milk, drink soy. Its better for you and at least you won't be promoting the gross practices of the dairy industry in this country.

 

[ninins]

humans have been drinking milk (whether it's cow's milk, goat milk, etc.) for THOUSANDS of years and have benefited from it. Of course of a vegan will write about how BAD diary is for you and our bodies aren't meant for animal products, I've heard it all, but have never seen any scientific evidence that show's this applies to ALL humans.

I will say it again, I think it's all in the way it's processed. A balanced, organic diet is the best way to go.

 

[delerith]

Personally, living in Russia I got used to drink milk, especially in cold time but after reading this topic I dicided to give a try to soy milk.What can I say - not bad, not bad at all. Though my boyfriend hate it :-)