Daniel Lee - Designer, Creative Director of Burberry

first of all Khaite and Cate should have their own thread.

Critics get so snarky about Khaite and it’s so hilarious to see them get so bemused that a brand so critically panned has such commercial success.

They much prefer brands that make no money like Collina Strada and Eckhaus Latta because they are only interested in the art not the business.

The young girls and Gen Zs are obsessed with khaite.
 
first of all Khaite and Cate should have their own thread.

Critics get so snarky about Khaite and it’s so hilarious to see them get so bemused that a brand so critically panned has such commercial success.

They much prefer brands that make no money like Collina Strada and Eckhaus Latta because they are only interested in the art not the business.

The young girls and Gen Zs are obsessed with khaite.
But the critic on creativity of Khaite is valid its not snarky, it's a contemporary brand acting like a designer brand because one look at the offering and you see clear dupes off new Alaia and YSL and The Row.

It makes sense that fashion or art critics look for authenticity in the work regardless of how a brand or artist sells, it's not a bloomberg piece on the business of Khaite to be fair.

Just had a look the prices are higher than i remember the brand to be, its crazy 8 k for a long leather coat dupe of Alaia via YSL Vaccarello and people complain about Phoebe prices lol
 
it's a contemporary brand acting like a designer brand because one look at the offering and you see clear dupes off new Alaia and YSL and The Row.
They are definitely not contemporary, if you mean the industry definition of contemporary which includes Sandro, Maje, The Kooples. Khaite is merchandised with Alaia and The Row althogh they are less established.

The quality of Khaite especially the leather goods are at the high end.

I agree there’s nothing inventive about them. They’re kind of like the Zara of luxury fashion, latching onto popular themes of the moment.

But that is why they are so successful. The marketing/ imagery is also really well-done and instrustry-leading.
 
They are definitely not contemporary, if you mean the industry definition of contemporary which includes Sandro, Maje, The Kooples. Khaite is merchandised with Alaia and The Row althogh they are less established.

The quality of Khaite especially the leather goods are at the high end.

I agree there’s nothing inventive about them. They’re kind of like the Zara of luxury fashion, latching onto popular themes of the moment.

But that is why they are so successful. The marketing/ imagery is also really well-done and instrustry-leading.
Only part i disagree is that for me It behaves totally like a contemporary brand regardless of its high price point.
For me key reason it's not a designer brand because it lacks a distinct point of view and story that is build around codes and design principles , instead like you said: They’re kind of like the Zara of luxury fashion, latching onto popular themes of the moment.
And in a very obvious way every items you can recognize from what brand was on the moodboard or rented vintage to use as base , all mixed up then you have Khaite.
 
first of all Khaite and Cate should have their own thread.

Critics get so snarky about Khaite and it’s so hilarious to see them get so bemused that a brand so critically panned has such commercial success.

They much prefer brands that make no money like Collina Strada and Eckhaus Latta because they are only interested in the art not the business.

The young girls and Gen Zs are obsessed with khaite.
I'll make a thread for Khaite when she announces something for her brand.
 

Burberry is at a crossroads: What’s next​

The British luxury brand is no longer ranked among the 100 most valuable companies on the London Stock Exchange. Its next steps are crucial.
BY KIRSTY MCGREGOR
September 4, 2024


It’s official: Burberry has fallen off the FTSE 100, the list of the 100 most highly capitalised blue-chip companies listed on the London Stock Exchange. The news was confirmed on Wednesday following the FTSE’s latest quarterly reshuffle.

While expected — given its share price has plummeted by 70 per cent since this time last year — it is nonetheless a blow to the British fashion industry. Burberry is the UK’s largest luxury fashion export, and the headline attraction of London Fashion Week. Many of the reasons for its decline are specific to the business, but it fuels wider concerns around the future of the industry.

Burberry is already fighting back. In July, it announced that Jonathan Akeroyd was out as CEO, and it was drafting in industry veteran Joshua Schulman, whose career spans both high-end luxury and more aspirational brands such as Michael Kors and Coach. On Tuesday, Burberry announced that Schulman is bolstering his leadership team with two appointments.

Jonathan Kiman will join as chief marketing officer on 9 September from Gucci, where he held the same role, while Laura Dubin-Wander joined on 4 September as president of Americas from OTB North America, where she was CEO. In a statement, Schulman highlighted Kiman’s experience in “rejuvenating brands and building digital-savvy marketing organisations”, and Dubin-Wander’s “results-driven” approach. The company declined to comment on the FTSE reshuffle.

What the FTSE relegation means

When Burberry first joined the FTSE 100 in 2009, it was a triumphant moment for the business. Christopher Bailey and Angela Ahrendts were at the helm, and the brand relocated to London Fashion Week after years on the Milan schedule. In the years that have followed, Burberry has struggled to get its positioning right.

Cracks started to show last year, when the company said it may not be able to meet its forecast of low double-digit revenue growth for the 2024 fiscal year, blaming the “macroeconomic environment”. This was followed by a profit warning in January after its retail sales tumbled 7 per cent during the all-important golden quarter, ended 30 December. In July, it revealed a worsening picture: retail sales were down 22 per cent in Q1 of its current fiscal year.

Industry observers and analysts are divided over the significance of the FTSE 100 relegation. Luca Solca, sector head for global luxury goods at strategic consultancy Bernstein, says he doesn’t expect it to have much impact on Burberry in a practical sense, nor on the wider industry; rather, it underlines an already-recognised need to pivot Burberry’s approach.

“The luxury market has been difficult in general recently, but Burberry has been particularly weak,” Solca says. “Technically, what has brought Burberry to fall off the FTSE 100 is a material downward correction in its share price. The reason for this has been a failure to develop the brand in the high end as proposed two years ago. This has brought the recent change of CEOs [Akeroyd joined Burberry in 2022, taking over from Marco Gobbetti].”

Adam Cochrane, analyst at Deutsche Bank Research, agrees that it will make no operational difference to Burberry, and may be the catalyst needed to make the necessary changes to get the business back on track. Though he adds: “From an investor standpoint, it does make it harder for some investors to invest in the company, given its size.” However, he does foresee a knock-on impact on the wider industry, especially given Burberry’s emphasis on its Made in UK heritage.

Others agree. “This is a blow for the whole sector in the UK,” says Stéphane Girod, professor of strategy and organisational innovation at Switzerland’s IMD Business School. “Most British luxury players stay small, or they are already foreign owned (Belmond, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Penhaligon’s). The big question I have is: could Burberry be acquired by one of the two fashion conglomerates like LVMH and Kering? Considering the new CEO’s background, we could even see [Michael Kors owner] Capri Holdings becoming interested.”

He suggests that a number of factors have driven Burberry’s decline, including too heavy a reliance on its signature trench coat, an “insufficient strength” in accessories (which have become more important than clothes in driving growth) and its exposure to China. “The latter will continue to impact for quite a while — I do not expect a quick bounce back of the Chinese economy for political reasons.” All of this has been compounded by the luxury slowdown, which has hit brands that are perceived as sitting between the super wealthy and aspirational ends of the luxury pyramid.

Analysts agree that the new leadership team faces a number of challenges, but none terminal. “They should get a more realistic and more commercial perspective on what Burberry is and what it can be,” says Solca. “We have suggested a ‘British Coach’ strategy. Others have called for a ‘British Saint Laurent’. Sticking to what the brand is known and desirable for — the check pattern — having a more realistic price architecture in handbags, and an easier and more popular communication approach, too.”

Girod says that, alongside a resolute focus on quality, making in the UK, improving the retail experience and investing in growing accessories, stability will be key: this includes giving more time to Daniel Lee, who was appointed chief creative officer in 2022. “He will get the brand there, but only if management supports his vision. The sudden success of Miu Miu tells us that when a designer meets its markets, a brand can suddenly take off.”
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Daniel needs more time yes but he also needs a stable and secure working environment…And I suspect that it’s chaos everywhere and judging by what is on the website, clearly the merchandising teams are not working in sync with him.

I’m so confused on how a platform like Vogue Business would put out an article and mention Kering as a potential buyer when the group in struggling. We need some coherence in journalism.

However, I can see the Qataris acquiring Burberry. And it can change everything.
They have the funds, it’s an opportunity to have another asset in Britain and in terms of PR, if they turn things around, it’s good for their image and the relationships with the UK authorities.

Considering that the acquisition of Valentino by Kering is still an option, if Michele is a success, with Balmain still growing, they could have a strong luxury fashion group with Burberry in it.

British Coach is the way to go.
 
I was in Milan a few days ago and there's a rumour going on that he is being considered for Jil Sander. Highly unlikely but all these articles on Burberry's poor performance are going to / already are affecting his attractiveness as a designer so he should jump out soon. No one wants to hire someone with a poor reputation and on top of that who doesn't sell...
 
I was in Milan a few days ago and there's a rumour going on that he is being considered for Jil Sander. Highly unlikely but all these articles on Burberry's poor performance are going to / already are affecting his attractiveness as a designer so he should jump out soon. No one wants to hire someone with a poor reputation and on top of that who doesn't sell...
You know that if Anna likes him (and Renzo listen to Anna) he may have an option there.

After all, Riccardo failed at Burberry too and it’s a general consensus by now that the suits are at fault in the Burberry case.

But Mr Lee won’t have a 3rd chance. His next gig, if next gig happens, will be break it or make it deal!
 
I was in Milan a few days ago and there's a rumour going on that he is being considered for Jil Sander. Highly unlikely but all these articles on Burberry's poor performance are going to / already are affecting his attractiveness as a designer so he should jump out soon. No one wants to hire someone with a poor reputation and on top of that who doesn't sell...
Oh god no. He is awful at both fits and materiality - two central pillars of Jil Sander.
 

Burberry’s New CEO Pledges He Won’t Take Brand Down Market​

Joshua Schulman has pledged to maintain the brand’s elevated positioning while improving price balance, countering speculation that he might steer the iconic British label down market.

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Burberry’s new American boss says taking Britain’s best-known fashion brand down market is not in the cards.

Instead, Joshua Schulman said he wants to stay the course on elevating the brand but with a better balance on prices, speaking after his first London Fashion Week show since taking over as chief executive officer of Burberry Group Plc in July.

In effect, the former CEO of Michael Kors is seeking to address criticism that the UK trench coat maker’s effort to take the label up market was poorly executed, with new, unfamiliar products hastily introduced into stores at inflated prices, confusing customers about the brand.

Schulman’s stint at Michael Kors and Coach, considered affordable luxury brands, had prompted industry analysts to wonder if he’d take Burberry down market. Schulman will unveil his strategy for the brand in November.

The executive has taken charge at a difficult time for Burberry. In addition to an industry-wide slump in the fashion sector hit by falling demand in China and a slowdown in the US, the company has also been grappling with issues specific to it that have resulted in sliding sales and profit.

Earlier this month it was dropped from the FTSE100, ending a 15-year presence on the blue-chip benchmark after its capitalisation fell below the level required to keep its place. Shares have tumbled by more than 75 percent since a record high in April last year. The stock rose as much as 1.8 percent in early London trading on Tuesday.

Burberry designer Daniel Lee, who is under pressure to help the label produce products that appeal to the label’s core customers, unveiled his Spring/Summer 2025 collection in London Monday at the National Theatre.

The collection featured a mix of male and female models wearing different types of jackets and trenches, some revisited with collars that looked like an angel’s wings, in brown, grey as well as pale pink tones.

Jerry Hall, Blur frontman Damon Albarn, actress Olivia Colman, who played the late Queen Elizabeth II in “The Crown” as well as former professional football player Rio Ferdinand were among the front row guests.

Yorkshire-born Lee was appointed two years ago under former CEO Jonathan Akeroyd who sought to bring back Burberry to its British roots. Schulman said he still aims to leverage the Britishness of the label, known for its distinct beige checks.

When asked if the collaboration with Lee would continue, Schulman just said “Today’s show was beautiful,” without elaborating further.

By Angelina Rascouet
BOF
 
Lee's approach is too pretentious for a brand like Jil Sander which is known for pragmatism where Francisco Costa or Narciso Rodriguez would be more suitable for the brand, but Lee could go to Phoebe Philo to make the old Celine great again!
 
This CEO’s comment or „no comment” is so unprofessional; how can you trust designer who is just at the doors and how can you maintain your motivation as designer if you’re reading something like that ? Well now we know almost for sure they won’t fire him but rather won’t renew his contract.
 
Lee's approach is too pretentious for a brand like Jil Sander which is known for pragmatism where Francisco Costa or Narciso Rodriguez would be more suitable for the brand, but Lee could go to Phoebe Philo to make the old Celine great again!
He has a frivolity in him that would clash with a brand like Jil Sander but work for Fendi.
I think maybe Stefano Pilati could work for Jil Sander actually.
I feel like Francisco Costa or Narciso Rodriguez are too mature, too grown in their style for the current direction of Jil Sander.

Don’t kill me but he may also snatch Maximillian Davis from Gobbetti.

I would love a Japanese designer at Jil Sander tbh.
 
Well, it's about time they fix those prices.. still think the (main) problem weren't Daniel's designs, but rather how they were priced and marketed/featured. I'd also argue he wouldn't do worse than the Meiers at Jil Sander, though I agree with Lola that he is a better fit for a somewhat splashier luxury house like Fendi (except for couture maybe).
 
Actually Fendi might not be bad, just enough quirk for fun. Daniel might give it a fresher undercurrent too.

If Raf survived the CK massacre Daniel is still possible right?
 

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