Defending your fashion interest

this is a really interesting discussion.

I am an environmental scientist and have mainly worked for environmental organisations. working and studying with environmentalists makes me feel a bit conflicted sometimes about how much i love clothes. i often think about the industry and its impacts on people and the environment and yet i do buy stuff from high-turnover shops like h&m, as well as some designer stuff (usually from outlets) and lots of vintage. in fact, this whole dilemma for me is something that i am currently trying to bring together and scope out in a project about fashion, identity and sustainainability for my masters thesis.

what has pissed me off over the years though, it how judgy people are, both women in these fields with the insidious sexism mentioned in other posts, as well as those engaged in working with the environment.

feminism and freedom for me is about choice; so you don't have to be a slave to fashion or trends, or conform to certain societal expectations. however, if you want to do this, because its how you express yourself, you can. (i just read an article this morning about the p*ssy cat dolls and whether they are feminist or sexist . . .)

the same choice thing with hard-core enviro types. i remember a clique of alternative, hippy-ish types at my university who also studied environmental studies who were really judgy about others choices with clothes etc. which surprised me somehow, as i kind of expected them to embrace all choices, if you know what i mean. i later found out, though, that many were 'trustafarians' - hippies with dreadlocks and trust funds. i never judged them for how they looked, yet they were quick to diss you, if you wore nikes or some other mass-produced label.
 
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^that's well said.
I also experienced this, going to a kind of "alternative" school.. what surprised me most was that these people, supposedly "alternative" and open minded and concerned with solidarity etc etc, were the most narrow minded and judging people when it comes to apperance.. they were all like "oh we must get people to think less about what they wear"..but what I witnessed was that these alternative people were the ones most concerned with their clothes, not fashion-wise or what brand etc, but there was a very strict code of what to wear and not..how to look and not..they all looked like the same person, wearing their own strict uniform and really obsessing over it if someone was wearing something from H&M or any brand or chain or whatever...

I personally have to defend my fashion interests a lot cause my friends will tell me I'm spoiled for having a huge wardrobe, and not realizing that I'm a grown person, completely supporting myself (and only myself, no children etc)..and all that I have I have earned for myself working..and not spending on drinking, smoking and driving like they do, but instead on clothing..which really shouldnt be a bad thing...
 
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I find it odd that even women have this problem. I thought it was only men with the discrimination for supposedly being "gay". Like any guy wearing Raf Simons couldn't be anything but gay and vain...
 
fash ho' said:
the same choice thing with hard-core enviro types. i remember a clique of alternative, hippy-ish types at my university who also studied environmental studies who were really judgy about others choices with clothes etc. which surprised me somehow, as i kind of expected them to embrace all choices, if you know what i mean. i later found out, though, that many were 'trustafarians' - hippies with dreadlocks and trust funds. i never judged them for how they looked, yet they were quick to diss you, if you wore nikes or some other mass-produced label.


:lol: I love "trustafarians" - I'm going to use that!


I used to have all the same problems as people posted here. Then I stopped caring - voila! Happy Faust :D.

My favorite used to be,

Faust: Mom, look what I bought!
Mom: Is it black color, AGAIN?!
Faust: Yep.
 
therese said:
^that's well said.
I also experienced this, going to a kind of "alternative" school.. what surprised me most was that these people, supposedly "alternative" and open minded and concerned with solidarity etc etc, were the most narrow minded and judging people when it comes to apperance.. they were all like "oh we must get people to think less about what they wear"..but what I witnessed was that these alternative people were the ones most concerned with their clothes, not fashion-wise or what brand etc, but there was a very strict code of what to wear and not..how to look and not..they all looked like the same person, wearing their own strict uniform and really obsessing over it if someone was wearing something from H&M or any brand or chain or whatever...

I personally have to defend my fashion interests a lot cause my friends will tell me I'm spoiled for having a huge wardrobe, and not realizing that I'm a grown person, completely supporting myself (and only myself, no children etc)..and all that I have I have earned for myself working..and not spending on drinking, smoking and driving like they do, but instead on clothing..which really shouldnt be a bad thing...

I find alot of the most supposedly 'liberal' (alternative) people are actually the most opressive, and critical...it's all very contradictory.

In your second paragraph I totally agree...people don't weigh up the costs of alot of their lifestyle choices yet they're quick to judge when it's something 'superficial' like fashion...whats going to make you feel better; being cramped in a car churning out petrol, and waking up with hangovers...or spending the money on an actual interest that makes you feel better about yourself?
 
fab_fifties_fille said:
I find alot of the most supposedly 'liberal' (alternative) people are actually the most opressive, and critical...it's all very contradictory.

In your second paragraph I totally agree...people don't weigh up the costs of alot of their lifestyle choices yet they're quick to judge when it's something 'superficial' like fashion...whats going to make you feel better; being cramped in a car churning out petrol, and waking up with hangovers...or spending the money on an actual interest that makes you feel better about yourself?

Excellent post, fab fitty...I kinda encounter the same thing in my dorm, it's supposedly the open, accepting, "alternative" dorm, yet people give me a cold reception when they see me, assuming that because I'm wearing an expensive-looking coat, sweater, or suit jacket or whatever they think i like to flaunt my money and act superior to them in a condescending way. I don't really feel I have to defend anything though, I've kinda entered the zone where I'm just being myself in the purest form in society.
 
Fade to Black said:
I've kinda entered the zone where I'm just being myself in the purest form in society.

Good for you :heart:

Thanks alex :wink:

By saying what I said in my post...I actually drink...and spend most of my money socialising at the moment...because that's what I enjoy. My point basically is that others should look at themselves before they cast judgements of others. When you point a finger there's always three pointing back at you :wink:
 
I'm so irritated with the whole "he dresses too nice to be straight" bs...
It's as if a guy smiles and has a nice sense of fashion puts a rainbow flag target on his forehead. A few friends of mine accuse this guy of being gay..and he is far from it. He dresses nice and he doesn't care about what people think of his style. He's had girlfriends, but to my friends he's just in the closet argh..makes my blood boil. Maybe it's cause he's European and European men tend to dress better? ..least in my opinion

I don't have to defend my interest really..I don't like being asked about what look I'm going for or why I'm wearing x ...that's soooo annoying.
 
Haha. I don't even bother defending it. It sounds horrible, but my arguement is basically, "I can afford it, shut up." And if I want to seem like less of a b*tch I'll blame it on my dad's example, the man shops even more than I do ...
 
whenever someone (usually a close relative or something) picks on me for spending more money than i should in clothes or accesories, i remind them how most of the ppl my age that they know spend a fortune having drinks non stop almost everyday even if we all know too much alcohol also damages your health, not only your "purse" ($...). this usually works and if not, at least it makes them shut up and keeps them thinking for a while, ha, ha...:smile: no joke!

Sonny xxx
 
i find it very amusing and interesting that i'm not the only one going through the same thing...

i'm also an engineer and even though i'm working in the field right now, but working for my PhD, i also have to put up with critisizm and synical comments almost everyday...

with professors it is even harder than it is with fellow students... they tend to dismiss me because i dress up and have a more girly appearance then others... they tend to not take me seriously or quick to judge that i'm some rich spoiled kid with no scientific abilities...

though, lately i've been thinking that i've proved them wrong...
 
Is your style threatening to others?

Ok ... so this is what happened ... I was at this -gay- chat room and all of a sudden I receive a private message from this person who open with "Your lips are disgusting all filled with collagen" and then I was like "Do I know you?"

After 3 minutes of defamatory zingers from this person I asked him if he knew me and he said that he had seen me in bars and that I think Im a fashionista because of what/how I wear and ended with "This is Costa Rica, not London" line.

My initial impulse with such twats (forgot to mention ... he send me two death threats) is to ignore them... but I was really curious to find out why he hated me SO much and if I did something to this person ... at the end he just logged off and left me hanging ...

I remember someone from tFS posted this funny line about how in gay bars the walls are bieng held by gossip but I bet that even people in high school get bullied because of whatever they wear ....

So here I´m bringing up this topic for discussion ... please share!
 
^As in supposedly London is full of posey fashionistas??

I think there is a similar thread about how we have to defend our interest in fashion.
 
Although there are some people (and I am not saying you because I don't know anything about you) whose styles ask for criticism. People like Donatella Versace and Pete Burns come to mind. Sometimes I suspect they wear clothes because they want attention -even negative attention and it is a psychological problem. Still what's the point in letting it bother you and sending death threats. I don't understand.
 
so sorry - that's extremely sucky of him. :sick:

some people are jealous.

others don't understand it to be an acceptable form of self-expression.

either way some people deal with being intimidated by something through hostility...that is v. unfortunate.
 
SiennaInLondon said:
Still what's the point in letting it bother you and sending death threats. I don't understand.

It doesn not bother me whatsoever ... I think this IS funny.

What interests me is what do people find so offensive in someone's style to go to such lenghts?
 
ultramarine said:
What interests me is what do people find so offensive in someone's style to go to such lenghts?

J-E-A-L-O-U-S-Y :rolleyes:

I feel sorry for those people.
 
^i agree with melisande

also....sending death threats is just plain creepy - what a negative and pathetic waste of time

ultramarine, this guy was just trying to play mind games with you - especially by logging off and leaving you hanging - so don't even be concerned at all - he is prob just really insecure and trying to tear other people down to feel better about himself
 

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