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Vaccarello better hold onto that YSL job for his dear life, then.

Unless he‘s saving up all the money hw made at Saint Laurent to re-open his own line, and even then most likely under the financial support of Kering or another group, should they be interested to back up a venture of his own.
 
But I think there’s something different with Pilati and Ann or Helmut. Ann and Helmut walked away…
Pilati wasn’t really sought after. Thankfully he managed to reinvent himself in Germany and to find a new creative groove that matched his lifestyle.

Regarding Haider, I feel like he wants a job. Obviously working with Gaultier means having a lot of ressources to express your talent. Re-starting again what he started years ago can be hard to overcome…


He may restart his own house but it’s not easy…Look at KVA. After years of Dior and Berluti, being able to express yourself, having access to everything.

I don’t think Phoebe would have started her own brand without the support of LVMH…

I think you can have a 'healthy' business without all that support, all the involvement of the right players, if you‘re willing to break with the system entirely without doing the shows, selling directly to the end customer etc. - Perhaps that is the beauty of our times, that the right kind of concept can still be profitable if it reflects the needs of an audience that is willing to pay. I am being flooded with brand concepts today that are being marketed almost exclusively on social networks - But for now we will yet have to see a 'famous' designer with a grounded mindset who doesn‘t care for the validation of the usual opinion makers.

I find it under that perspective unimportant whether or not Pilati was a hard talent to place at any other house after Zegna or not. Perhaps it‘s not even important whether or not a brand is founded/designed by a well-known former creative director with the right contacts - Haider was a real darling to the fashion scene, but he never made collections that performed well in stores. Retailers kept a little rack of his collection but with little sell-through and without Anne Chapelle's backing, I don‘t think he will do it unless he thinks he can pull off a few shows that keep the conversation going, so that he may again be considered for a creative director position.

I think from that perspective I can only applaud Pilati that he was willing to go entirely rogue and did it all on his own terms, regardless if I find it a great fashion proposition or not.
 
Unless he‘s saving up all the money hw made at Saint Laurent to re-open his own line, and even then most likely under the financial support of Kering or another group, should they be interested to back up a venture of his own.
Not sure he has much to say of his own, and he probably knows it. Compared to many other designers, he's not known for a massive ego so corporate somehow suits him.
 
I think you can have a 'healthy' business without all that support, all the involvement of the right players, if you‘re willing to break with the system entirely without doing the shows, selling directly to the end customer etc. - Perhaps that is the beauty of our times, that the right kind of concept can still be profitable if it reflects the needs of an audience that is willing to pay.
As much as my neuroatypical brain loves the satisfaction of the sequential single-file procedure of the runway format, I find everything around them to be so unnecessarily stupid and illogical.

We have designers jumping through hoops to impress the extremely fickle audience that attends these shows. A show (that isn't being modelled by "the community" and held in a moldy condemned building) comes up to 5 to 6 figures, their output is constantly being held to the standards of large corporate houses and the audience is NEVER on time. On top of that, the buyers and final clients, the actual supporters with real money, don't even go to these events anymore, preferring to see collections in showrooms.

The pandemic seasons has really shown me that the exact same effect could recreated much better digitally with only the film crew, models and "back of house" on set. The elimination of a physical audience obviously eliminates the costs needed to accommodate them (seating, security, beverages), but also removes that 15 minute time constraint.

You can retake shots, redo scenes from different angles, change the setting, touch-up the models hair and make-up and even film your collection in segments instead of as a whole (which significantly reduces the number of models one would need). I am FULLY CONVINCED that, far-flung location and travel excluded, it was cheaper and simpler for Saint Laurent to produce those pandemic films than it was to do their season shows.

I am being flooded with brand concepts today that are being marketed almost exclusively on social networks. But for now we will yet have to see a 'famous' designer with a grounded mindset who doesn‘t care for the validation of the usual opinion makers.
I think that to create an "iconic" designer that is digitally native, we need someone with the same electricity of a typical industry designer. Lots of digitally native brands are mid-market operations that simply default to spoonfeeding bland, pretty product to their customer base with equally bland, pretty imagery, which does wonders for sales and growth but will definitely feel creatively unfulfilling for the typical high-fashion visionary.

To break that cycle, we'll need a designer that has a strong artistic vision, but who can figure out how to tailor that vision to suit numerous situations. They'll need to put more emphasis on knowing how to communicate that vision in photo, video, social media and e-commerce. They'll also need to know how to fully translate the depth of 3d experiences into the flat constraints of 2d media. On top of all of that, they also need to stand out by offering the sort a look and a feel that hasn't been done by this sort of designer/brand, AKA, no Jacquemus/Vetements/Alyx 2.0s and no Off White/Margiela/Céline 3.0s either.
 
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^Well, that is not true. Clients love to go to the shows. They go to the showroom after the show actually. If they are just invited to the showrooms it means they are not very good clients.

Many customers just go one or two months before the show to the boutique, spend 50K to 100K just to see if they are invited (even more in Paris or Milan, where they have better clients). And many of them keep buying to go to the shows cause we live in a show-off era and they would kill to post the pics ok instagram.
 
^Well, that is not true. Clients love to go to the shows. They go to the showroom after the show actually. If they are just invited to the showrooms it means they are not very good clients.

Many customers just go one or two months before the show to the boutique, spend 50K to 100K just to see if they are invited (even more in Paris or Milan, where they have better clients). And many of them keep buying to go to the shows cause we live in a show-off era and they would kill to post the pics ok instagram.
If that's the case, then I think that it would be more useful to fully repackage runway shows as customer experiences rather than industry events for press. Think of a crossroad between the old salon shows and the modern-day spectacles.

I imagine that it would be nicer for buyers too, if they didn't have to navigate around the press and influencers too.
 
^Well, that is not true. Clients love to go to the shows. They go to the showroom after the show actually. If they are just invited to the showrooms it means they are not very good clients.

Many customers just go one or two months before the show to the boutique, spend 50K to 100K just to see if they are invited (even more in Paris or Milan, where they have better clients). And many of them keep buying to go to the shows cause we live in a show-off era and they would kill to post the pics ok instagram.

2 m€ per year at Saint-Laurent does NOT guarantee a show invitation, but many privates events yes.
 
If that's the case, then I think that it would be more useful to fully repackage runway shows as customer experiences rather than industry events for press. Think of a crossroad between the old salon shows and the modern-day spectacles.

I imagine that it would be nicer for buyers too, if they didn't have to navigate around the press and influencers too.
@Creative is right and that’s exactly why PFW is such an important moment (more than every Fashion week) because the concentration of clients is insane. Clients usually likes to have their first outfits outings at the show. I remember when Karl was alive (before getting sick) they all made a queue just to have a picture with him while wearing the runway pieces they bought.

And to have been in the two sides of the spectrum, Fashion week is much more enjoyable as a client. Industry people are at work and work is stressful because you have a schedule.

You can’t just repackage the fashion show as customer experiences because it’s forgetting the many purposes of a show. Beyond the clothes going back and forth, it’s also a networking event, there are people who work and whose work is more than posing in for the cameras. There’s an eco-system of fashion that exist solely for the shows and that would not be the same with just showrooms.

And for a more economical point, items were part of a show do sell more or faster…Which wasn’t the case with just videos or lookbooks.

I think that shows gives you that add value that makes it fashion. Because it’s a POV…Buyers can buy clothes anyway.
 
I find it all a bit difficult to acknowledge if RTW and Couture shows were to become the same then, events foremost intended for deep-pocketed end customers first and foremost instead of buyers and press people. I understand the importance of selling an experience with the Couture, but if we end up with RTW becoming increasingly more expensive with the idea that runway looks need being pre-ordered, then it's basically becoming a similarly exclusive thing. What's next, that you need an invitation to even enter a designer flagship with an appointment booked weeks in advance?
 
What's next, that you need an invitation to even enter a designer flagship with an appointment booked weeks in advance?

Well, didn't Chanel actually already start this with their 'secret', by invitation only separate stores for their top spenders? And with all the queues in front of certain flagships in certain cities, I can see similar developments for other brands in the future.
It's really ridiculous at this point but I wonder how sustainable such strategies will prove to be.
 
Another thing I want to add is that DTC brands put their heavy focus on 360º branding and imagery, almost to a fault. This is obviously a result of having to communicate through a 2D screen, but it often results in strong visuals. The main downside of this is that the products also tend to have this 2D feel (the pop colours, extreme silhouettes and constant viral products), almost as if the clothes were made solely for Instagram with no consideration for real life concerns. The live experiences (especially runway shows) tend to feel very empty and flat too.

For example, one of my favourite digitally-native DTC brands, The Attico is holding their first runway show on September 23 in Milan, and according to Vogue, Emmanuelle Alt is in charge of styling and Piergiorgo Del Moro is doing the castings for the show.

In the almost 8 years they've been in business before that, they've been showing their collections through photoshoots and films, often in far-flung settings with the current top-models as the cast.




While I'm extremely excited, I keep wondering how they're going to create stunning visuals like those above with the hard physical limitations of a runway show (15 minutes, 1 location, hefty budget). I also wonder if they have the skills to be able stretch a design concept across 30 to 40 looks without repeating themselves.
 
Well, didn't Chanel actually already start this with their 'secret', by invitation only separate stores for their top spenders? And with all the queues in front of certain flagships in certain cities, I can see similar developments for other brands in the future.
It's really ridiculous at this point but I wonder how sustainable such strategies will prove to be.

My thought exactly, but I hope others don't follow Chanel.
 
2 m€ per year at Saint-Laurent does NOT guarantee a show invitation, but many privates events yes.

It depends. Nothing guarantees an invitation. You have to be liked by the store director and by the CRM mangers, both in Paris and your local store. And you need to have a good reputation (where you get the money from).

If you are quite a normal person, you spend 2 million a year in any SL store and you have a nice relationship with the staff, 99% chances that you are invited to the show. I’ve seen people being invited just by spending 20K. It depends on the country as well, it’s always more difficult in Paris and London.

There are couture transactions for less than 50K… And almost all the clients that purchase couture can go to the shows if they want. For 2M a year, any director would do whatever to keep that client happy.

Back to topic, I’m curious to know who will they chose for Chloé. They need to bring back the good old days of the brand. It has a lot of potential.
 
I'm mostly shocked he didn't leave earlier..After the passing of Manuela Pavesi and with the later arrival of Raf, it must have been quite a change to the internal dynamics with Miuccia.
He had such a terrific and LONG run for Prada, his longevity is incredible and his talent undeniable.
I wonder if he's retiring from fashion altogether or whether we see him resurface somewhere..
 

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