Editors Threaten to Skip Milan Shows Next September

[rosalynn]

I'm glad to see support for London here on TFS. I always feel that people look down their noses at London Fashion Week, but for me it's my favourite after Paris. It isn't conformist, boring and commercial - it's exciting and humble.

New York will be fine as like Style Savvy says, they'll just move the bigger shows to the beginning of the calendar. The only problem I would imagine could arise from Milan being spiteful and organising fittings and castings during New York.

London will surely be the biggest loser. Models will surely want to walk in Milan because of the prestige, and despite Condé Nast saying they won't attend Milan, surely they will because that's where the money is. Vogue UK will probably go for London but then they'll still get all their Milan coverage from other editors anyway.

 

[loladonna]

Shame on Milan for doing that to London Fashion Week. The current NY schedule is not some surprise move.The agreement has been in place for years and Milan is simply being spiteful and arrogant. Milan fashion week was the worst this year. I hope Conde Nast sends no one there next year.

 

[CommanderTMugler]

Team Milan!

 

[lili la tigresse]

Team Milan!!!

It's a little sad for London, but New York and especially Condé Nast can go f**k themselves, they won't be missed.

 

[AnaBGD]

Team Milan!!!

It's a little sad for London, but New York and especially Condé Nast can go f**k themselves, they won't be missed.

Go Milano!

 

[loladonna]

If Milan wanted to throw its weight around why not schedule at the same time as NY fashion week? London is an easy target and makes Milan look cowardly. "We'll show you NY! We'll schedule our fashion week the same time as.... LONDON! So take That!" Very very lame.

NY is not going to be affected in the least so everyone who's like "Go Milan!" is actually rooting for the demise of London fashion week.

 

[Not Plain Jane]

Personally I am not taking sides; I think it is sad that any side feels the need to dictate to the other side how things should go. From my perspective, it looks as though both NY and Milan are guilty of this: NY won't budge as they say the agreement to begin FW on the second Thursday of September was a long-standing one made years ago, whereas Milan won't budge because they say the agreement made then was temporary. Surely, the truth of the matter must be documented somewhere?!? And why can't the two sides reach a suitable compromise anyhow? Sheesh. You'd think they were both toddlers stamping their feet. It's for the good of everyone in fashion - designers, editors, models, mags, and perhaps especially, London FW - that an amiable solution is reached.

And yeah, why wouldn't Milan target NYFW? They should schedule their shows then if they really want to make a point. Instead, London is the sacrificial lamb, which seems so very wrong!

Here's hoping they can reach a democratic solution rather than acting like a couple of fascist dictators having a go at one another, sheesh again!! ...

 

[LabelWhore4]

Shame on Milan for doing that to London Fashion Week. The current NY schedule is not some surprise move.The agreement has been in place for years and Milan is simply being spiteful and arrogant. Milan fashion week was the worst this year. I hope Conde Nast sends no one there next year.

I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[CommanderTMugler]

Ok so NY wants to show from Sept. 13th to the 20th?

They can move that back one week (Sept. 6-13) and STILL not interfere with Labor Day (Sept. 3rd).

London will still be able to have it's venues on Sept. 13/14th-19th as the Paralympics end on Sept. 9th (in the middle of NYFW)

Then have Milan start as they want from the 19th/20th till the 25th.

 

[MyNameIs]

Could someone give me a cliffnotes version of what's going on? Milan is now scheduled for same week as London? And New York is refusing to move because of Labor Day?

That's so stupid. Why does Milan care whether its FW starts a week later or not? Is there not enough weeks in the year for four weeks of FW? And New York is stupid too, acting as if Labor Day is this HUGE holiday. Nobody even cares about Labor Day. It's not Christmas where people want to spend time with families, etc. It's LABOR DAY. If Conde Nast can't get Anna Wintour or any other of their overpaid editors to go to fashion shows on Labor Day, I'll be MORE than happy to cover for them. Just ring me up.

 

[user.n.]

Boselli claims the second Thursday rule was only for a three-year period, and thus expires this year, while the CFDA and the British Fashion Council maintain it was a permanent pact.

Looks like someone didn't read the fine prints...
I don't blame Italians, they are just reflecting as a kid (from Milan's side, the best strike back would be starting their FW on the same date as NY does without affecting other cities), but NY started the game with that Labor Day thing. The second Thursday 'pact' sounds like an excuse for being a b*** with Milan.

The other thing is

A meeting was held on Friday between the CFDA and the British Fashion Council, which Boselli was unable to attend.

You can't discuss the situation with two parties over the third's head.

Anyway is it possible (if the dates won't change and CN doesn't allow them to visit MFW) that editors could go as private citizens, not? Loophole or not, could be a solution i guess.
A fair reconciliation should be the best of course, but it won't be an easy fight since both NY and Milan are upset and act like a huffish kid.

 

[loladonna]

Could someone give me a cliffnotes version of what's going on? Milan is now scheduled for same week as London? And New York is refusing to move because of Labor Day?

That's so stupid. Why does Milan care whether its FW starts a week later or not? Is there not enough weeks in the year for four weeks of FW? And New York is stupid too, acting as if Labor Day is this HUGE holiday. Nobody even cares about Labor Day. It's not Christmas where people want to spend time with families, etc. It's LABOR DAY. If Conde Nast can't get Anna Wintour or any other of their overpaid editors to go to fashion shows on Labor Day, I'll be MORE than happy to cover for them. Just ring me up.

I'm curious if you are you American? Labor day is the last official day of summer in the U.S. and one of the few holidays each year that the Gov't and most businesses shut down for the day. Since it falls on a Monday people get to have a 3-day holiday including Saturday and Sunday. A lot of people take off Friday or leave work early so they can go out of town or to the beach with their families for one last summer hoorah. The Tuesday after labor day is when everyone is making their trip back home so work starts back to normal on Wednesday. It would be hard to get anyone to work during that period without paying the overtime or double-rates which is typical for major U.S. holidays.

Americans get so few days off compared to some other countries that you'd better believe every one counts and we do care about it.

 

[kimair]

Updated Friday October 7, 3.25pm: The British Fashion Council has responded to Milan Fashion Week's decision to change the dates of its spring/summer 2013 shows, which overlap entirely with London's scheduled show dates.
"It is with great disappointment that we read Camera Nazionale della Moda's statement released earlier today, that they will continue to break the dates agreement and schedule shows over New York and London Fashion Weeks," a statement from the British Fashion Council read this afternoon. "No one would agree that this is in anyway an ideal situation but we have and continue to receive incredible support from both international and domestic media and retailers to retain the existing agreement."

vogue.co.uk

 

[TianSoFine]

Ok so NY wants to show from Sept. 13th to the 20th?

They can move that back one week (Sept. 6-13) and STILL not interfere with Labor Day (Sept. 3rd).

London will still be able to have it's venues on Sept. 13/14th-19th as the Paralympics end on Sept. 9th (in the middle of NYFW)

Then have Milan start as they want from the 19th/20th till the 25th.

Now that you mention it...

 

[Not Plain Jane]

I assume the problem is that NYC don't want to set a precedent of backing up their start date: they wanted a fixed calendar, which is, apparently, what was agreed upon. Only Milan says it was a temporary agreement, which means NYC could have to change their start dates off and on at the will of others.

Why can't they compromise and start on the Monday, one week after Labour Day? That would give people time to have a summer send off without jumping cold turkey right into FW, and it would give three days wiggle room for London/Milan shows & start dates.

Isn't this just rudimentary "working things out"? Seriously, it ain't rocket science!! Lol!

 

[CommanderTMugler]

Honestly I don't see how Milan is the bad one here, they are just going as they normally were and they have their set system.

It rubs me the wrong way that Milan brought up the "3 Year" thing though, they could have approached it better, but still.

They can resolve it a bit better and possibly change the schedule. It's silly that New York HAS to start on Thursday.

And if it does interfere with Labor Day, well editors know a WHOLE year ahead, plan your vacation right before it and get paid twice as much for that one day.

 

[loladonna]

Why is Milan the only city complaining about the date? It doesn't seem to be affecting London or Paris which lends credibility to the CFDA's assertion that the "Second Thursday" agreement was a permanent agreement among the cities.

 

[Scott]

what i really find disgusting in all this is the attitude conveyed by all parties in NYC--CFDA,Conde Nast et al.....they all seem to think they somehow have total control over the entire fashion industry. in other words,what they propose,goes,yes? and if you don't comply with what they feel should work,some editor goes off on some petulant rant.

what's more,is how much London is pandering to this empire of fascistic behavior. this is supposed to be a city without fashion rules.....about radicals and they're her responding like a pupil to NYC's school marm attitude.

and to re-iterate....all this over a ridiculous holiday called Labor Day.

 

[Scott]

Milan has nothing to offer for my personal taste either, I agree with Scott in that London will always remain more experimental than any of the 3 remaining cities, and unfortunately the weakest too, they're in the middle of this chaos so it's natural to feel bad but this is more about the way people are doing business in New York, trying to run over everyone, that's what's infuriating for me, and this is coming from someone that's probably more interested in NY acts (Laing, Ames, Wauchob, etc) than Milan ones (only Marras).

the irony in this though is that none of the designers we typically love in NY are rarely on the official calendar and none of them even show at the official venue of the CFDA.

 

[LabelWhore4]

what i really find disgusting in all this is the attitude conveyed by all parties in NYC--CFDA,Conde Nast et al.....they all seem to think they somehow have total control over the entire fashion industry. in other words,what they propose,goes,yes? and if you don't comply with what they feel should work,some editor goes off on some petulant rant.

what's more,is how much London is pandering to this empire of fascistic behavior. this is supposed to be a city without fashion rules.....about radicals and they're her responding like a pupil to NYC's school marm attitude.

and to re-iterate....all this over a ridiculous holiday called Labor Day.

Most Americans don't find it ridiculous at all.