Editors Threaten to Skip Milan Shows Next September

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Please move on and get back to main topic .... the impact each citiy's Fashion Week schedule will have on each other.
 
Milan FW causing problems in schedule for F/W 2012

Let the drama begin!

Despite receiving threats from Conde Nast, Italian designers have voted to keep their original dates of September 19-25 for Milan Fashion Week next year.

By not changing the dates, Milan will overlap with New York (September 13-20) and London (September 21-25), which means traveling is going to be a mess for editors.

Mario Boselli, head of the Italian Chamber of Fashion, was elated with the decision. He told WWD:

"Let the best one win. Italian designers unanimously agreed on the schedule, from the smallest brand to the biggest. They showed great solidarity and Italian pride."

We hope this doesn't come back and bite Giorgio Armani, Dolce & Gabbana, Roberto Cavalli and Gucci in their fashionable ***es.

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Honestly, I think that while Milan is considered to be more important than London by the editors and other atendees, the grudge that NY and London going to hold against Milan will probably result in many people actually completely skipping Milan. I am sure that the Vogue team as well as other magazines under Conde Nast's wing will refuse to attend Milan and follow the NY/London schedule as planned. Another problem would be the models - I am sure that most of the models wouldn't risk their relationships with the fashion magazines and if asked by Wintour 90% of them would stay in New York. Especially if the Marc Jacobs show is pushed to the last day of NY fashion week again, then I am pretty sure that everyone will stay to attend it. So all in all, I think that Italian designers are those who are biting the dust if this happens as they plan on doing it. There is an inevitable distaster coming unless the issue gets resolved soon - and Conde Nast better be satisfied with the solution.
 
For the spring 2013 collections, the New York shows would thus be scheduled from Sept. 13 to 20, London Sept. 21 to 25, Milan Sept. 26 to Oct. 2 and Paris Oct. 2 to 10.
So if Milan is now going to be Sept 19-25 will Paris start on Sept 26 or start on Oct 2nd? It would make sense to start on the 26th. Why leave a gap you know. This whole thing is so annoying.
 
Well, for which seats that an editor does not take, I would gladly use it. I think this could be the start of something very ugly, though, that could effect the prestige of Milan's already waning credibility.
 
I wonder, practically, what everyone who travels from overseas will do during the gab between Milan and Paris. Staying an extra week in Paris and London without working isn't exactly cheap, but going back an forward doesn't make much more sense either.
 
I hope they just go back to the original schedule. london has already suffered this season.
 
In this clash of egos the Milan council is ultimately going to look worse. The CFDA schedule keeps everything intact but moved back one week. It is not costing anyone additional money or causing an overlap. Milan's proposed schedule overlaps other fashion weeks which creates an uncomfortable situation for editors and buyers by forcing them to choose between cities. Now there is also this huge gap between Milan and Paris which leaves people either stranded for a week in Europe with no work but plenty of expenses or they have to pay more money to make a second trip back. I don't think most buyers or fashion publications in this economic climate will be too pleased at the extra costs incurred because of Milan's decision. Milan is complaining that the CFDA did not consider anyone else in their scheduling decision but it does not seem that Milan considered the most important people-- the buyers and editors when making its decision. They are burning a lot of bridges.
 
Honestly, I think that while Milan is considered to be more important than London by the editors and other atendees, the grudge that NY and London going to hold against Milan will probably result in many people actually completely skipping Milan. I am sure that the Vogue team as well as other magazines under Conde Nast's wing will refuse to attend Milan and follow the NY/London schedule as planned. Another problem would be the models - I am sure that most of the models wouldn't risk their relationships with the fashion magazines and if asked by Wintour 90% of them would stay in New York. Especially if the Marc Jacobs show is pushed to the last day of NY fashion week again, then I am pretty sure that everyone will stay to attend it. So all in all, I think that Italian designers are those who are biting the dust if this happens as they plan on doing it. There is an inevitable distaster coming unless the issue gets resolved soon - and Conde Nast better be satisfied with the solution.

Oh imagine having Gucci and Marc Jacobs on the same day. DRAMA. Poor models will once again be the ones caught in the middle. But with these particular shows, the cast doesn't overlap that much so I think they'd both keep most of their girls.
 
^ I agree about the cast, but it is going to be a very uncomfortable situation when it comes to editors and other important figures in fashion who haven't taken a side when it comes to those two houses. Although I think that most of them would stay for the Jacobs show and Gucci would be the one suffering.
 
I think model agencies will also be taking sides because most girls are probably just going to walk whichever fashion week their agency tells them to walk. Then you might have problems between Milan and NY agencies since models have representation in both cities. This is just going to be a huge mess. I suppose there's no chance of London moving after Milan?
 
I think model agencies will also be taking sides because most girls are probably just going to walk whichever fashion week their agency tells them to walk. Then you might have problems between Milan and NY agencies since models have representation in both cities. This is just going to be a huge mess. I suppose there's no chance of London moving after Milan?

this! that would work wouldn't it?
 
^A conflict with the Olympics in London next year will prevent a change of dates.
 
^ Yeah. It will be insane during the Olympics. I know people that are already thinking they might leave and go on holiday.
 
Strictly speaking the dates are well after the Olympics (27 July to 12 August), and after the Paralympics (29 August to 9 September) too. There might be other factors in this respect I don't understand though.
 
In the latest salvo over scheduling next September’s fashion shows, Diane von Furstenberg has issued a statement that promises….not to budge from New York’s plans to begin the U.S. fashion week on the second Thursday of September 2012. Ms. von Furstenberg is president of the Council of Fashion Designers of America, which is the closest thing the U.S. has to an oversight body for designers, so she is speaking for the American industry as a whole, and suggesting that the ensuing fashion weeks in London, Milan and Paris should follow the U.S. lead. That is, typically, what happens.

This is a colorful internal struggle for fashion designers that has little direct bearing on consumer. Instead, it highlights the angst of the fashion business these days, when hundreds of designers feel obligated to show their collections on runways to garner attention from the press. As the fashion “weeks” grow longer—Paris lasts 10 days and New York lasts 8 days—organizers struggle to find a time slot that allows enough time to produce collections once the orders are in.

One thing is certain: These aren’t the final words we’ll hear on this topic. Here are Ms. von Furstenberg’s own words.

Fashion shows are meant to allow designers to show their collections and vision for the following season.

Everyone goes through huge efforts at a large expense to make it easy and pleasant for the editors and retailers. The market has expanded greatly in the last years with Asia, Middle East, Russia and Brazil growing so fast. It requires a lot of coordination and planning.

Editors, retailers and designers like the consistency of every designer always showing on the same day of the week season after season. It makes it so much easier for everyone to plan and attend shows. Clearly, year after year, the calendar changes. There are 7 days in the week and every new year the calendar advances 1 day. Some years it will be better for some cities, some years not.

That is what is happening in September 2012. I believe our friends in Milan did not understand that. We did not change from the decision when we agreed to start Fashion Season in New York on the same day every year, which is on the second Thursday of February and September. It is the nature of the calendar.

I also believe this conflict is a misunderstanding. I am convinced it will be resolved and that the agreement that was made 3 years ago at great cost and effort is valid and will be kept.

As the President of the CFDA, I represent my fellow designers. We share the same goals as Milan, Paris, and London. Everyone at the CFDA has great respect and admiration for the designers working in those cities Our shared goal is that we want the editors and retailers to see our work and to do theirs.

At a time of great uncertainty in the world, we are lucky to be part of an industry that is flourishing and that provides an enormous amount of jobs. We should not jeopardize that by being apart. It is most important that we show unity, fairness, and that we work together to ensure everyone is given equal benefit from our work.

As we say in fashion, the show must go on!

Diane von Furstenberg

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British Vogue Editor Alexandra Shulman Says Everyone Would Rather Go to London Fashion Week Over Milan Anyway

In a fight to the fashion scheduling death between Milan and London, which would you choose? The latest throwdown-type fighting words in the ongoing four-city fashion week smackdown come from British Vogue's Editor-in-Chief Alexandra Shulman:

In a bullish interview with the BBC yesterday, Vogue editor Alexandra Shulman declared she is confident that even should London designers such as Burberry, Jonathan Saunders, and Aquascutum be forced to show simultaneously to Giorgio Armani, Prada or Gucci it will be the Italians who lose out.
Shulman said: "right now, London is probably one of the biggest fashion capitals in the world, and there would be no way that people wouldn't choose to come to London rather than Milan."

Interesting. If it came down to it, which would you choose? London designers such as Burberry, Christopher Kane, Preen, Richard Nicoll, and Tom Ford or Milan designers such as Prada, Dolce & Gabbana, Prada, and Gucci?


Battle of the catwalks update: Milan and Paris refuse to budge

International fashion schism is the trend to bet on for 2012, after the Italian Camera Nazionale della Moda today determined to stick to a plan that will see its fashion week next September clash with those of both New York and London.

At a meeting of Italy's most influential fashion houses in Milan this morning, the decision to maintain its collision-course calendar was unanimous. "We will not move the days," said a source: "This is not our fault."
"Let the best one win," Mario Boselli, head of the Camera, said afterwards: "Italian designers unanimously agreed on the schedule from the smallest brand to the biggest. They showed great solidarity and Italian pride."

Now only a humiliating volte-face by the Americans and British - in which they agree to change their dates to accommodate their Italian and French counterparts - can prevent editors, models and buyers alike from being forced to choose one city over the other at the spring/summer 2013 collections. More practically the media and buyers are likely to divide their teams to ensure attendance at clashing shows such as Ralph Lauren and Gucci, or Burberry and Dolce & Gabbana.
Yet a source in the Anglo/American bloc today insisted: "We thought Milan would back down. But if they want to go knuckle-to-knuckle, then we're ready."

So, as things now stand, New York fashion week will begin on September 13 next year, followed by Milan on September 19, London on September 21 and finally Paris on September 25.

Milan decided to go ahead with its controversial calendar (that sees it run concurrently with two days of New York and four days of London fashion weeks) despite a last minute plea from its British and American counterparts.
In a letter to Italy's most powerful fashion houses sent earlier this week, Diane von Furstenberg and Harold Tillman - the heads of New York's and London's fashion syndicates - asked them to vote down a clash that "threatens to throw the co-operation between all capitals and the global fashion calendar out of balance".

Yet the Italians today not only rejected this plea, but according to sources they refute any suggestion that they are the ones are at fault for this clash. The American and British have suggested that Milan's Camera Nazionale della Moda declared its start date in contravention of a 2008 agreement decreeing that the annual round of consecutive fashion weeks - New York, London, Milan and finally Paris - would start every year on the second Thursday in September. This was designed to allow the Americans to avoid working on one of their rare public holidays, Labor Day.
Yet a source in Italy today said: " We do not want to suddenly move our dates. And New York have been aware of them since March 2010."
In a bullish interview with the BBC yesterday, Vogue editor Alexandra Shulman declared she is confident that even should London designers such as Burberry, Jonathan Saunders, and Aquascutum be forced to show simultaneously to Giorgio Armani, Prada or Gucci it will be the Italians who lose out.
Shulman said: "right now, London is probably one of the biggest fashion capitals in the world, and there would be no way that people wouldn't choose to come to London rather than Milan."

In a statement this afternoon, the British Fashion Council said: "We have, and continue to recieve incredible support from both international and domestic media and retailers to retain the existing agreement."

This despite the fact that it is the Italians, (and the French with whom they are closely aligned), who are the richest source of the advertising revenues that sustain the magazine industry and the products that sustain the retail industry.

This will not help Christopher Kane, for the Dalston-based designer will have somehow to find a way to be in London (where he shows his main line) and Milan (where he shows Versus) at almost precisely the same time. Kane is British fashion's pre-eminent boy genius, but being in two places at once?

racked
telegraph.co.uk
 
i don't really understand alexandra shulman's statement at all. from what i can surmise this would hurt London not help it. the big media will never forego the prada's,the gucci's or the jil sander's.
 

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