Hedi Slimane - Designer

[kingtheyskens]

im pretty sure vogue and drag are the ones taking references from fashion.

well yes, historically.

 

[kingtheyskens]

It has been the best thing for Gaultier, Galliano and Mugler though

gaultier and mugler, for certain. but i'm not sure if galliano is inspired by drag culture as much as he's inspired simply by historical costume.

 

[HigthaVandah]

Yes, have you been to a vogue ball or drag show. Gays particularly love seeing trans nearly nude in pasties etc.

This image would not particularly do anything for straight men or any woman I don’t think.

Exactly, my first thought was gay ballroom culture. I don't understand the appeal of mtf trans people to some gay men either but I recognize it's a thing. I'm further confused about why what's apparently a women's magazine commissioned this (leaning into this gay subculture reference with an mtf model rather than just presenting Alex as another woman modeling some clothes or whatever). But I'm not familiar with the publication so maybe the intended audience is just people interested in "queer culture" generally.

 

[Alquimista]

Yes, have you been to a vogue ball or drag show. Gays particularly love seeing trans nearly nude in pasties etc.

This image would not particularly do anything for straight men or any woman I don’t think.

Never been to this shows. Just not my thing. They don't even exist where I live.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

I promise it's really not that deep

 

[HigthaVandah]

I promise it's really not that deep

I'm bored okay?

 

[jeanclaude]

The video is boring crap trying to emulate Andy Warhol´s Factory with Edie Sedgwick.

I googled Alex Consani, and she looks amazing.

Showing her breasts are a natural thing...smoking is not. I am not scandalized for seeing her top-less; but I am scandalized they are still promoting smoking as something cool and sophisticated.

 

[blueorchid]

but I am scandalized they are still promoting smoking as something cool and sophisticated.

It's Hedi, someone who's stuck in the mindset of a 80s teenager. Of course smoking is cool.

 

[Xone]

The video is boring crap trying to emulate Andy Warhol´s Factory with Edie Sedgwick.

I googled Alex Consani, and she looks amazing.

Showing her breasts are a natural thing...smoking is not. I am not scandalized for seeing her top-less; but I am scandalized they are still promoting smoking as something cool and sophisticated.

Well,for fashion people is normal because a lot of them still smokes and i saw recently many videos,editorials,etc with cigarettes again...

 

[tricotineacetat]

I was going to be short and sweet bitter, because I can’t be bothered to address all the comments about Hedi = Zara and so on, because it just shows these people have lack of clothing and fashion knowledge, but…

I’ve always been a spoilt one and lucky to have been a luxury fashion customer for more than two decades now, and nobody does quality like Hedi. Today I was reminded of this.

I still wear his Saint Laurent winter military parka from 2016, his last men’s show, and it looks amazing, there are zero loose threads or fabric weariness.

Today I went around the luxury department store and vient the typical route of visiting all brands for slim fit black denim pants. i did check the other brands out of curiosity and comparison. Thankfully, I am very slim and androgynous, so I explored both womenswear and menswear.

Balenciaga and Dior did not have what I looked for, but I looked at the denim anyways. They costed nearly twice as much, but the quality of the stitching and the fabric was simply not on par. Celine had the best quality and the best construction by a mile, it is laughable to compare those two or even Chanel to Celine.

The pants had very strong underlining stitching that did not show on the outside except the pockets and even then it was loose enough to fit a phone and tight enough not to look like you have a football stuffed inside. They were made in Japan and used Japanese denim too, it was clear by how thin and sleek, somewhat stretchable the fabric was, yet it was extremely strong and resistant to the pulling motion too.
Obviously, they sat perfectly on the hips, butt, and we’re just perfectly long enough to allow good movement, not wrinkle at the ankles, but still have some space around the knees to move comfortably.

The clothes were quite basic and very inoffensive, but calling them boring is ignorants and insulting to the industry. What boring is hypebeasts and fashion victims falling for the latest trend with an attention span of a goldfish.

I have never had mass market pants, so I cannot compare, but I did have Citizens of Humanity denim and Acne Studios for daily use where I do not care too much about being tidy. I do have some Gucci denim pieces from Alessandro for the retro “vibe", but let me tell you that all of those are very high quality items.

That said, none of those come close to the Celine simple black denim jeans and to the pair of Hedi's Saint Laurent leather biker pants that I also own.

The difference here is not between a McDonalds, a good restaurant and a Michelin star one. The level of nuance between his quality of construction and detail to the consumer being comfortable and the fitting clothes is literally the level of the difference between a one star Michelin restaurant and a three star Michelin restaurant. One can only spot it either because he reads/consumes a lot of theoretical and functional knowledge about fashion construction, makes clothes themselves or is a lifelong luxury consumer.

Judging Hedi (or anybody else that is just as established) by "I walked into a boutique and it looked boring" or by "I tried it once in ten years" is so ridiculous and ignorant that it should be a bannable offence on this forum.

It is one of the last places where once in a decade some actual fashion talk/comment can be seen that is beyond Insta clout. There are clearly some people here that know luxury fashion and consume it, it shows in the comments and in what they are saying (and it also is apparent when someone tries to appear more important, more knowledgeable and cooler than they are, just a little nudge towards those people, because some comments in some other threads…).

So all this said, I am not letting this last standing luxury fashion community to die due to shallow, stupid opinions that lack any nuance!

As much as I appreciate it when people care to look at the details of how their clothes were made, I think when it comes down to the topic of denim, you’re cutting Celine's a bit too much slack.

It’s one of those products where choosing a more upscale fabric and manufacturer doesn’t make as huge a difference as, for example, choosing an entirely artisanal make in the making of a suit jacket, leather goods or shoes. In fact, I would go as far as to say that jeans are the kind of products where Celine will have a higher mark-up than on tailoring and outerwear.

I would kindly ask you to have a look at Uniqlo’s stretch selvedge raw denim jeans which for the price of mere 49,90€ have set the bar high for offering a great price/quality ratio, therefor providing a just debate how much more value you really gain from paying 690,00€ for Celine’s cheapest pair of jeans.

 

[HigthaVandah]

As much as I appreciate it when people care to look at the details of how their clothes were made, I think when it comes down to the topic of denim, you’re cutting Celine's a bit too much slack.

It’s one of those products where choosing a more upscale fabric and manufacturer doesn’t make as huge a difference as, for example, choosing an entirely artisanal make in the making of a suit jacket, leather goods or shoes. In fact, I would go as far as to say that jeans are the kind of products where Celine will have a higher mark-up than on tailoring and outerwear.

I would kindly ask you to have a look at Uniqlo’s stretch selvedge raw denim jeans which for the price of mere 49,90€ have set the bar high for offering a great price/quality ratio, therefor providing a just debate how much more value you really gain from paying 690,00€ for Celine’s cheapest pair of jeans.

Of course Celine is overpriced, this is "luxury" clothing we're talking about, but I'm looking and that Uniqlo cut is not doing it for me. And innovation to make 99% cotton denim more stretchy than usual is not going to impress most denim enthusiasts.

 

[tourbillions]

Who really goes to celine for denim... Too many japanese brands offer superior denim.

If i was a woman i guess id go to hedis celine for his fresher take on the tweed jacket. But other than that i dont know what he made there that wasnt available anywhere else.

And ofcourse the fitting varies from person to person. If you found celine's cuts and fits suits you, its moreso that your bosy type is what they are catering to than the skills of the designer. It can be more about how you prefer your clothes to fit. Unless were talking haute couture.

 

[Kimihiro]

Denim today is far removed from his tenure and Dior Homme and I don’t think he can claim authority on that. There are better, much cheaper options elsewhere that could still make sense in Hedi’s world.

I go to Hedi for the cuts, the identity, and being part of that universe, which actually people buy in. His last two tenures were creative exercises. I still find his stuff cut above usual luxury but no way justifying pricing. The jackets and pants I still comeback to. Designer clothing moved past justifying their existence a long time ago with quality and vision. It’s bigger and more mass now. Hedi Slimane hasn’t really innovated in the fashion space for almost 2 decades, but his last two tenures really did make an impact with how people dress at least here on my side of the world.

His Celine womenswear is an accomplishment in my book simply for the fact that I saw girls wear his vision. French riviera cosplay and all. It wasn’t for the design or fashion but with how fabulous of a stylist and creative director he is.

 

[HigthaVandah]

Great, sounds like you guys are better off buying elsewhere. It's bizarre how anti-customer this place gets sometimes. Nothing in the luxury space is "worth the money". You (rhetorical "you") don't actually need that "innovative" couture gown or exotic skin bag either. At the end of the day it's just a dress and the average person doesn't care anymore about experimental dressmaking than they do denim stacking. All this stuff has value because we give it subjective value.

 

[tourbillions]

and being part of that universe

This is the most honest and for me most acceptable answer as to why one would overpay for something by xx instead of the cheaper alternatives. Being part of the designers universe, supporting his vision, having a piece of what he created. Then it all makes sense.

 

[yslforever]

If i was a woman i guess id go to hedis celine for his fresher take on the tweed jacket. But other than that i dont know what he made there that wasnt available anywhere else.

True that, his (and Nicolas at LV) tweed jackets are far more interesting and younger looking than the Chanel ones, so imho far superior.
I used to go buy Celine denim as part of a look, I bought Loro Piana jeans too, but both are much less accomplished than the Momotaro ones from the Exclusive line (silk or cashmere with denim), or even from the regular ones...

 

[Kimihiro]

This is the most honest and for me most acceptable answer as to why one would overpay for something by xx instead of the cheaper alternatives. Being part of the designers universe, supporting his vision, having a piece of what he created. Then it all makes sense.

It’s almost purely psychological. It doesn’t make sense on a practical standpoint. There’s inherent value to the pieces like construction or quality but they will never justify the entry point.

Identifying with an ethos, being a patron of that and the designer and by extension reaping the perks that come with it including the snob factor, the coolness, the sheer pleasure of owning a piece of that designer’s ideas is more valuable than the physical garment.

I understand that there are levels to that and could circle back to the argument that the average luxury buyers are sheep but who cares honestly. I won’t judge someone buying CELINE because of the societal expectation of being on trend and rich more than someone who intended to buy CELINE by Hedi Slimane, it’s all emotional really there’s no need to justify.

 

[PDFSD]

The video is boring crap trying to emulate Andy Warhol´s Factory with Edie Sedgwick.

I googled Alex Consani, and she looks amazing.

Showing her breasts are a natural thing...smoking is not. I am not scandalized for seeing her top-less; but I am scandalized they are still promoting smoking as something cool and sophisticated.

as much as i hate smokers the smell etc ...people been smoking for centuries regardless of the cool factor promoted since the silverscreen years

with so much dumbing down of culture & sameness, i found the smoking in the video the most daring part and representing that disco era and naive hedonistic freedom with the head dress ..

i would argue without the smoking it would feel more now and average and less vintage and i guess he wanted it be more vintage as usual

 

[fashionsavvvvvy]

So many arguments for just a video of Half-naked Alex Consani 🧐

 

[Phuel]

Sorry but I don’t know what quality has to do with anything, and especially since we found out his boots at ysl were advertised being a full stacked leather heel and they were literally just lego plastic covered in a decal. And his Celine rtw has just as many cut corners as the rest of the “luxury” market.

That’s Anthony’s SL— which is reliably midrange, just like his haircut, Tyrone.

Hedi would never.