Jonathan Anderson - Designer, Creative Director of JW Anderson & Christian Dior

[reese06]

JWA is a far more adventurous, capacious tailor than MGC.

And yet what we’ve seen so far is tortured bar suit on Sabrina Carpenter and this ASOS Two piece set.

Tragic

 

[Frederic01]

JWA is a far more adventurous, capacious tailor than MGC.

I love JWA, but with all due respect, Maria Grazia has far more experience with Haute Couture and with the craft, having worked with couture for 25 years. JWA is indeed more "adventurous" but we are yet to see anything remotely near the level of craftsmanship that Maria Grazia did for Dior.

So far I am seeing that he is much more interested in creating Instagram and social media moments rather than actually focusing on the craftsmanship and history of Christian Dior. There was far too much focus on influencers and celebrities and marketing for his first outing, and nowhere near enough focus on the heritage.

Compare to this Maria Grazia's debut, where much of the focus was on the heritage and on creating a "contemporary" vision for the brand. Her debut was much stronger in that way.

 

[BalkaniStaCouture]

JWA is a far more adventurous, capacious tailor than MGC.

If you call adventurous covering Lady Dior in Four-leaf clover, childishly lego looking, or writing Dracula on Maria’s Tote’s, then yeah… but NAAAAH!!! Dior is serious, should not look like joke. It’s not Moschino. It’s Dior.

 

[Lola701]

Does having more experience in Haute Couture a great advantage yes. But being adventurous is another question…

MGC does beautiful gowns and has that particular way of doing her thing.

I have seen more adventurous propositions by JWA at Loewe. And at Loewe, he had a very competent atelier. And he did some fantastic things.

The level of expertise of MGC’s clothes cannot be appreciated « a l’œil nu ». It’s like Elie Saab. It’s very beautiful, beautifully executed but after so many times of seeing it, we get sleepy.

And then again, experience in HC could mean everything and nothing. Alexis Mabille is a good example.
Gianfranco Ferre and Galliano did some fantastic things without having done HC before.

Dior is serious but Dior is not a sanctuary. I’m not sure putting « we should all be feminist » was serious either. I prefer to take it as unserious because the level of delusion behind that message on a 850€ tshirt is beyond.
We should have fun with fashion, stop trying to over intellectualize things…Even more with JWA (as the references are obvious).

We haven’t seen a womenswear collection yet btw. We don’t know if his womenswear will be in line with the menswear.

I just hope the bar jackets this time will really « BAR ».

 

[PDFSD]

JWA is a far more adventurous, capacious tailor than MGC.

but i feel MGC tailoring is sharper even if less experimental than JWA this i feel he should fix in order to make Dior not so juvenile, as JWA likes fun and quirky experimental things but can end up looking like kids clothes .

 

[FashionPower]

Can I blow this forum up?
I think most people who are looking forward to seeing JWA at Dior it's just because they are low key wanting back Galliano drag Queen couture version of Dior and are expecting JWA to do so...
I SAID WHAT I SAID
Little they know that with a proposition a La Galliano Dior sales and revenues will plummet...

 

[Lola701]

I know nostalgia sometimes run deep in this forum but I don’t think so.
Nobody is expecting Galliano. I see a majority of people dismissive anyway but they are dismissive of the whole guard of designers taking over.
For those who are excited, no. We just want some type of awakening.

I can totally understand the love for MGC but I don’t think pumping up what her tenure for Dior was will make it any better than it reality.
It sold. Ok…Yes. And?

 

[tourbillions]

surprised that now people are defending mgc... even if i think jwa is not a good match for dior ill never think mgc was a better choice.

 

[hamburgers]

Compare to this Maria Grazia's debut, where much of the focus was on the heritage and on creating a "contemporary" vision for the brand. Her debut was much stronger in that way.

Wait are we thinking about the same collection SS17? The one that looked like a Chiara Ferragni x Valentino capsule collection?

 

[fruitdots]

If you call adventurous covering Lady Dior in Four-leaf clover, childishly lego looking, or writing Dracula on Maria’s Tote’s, then yeah… but NAAAAH!!! Dior is serious, should not look like joke. It’s not Moschino. It’s Dior.

Go look at his last collection for Loewe and you'll see far more compelling and challenging work. That or the cargo shorts in his recent Dior menswear debut, which do more with the Dior atelier than anything MGC ever attempted. She spent nearly a decade making versions of the same dress, threw some banal "feminist" quotes on t-shirts, and called it day. Nothing about her Dior was serious—it was a derivative, commercial mess buoyed by tacky garbage like the book tote.

 

[fruitdots]

Wait are we thinking about the same collection SS17? The one that looked like a Chiara Ferragni x Valentino capsule collection?

The retroactive rewriting of history happening in this thread is hilarious. People hated her Valentino-redux flop collections when first she showed them, and now somehow they're nostalgic for the elevated couture of "J'adore Dior" bra straps.

 

[BalkaniStaCouture]

Go look at his last collection for Loewe and you'll see far more compelling and challenging work. That or the cargo shorts in his recent Dior menswear debut, which do more with the Dior atelier than anything MGC ever attempted. She spent nearly a decade making versions of the same dress, threw some banal "feminist" quotes on t-shirts, and called it day. Nothing about her Dior was serious—it was a derivative, commercial mess buoyed by tacky garbage like the book tote.

Are you really expecting that somebody will buy those cargo shorts???

 

[Thefrenchy]

^ Just so you wait...

 

[fruitdots]

Are you really expecting that somebody will buy those cargo shorts???

Why is that the sole criterion of success? We're talking about a couture house, not H&M.

 

[PDFSD]

It's not odd that x designer may have weak and strong points in certain categories, either the one you like or dislike.

JWA for sure is more experimental and as Prince of pseudo intellectual arty farty conceptual fashion in his Loewe years ( his Dior seems to incorporate more romantic realistic notes lets see his womans version )

I understand what people miss or expect to miss in his Dior that MGC had, even with her consistency that was repetitive and boring to some one looking for new developments in design & couture she just modernised classic ideas in a narrow variety of choices.

Dior needs something new that's for sure maybe JWA can bring it maybe not!!!
One thing for sure he will have to do fugly commercial fashion to keep the sales going as MGC did with a big blond smile.
There will be enough to hate and love again at Dior :-)

 

[Thefrenchy]

This whole thing of CEOs/CMOs thinking it's a great idea to preview the first collection of their new CD on celebrities is absurd and very dangerous. We got the ugly Louise Trotter BV preview at Cannes, and now this at Dior. September is coming soon enough, there is absolutely no need for that. A bag, à la limite, but RTW is really an insane move...

 

[jeanclaude]

For me there is a draw: both of them are crap.

 

[Frederic01]

Are you really expecting that somebody will buy those cargo shorts???

I'm pretty sure the shorts are in the range of 8000-12.000 EUROS (I can't remember exactly but the price is extremely high). I predict we will see them on influencers next season and that is about it! LOL

 

[Frederic01]

Wait are we thinking about the same collection SS17? The one that looked like a Chiara Ferragni x Valentino capsule collection?

Yes. Say what you want, or judge it under the lens of your personal taste, but that collection was a strong moment for the brand. She asserted a totally new vision for Dior and in that collection created many hit-makers: the J'Adior branding (that went on for many seasons and to this day continues to sell), the slingbacks, the deconstructed bar jacket, the re-introduction of the branded t-shirt at Dior, etc etc.

I am not nostalgic for that time period of Dior by any means, I'm just merely stating facts and giving her respect where respect is due.

Jonathan's first outing for Dior on the other hand was not strong. It was not a departure or a fresh start for the brand, as observed by many people in this forum and in the press who saw similarities between the looks in the show with Kim Jones' vision for Dior Men.

Maria Grazia's first collection for Dior however was a complete shift from the respective aesthetic's of Raf Simons and John Galliano.

 

[Lola701]

I'm pretty sure the shorts are in the range of 8000-12.000 EUROS (I can't remember exactly but the price is extremely high). I predict we will see them on influencers next season and that is about it! LOL

Wait! You have male Couture clients!
I think the guy who had a Couture short suit could actually buy this.
It’s a conversation piece after all.