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Marc Jacobs S/S 08 NYC

psst! a lil birdie told me that the clothes actually arrived early but that marc really wanted to show at 11PM. has anyone heard this?

if marc moves his shows to paris, you might as well call the New York runway shows "New York Fashion Weak".
 
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It just was bad luck/timing. Not only was he super late (which really is outrageous) but then he presented a collection full of references, its vulnerablities laid bare. The journalists smelled blood and attacked, its as simple as that. He should have left Robert to do the talking, if he really was behind his collection 100% then its no skin off his nose. None of us should really feel sorry for him, he's waaaay to smart, he knew this was coming. He pulled a Britney and got called on it and now he's got a problem with it. Just another interesting chapter in the saga.
 
The first thought when I saw this collection was "CdG from the past 2 seasons" with the "witty" dress/jacket/underwear sewn onto a dress, etc. At least MJ is consistent this way - you can id the DNA of his "concepts" season after season. Much has been made of his value to NYFW for showing a more daring collection than others, but please....it is more "daring to plagiarize". Surely no serious fashion journalist would support this?? NYFW does have a problem with its dowdy shows and utter lack of creativity, but the solution is not Marc Jacobs.
 
wwd.com

DVF Reaches Out to Marc

Published: Friday, September 14, 2007
By Rosemary Feitelberg
First thing Thursday morning, Diane von Furstenberg phoned Marc Jacobs to plead with him to continue to show in New York, but said she understands his frustrations with the earlier-than-usual schedule this season.

The call came on the day WWD published a front-page story quoting an angry Jacobs attacking critics of the late start of his show Monday night. In his remarks, Jacobs threatened to move his show to Paris.

As president of the Council of Fashion Designers of America, von Furstenberg also said she will call on her European counterparts to make more of a unified effort in scheduling the shows. To that end, once their respective fashion weeks are wrapped up, she plans to arrange a meeting with British Fashion Council chairman Stuart Rose and chief executive officer Hilary Riva, the Italian Fashion Chamber's Mario Boselli and the Fédération Française de la Couture's Didier Grumbach.

"I will ask for a special meeting. I think that it's imperative," von Furstenberg told WWD. "To come back from Labor Day and to go right into fashion week — it's a nightmare."

That said, von Furstenberg did allow that the timing of this month's Jewish holidays is what really unraveled the show dates. Nevertheless, she insisted international camaraderie will be essential going forward.

"This is not just about different countries. This is a massive industry worldwide," she said. "We should all push back and be a little more respectful. Everyone is overwhelmed with too many shows. But everyone means well. We have to mean well. But we have to look at the industry as a global force."

The New York schedule being moved up "little by little" has made it very difficult for designers, especially those who rely on Italy for fabrics. Most Italian mills shut down in August for the summer break.

"I understand Marc's frustration. I just wanted to call him to beg. I wanted to tell him how important Marc Jacobs is in the American fashion industry," she said. "At the end of the conversation, he said if the dates work out so he has things in time, he will show here. He's pissed right now. He really isn't a prima donna."

Italian industrialists should consider how much American designers like Jacobs, Anna Sui, Vera Wang and many others, including young designers, rely on them, von Furstenberg said. "If the dates get earlier and earlier and Italy cannot ship on time, it's going to be a problem. Everyone will not be able to go show in Paris," she said. "This is a global industry. We all depend on each other, but we have been pushed in and in and in."

That said, American designers may need to find alternative resources if Italian companies cannot ship on time, she said.

The CFDA president surmised that, in terms of scheduling, it would be better for Jacobs, who already shows his Louis Vuitton collection in Paris, to continue to show his signature women's and men's collections and his Marc by Marc Jacobs line in New York. While Jacobs complained about the show schedule this season in an interview with WWD, he traditionally has shown the second Monday of September for the last several seasons.

But his departure would ultimately be detrimental to American fashion, von Furstenberg said. "He represents so much in American fashion. It would be really horrible to lose him....I am ready to beg in front of his pavement."
 
Awwww....please, .... Marc, sorry for not saying nice things...please...don't pack up your ball and go home... :(
 
My last word on this fiasco.
Marc should bring the signature collection to Paris. Present a salon show to a select few and concentrate on making the most creative AND beautiful collection of his life.
 
The mark of any great designer is to have a "signature style". Galliano, Gaultier, McQueen, Alaia, etc. have their individual signatures, without being boring. Jacobs has never had what I consider a "signature", instead he is always referencing another designer ( except maybe that grunge thing he once did). Someone else on here said it well when they said that Jacobs wasn't an artist, but rather a rip-off artist.

As for Mr. Jacob's whining and bitching, only the weak explain themselves. Perhaps he should show elsewhere and maybe then some undiscovered talent can be seen and recognized at NYFW.
 
i cant stand the innovative heelseveryone is going crazy about
 
Bizarrely I'm still a sucker for Marc Jacobs - don't love it all - not by a long shot but for me this is normal for MJ. I gotta get a mouse dress though - love, love, love it!
 
gee, people should really come read this before they even think of going to school for fashion, cause goddamn... people can really get torn apart with these comments.

no mercy
 
I think he needs to go back to rehab, I can't imagine he was clear minded when he put this together. not a notch on his headboard he'll be proud of.

Maybe one with a higher standard of personal grooming this time :p ;)

PS Props to Diane for saying what's necessary. I'm not sure I could do what she did.
 
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I agree, Marc Jacobs is THE show of ny fashionweek. I don't care what anyone says, sure Oscar De La Renta is beautiful and sure Michael Kors is money, but they do the same versions of their sellable formula season after season and while that is great for business (and in the end that is the bottom line) it doesn't generate much excitement. He's the only really directional top designer located in NY, w/o him all I have to look forward to is Proenza and Narciso.
Very Well said,i completly agree!
 
I love this collection. I just love whatever MJ creates. I really like this one.
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does anyone have hq's or detail shots for this collection? i'm dying to see it more in depth.
 
it's not the collection that is surrealistic... but all the buzzzzzzzz going around this collection...
the collection's got some good pieces but honestly i still think the concept is not that high considering what it's supposed to be... it's just good fashion... I don't know why everyone is trying to look for sthg conceptual in MJ... it's Fashion... not Art... he's not Rei K. nor Margiela...
please let Dada (and Surrealism) to Art... this is not Dada nor it's Surrealism at all...

it's just a Bourgeoise on crack who meets Carine Roitfeld glossy images and Rei Kawakubo SS07/FW06 collections in a US Chanel TrashBox...
it's not that bad... i even think it's funny...
 
My last word on this fiasco.
Marc should bring the signature collection to Paris. Present a salon show to a select few and concentrate on making the most creative AND beautiful collection of his life.


I, wholeheartedly, agree.

However valuable he is to NYFW, what is far more important to fashion as a whole (which is what really matters, after all, isn't it?), is that designers have all the time and resources they need.

BTW, I know it always has, but where is it written that NYFW has to happen first, anyway? Surely, as the furthest city from Italy (where most of the fabrics are manufactured), it should really happen last?

Really, the logical order would be Milan, Paris, London, NY, wouldn't it?

I feel that, currently, Milan and Paris have somewhat of an unfair advantage. :D
 
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BTW, I know it always has, but where is it written that NYFW has to happen first, anyway? Surely, as the furthest city from Italy (where most of the fabrics are manufactured), it should really happen last?

It actually WAS at the end for many, many years. I believe it changed when Helmut Lang moved his collection to NY.
 
I find it strange that they say just the fabrics are made in Italy - when a great deal of his clothing is actually manufactured in Italy too. A lot of the Marc by Marc Jacobs stuff is manufactured in Poland and Europe. As I understand it, the buyer's showroom is in Milan, the shoe, knitwear and accessory factories in Italy also. Marc forget New York, show in Paris!
 
Surely no serious fashion journalist would support this??

Which is why I was surprised that Cathy Horyn failed to see any CDG connection at all. She said so herself.

"And I did not, at least in this Jacobs, see a reference to the last Comme des Garcons show, apart from the big hair. Tell me I’m wrong, but I didn’t see it."

I really don't get the big deal, but I just want to say that Marc Jacobs isn't neutral or original at all. This man is simply really good at picking up on the latest thing. He feels the pulse before many others in the western world do.

Everyone is doing monochrome? I'll do florals.
Everyone's dresses have cute detail and sleeves? I'll create some slip dresses; very 90's Prada.
Everyone's tops are long? I think i'll make belly tops.
So, again, as Zazie said, the DNA or formula behind his collections is quite predictable and transparent.

Furthermore, he's really good at creating desirable items. But you do know what happens to "hot" items and impulse buys...you get tired of them really fast and end up looking like a fool.
 
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