New Seven Wonders of the World Announced

[FashionCapital]

I'm sorry, but the Christ Redeemer? Hagia Sophia was robbed.

lol, I wrote a paper on the Ancient Wonders~

 

[FashionCapital]

^I'm not that impressed by it. But maybe that is because I have yet to see it IRL...
I'm so very glad, Petra made the list
Also a list without the great wall of China would have been wrong, though I don't think anybody doubted that it was supposed to be there...

Though I would have loved to tee the Hanging Gardens o fBabylon, It must have been an amazing sight.

The Great Wall and the Pyramids are seriously the two most amazing things made by man.

 

[seanutbutter]

^ Definitely. I can't think of other structures that live up to them.

 

[leyla m.]

this list is a shock...
i agree with the egyptian officials who said it was a disgrace to even have to compete with the others! i mean, please, the pyramids of ghiza are an incredible and amazing part of history.. so are many other previous wonders of the world that are no longer on the list.
this just shows how the people are changing over time to not have recognised the oldies

 

[bluebutter]

Personally, I would love to see Babylon's Hanging Gardens existing today. Even the name conjures up a beautiful and mythical place. I'm thrilled that China's Great Wall made the list, though!

I was thinking the same thing about the Hanging Gardens. I would love to go back in time to see that as well as the Colossus at Rhodes.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the new seven wonders (Christ the Redeemer?) Although now, I'd really like to go see Machu Picchu and Petra.

 

[FashionJunkie]

i'm actually glad that they created a new list..the first one seemed really biased towards Ancient Greece and the new one acknowledges other civilizations as well. About time imo.

You do know who Ancient Greeks were?

- They invented democracy
- Everything in medicin is in greek (every word), father of Medicine is Hippocrates
- When people tried to survive, they were writing philosophy
- When people used to kill each other, they created masterpieces
- Math, Astronomy all started from ancient Greece
- They created the Olympics, which is not just a competition, it's the global union and the promotion of the healthy and friendly competition (eugenis amilla)that spurs a person to improve his own performance.

They were the best civilization and no one will ever take their place.

 

[FashionCapital]

You do know who Ancient Greeks were?

- They invented democracy
- Everything in medicin is in greek (every word), father of Medicine is Hippocrates
- When people tried to survive, they were writing philosophy
- When people used to kill each other, they created masterpieces
- Math, Astronomy all started from ancient Greece
- They created the Olympics, which is not just a competition, it's the global union and the promotion of the healthy and friendly competition (eugenis amilla)that spurs a person to improve his own performance.

They were the best civilization and no one will ever take their place.

Calling them the best civilization is ludicrous. Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, and China also had MANY achievements. Also, it was obviously biased towards Greeks--the Greeks wrote it! Besides, they had never seen the wonders outside of the Mediterranean. Also, please double check on your facts--math didn't originate there. Also, without the advances of the Egyptians, Greeks would'nt have been ANYWHERE in medicine.

Hagia Sophia was ROBBED! So was the Angkor Wat!

 

[PrinceOfCats]

They invented democracy

Athens 'invented' the word democracy: several democracies had existed before Athenian democracy.

Everything in medicin is in greek (every word), father of Medicine is Hippocrates

The medical treatise of the last centuries, which formed 'medicine', were written in Latin, as a lingua franca: Medical science owes a lot more to them than to Hippocrates.

When people tried to survive, they were writing philosophy

Every ancient civilization wrote 'philosophy', Western culture happens to value Greek philosophy above others.

When people used to kill each other, they created masterpieces

Greek sculptures are regarded as masterpieces in the Western tradition of art history (though they are largely only known through Roman copies other traditions attach no importance to them. Not to mention that the states of ancient Greece did their fair share of killing.

Math, Astronomy all started from ancient Greece

The Middle East, actually.

They created the Olympics, which is not just a competition, it's the global union and the promotion of the healthy and friendly competition (eugenis amilla)that spurs a person to improve his own performance.

The Greek Olympics haven't existed for over a thousand years. The modern Olympics were set up in France.

You should maybe think about how you might be a little biased...

 

[xmodel citizen]

Christ the Redeemer? Seriously? I mean, it's nice and has a great placement in Rio but it's not that amazing. The Statue of Liberty is not only taller but is made of copper rather than concrete and stone like CTR. Neither should've made the list IMO, they're nice but inconsequential. I highly doubt anyone in history will remember them as being so completely wondorous.

And I just googled Angkor Wat (I'd never heard of it before) and it is amazing!

 

[seanutbutter]

Since we've touched the subject several times now:

If you all were to create your own New Seven Wonders of the World list, what would you include?

I would likely include the Grand Coulee Dam for both its incredible size (all the pyramids at Giza could fit in its base) and purpose (largest electric power producing facility in the United States).

 

[sethii]

They shouldn't include anything built by slaves!

 

[SomethingElse]

Perhaps the list could have attended to the wonders that Nature has created, instead of structures made by people. The Himalayas, Antarctica, the Great Barrier Reef, the Asian Steppes, the Sahara, the Amazon, the Nile. The sun, the stars, the earth, water, life, flowers, wind. 'Nuf said.

 

[misssakura]

They shouldn't include anything built by slaves!

So we'd only have bridges and the empire state building..maybe the tour d'eiffel...although those workers weren't exactly treated that brilliantly either.

 

[FashionCapital]

Athens 'invented' the word democracy: several democracies had existed before Athenian democracy.
The medical treatise of the last centuries, which formed 'medicine', were written in Latin, as a lingua franca: Medical science owes a lot more to them than to Hippocrates.
Every ancient civilization wrote 'philosophy', Western culture happens to value Greek philosophy above others.
Greek sculptures are regarded as masterpieces in the Western tradition of art history (though they are largely only known through Roman copies other traditions attach no importance to them. Not to mention that the states of ancient Greece did their fair share of killing.
The Middle East, actually.
The Greek Olympics haven't existed for over a thousand years. The modern Olympics were set up in France.

You should maybe think about how you might be a little biased...

Karma for you!

My Seven Wonders (non-natural

1. Banaue Rice Terraces
2. Great Wall
3. Angkor Wat
4. Great Pyramids of Giza
5. Taj Mahal
6. Machu Picchu
7. Hagia Sophia

 

[anapaula]

Christ the Redeemer? Seriously? I mean, it's nice and has a great placement in Rio but it's not that amazing. The Statue of Liberty is not only taller but is made of copper rather than concrete and stone like CTR. Neither should've made the list IMO, they're nice but inconsequential. I highly doubt anyone in history will remember them as being so completely wondorous.

And I just googled Angkor Wat (I'd never heard of it before) and it is amazing!

Ever been there? I am not religious myself but it makes me emotional. It is nice to see Brazil being recognized for something...

 

[xmodel citizen]

^ No, and I'm sure it's lovely and all but in the grand scheme of our entire human history, it is neither the first nor the last big, religious statue. Compared to Angkor Wat it's pretty insignificant.

And Brazil has some amazing natural landmarks, I'm sure they wouldn't cry if CTR wasn't on the list

 

[seanutbutter]

Perhaps the list could have attended to the wonders that Nature has created, instead of structures made by people. The Himalayas, Antarctica, the Great Barrier Reef, the Asian Steppes, the Sahara, the Amazon, the Nile. The sun, the stars, the earth, water, life, flowers, wind. 'Nuf said.

There are many variations of a Seven Natural Wonders of the World list, but no "official" one as of yet.

Better yet, how about a Seven Wonders of the Solar System list?

 

[sethii]

So we'd only have bridges and the empire state building..maybe the tour d'eiffel...although those workers weren't exactly treated that brilliantly either.

There are more buildings than just the empire state building and the eiffel tower that have not been built by slaves. It's the principle of taking into account the function and construction of the thing that matters. It's just tough if the wonders of the ancient world have to be excluded.

 

[FashionJunkie]

I don’t expect everybody to be educated and to know history well. So I will help you with showing you some sites where you can read about history and get the facts straight. (none of these sites is wikipedia)

Athens 'invented' the word democracy: several democracies had existed before Athenian democracy.

I don't think i have to say anything it's well known democracy was created in Ancient Greece. Here are some links:

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/greeks/greekdemocracy_01.shtml

and here’s a book if you want to learn…
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10465.html

The medical treatise of the last centuries, which formed 'medicine', were written in Latin, as a lingua franca: Medical science owes a lot more to them than to Hippocrates.

Yes that's why the father of medicine (wordwide known) is Hippocrates (yes it's a greek name and you don't call someone father of medicine just because) and every term is greek. Mind you, this greek words (terms) are being used EVERYWHERE in the world.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10122a.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/index.html

Every ancient civilization wrote 'philosophy', Western culture happens to value Greek philosophy above others.

Greek philosophy is the most respected and important because the Greeks were the first who went past the "how the world is created" and dedicated their lifes in how to look at life in a bigger sense.

This will help you understand:

http://www.friesian.com/greek.htm#why
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/index.htm
http://www.radicalacademy.com/diahistphil.htm

The Middle East, actually.

"The rise of modern science in Europe, from the ancient Greeks to Isaac Newton. Other cultures were also quite interested and skilled in astronomy (the Mayans (link will display in another window), Egyptians, peoples of India and China come immediately to mind), but the Greeks were the first ones to try to explain how the universe worked in a logical, systematic manner using models and observations. Modern astronomy (and all of science) has its roots in the Greek tradition."

About math: All the basic theorems that you learn when you go to high school were written by Archimedes, Aristotle, Euclid, Thales, Pythagoras (yes they were all greek)

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52508.html
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9109383/Archimedes
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02025a.htm
http://www.astronomynotes.com/history/s1.htm

The Greek Olympics haven't existed for over a thousand years. The modern Olympics were set up in France.

First of all what you are saying doesn't make sense. Greeks UNDENIABLY created the olympic games and has nothing to do with who started them again after the years. But either way the Greeks started the olympics again, not the french (Athens 1896) Check the OFFICIAL site...

http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/index_uk.asp

You should maybe think about how you might be a little biased...

biased? no, educated? yes.

Even if you don’t know just use your logic. When most terms in medicine are greek, when democracy and philosophy are greek words, how is it possible to derive from another civilisation? Don’t you think that if they were created in China they would have a chinese name? It’s common sense.

What I fail to understand is how both of you without knowing what you are talking about you tried to correct me (and always use proof, not because "i say so"). Let’s hope now that you know..

 

[FashionCapital]

I respect your ability to back up your arguement with sources, but you've already diverted from your original assertations! You've said:

- They invented democracy
- Everything in medicin is in greek (every word), father of Medicine is Hippocrates
- When people tried to survive, they were writing philosophy
- When people used to kill each other, they created masterpieces
- Math, Astronomy all started from ancient Greece
- They created the Olympics, which is not just a competition, it's the global union and the promotion of the healthy and friendly competition (eugenis amilla)that spurs a person to improve his own performance.

They were the best civilization and no one will ever take their place.

If you had said that they developed ideas from previous civilizations as opposed to INVENTING all of these things, your arguement would've made sense. We said that they didn't invent medicine and all of medicine isn't Greek, yet you supplied us with links that just reminded us, once more, about the GREEK aspects of medicine. You provided no rebuttal to what we said. Egyptians used papyri to classify diseases according to syptoms. Indians understood the spinal cord's significance, and used surgical procedures similar to bone setting and plastic surgery. They also developed incoluation, which served as a smallpox vaccine. Westerners didn't know of a smallpox vaccine until the end of the 1700s. Also, Indians used cleanliness and disinfection before operating.

You originally said that they were "writing philosophy", yet we both said that others wrote philosophy before the Greeks. I never challenged that Greek philosophy was the most respected, however, yet you provided links that justify that--why? Whatever happened to backing up your original ascertation that Greeks wrote philosophy before others?

Science-wise, the Chinese were the first to determine that a year was exactly 365 1/4 days. They also were the first to observe sunspots--something that the Europeans didn't do until the 1600s CE. The Egyptians invented a lunar calendar. Indian astronomers identified the seven planets that can be seen without the aid of a telescope. They also accurately predicted eclipses of the Sun and Moon, as well as understanding of the Earth's daily rotation.

Also, it's not as if Greece invented all of math, as you said! They developed many important and significant parts of geometry and other things, yet they didn't develop ALL of it, as you originally said! I hope you've heard of Aryabhata--he was one of the first people known to have used algebra and solve quadratic equations. Indians knew about abstract and negative numbers. They also invented ARABIC numerals, which is obviously used extensively. Also, Egyptians invented a number system based on 10 (similar to decimals today), and they also used fractions and whole numbers. Sumerians divided a circle into 360 degrees, as well as proposing a number system based on 60. That's what we use today in watches and compasses.

Global union, huh? That's why only Ancient Greeks allowed Greeks to attend.

I'm not trying to demean Greece. We owe so much to each and every one of these civilizations, so saying that one was more important than the other is essentially pointless. There are a lot of great things about these civilizations that make them equally important. India and Mesopotamia's religions still exist today (Hinduism/Buddhism and Judaism, respectively), even if those of Greece and Egypt don't. However, Greece and Egypt were incredibly important in SO many other aspects. No civilization is better than the other--that's where you went wrong!

(Any information I've provided can be sourced by "World History: People and Nations, Ancient World" by Holt, Rineheart, and Winston, as well as http://www.imageofsurgery.com/Surgery_history_art.htm)