Picture Me: A Model's Diary (Documentary Film)

[Bamhutt]

I read the entire thread but I didn't see any story about Terry...

anyone can explain to me?

Well someone posted some videos of him working and some sexual pictures (someone said it was fake, so I don't know?) Basically it looked like he was using the models. I think it is a little of topic so the mods deleted/edited these posts

 

[model_mom]

Go to the photorapher's thread and look up Terry Richardson....some think he's a genius and some think he's a pervert....I tend to side with the latter group.

 

[Party.in.Paris]

Thanks for telling me
Yes I know Terry's work, I don't think he's a genius or a pervert. But I sure like many of his HF editorials.
I hope he doesn't act like a pervert with the models, doing nasty photoshoots is one thing but using the models in a bad way is another !
I really hope it's not true

 

[Fontenrose]

To be quite honest, I've always believed that this was a major factor in the overall age preference for models. Not just sexually, but a 14-year-old (even more so if does not speak English, French or Italian) without her parents would likely be much more easily manipulated than someone older.

Isn't it more like, the agencies sign them because if they don't, someone else will?

So the 16-yr-olds and the 18-yr-olds have to compete with the impossibly thin 14s who might have just grown two inches taller. Then the 14s hips continue to develop (maybe) and they are finished.

It's all messed up, just like the financial institutions who got us into a recession. The price for poor ethics ends up being paid by everyone.

 

[HopefulSeeker]

To be quite honest, I've always believed that this was a major factor in the overall age preference for models. Not just sexually, but a 14-year-old (even more so if does not speak English, French or Italian) without her parents would likely be much more easily manipulated than someone older.

Yes, there is certainly something to this!

Add to the equation a model's familial financial status. Survey some of the top-ranked international models; consider not only the Eastern Europeans, but also (actually) some of the North Americans and British models - many come from stressed economic backgrounds. The desire to free their families from hardships weighs heavy on those young, tiny shoulders!

 

[HopefulSeeker]

but what bothers me the most is the fact that the powerful women (editiors/designers/castingdirectors etc.)in this industry have such little compassion for these young girls , they have the means and the power to do something about it.

A very strong statement!

 

[.amahlia.]

yes!!! i soooo agree!!!
i mean, not to be extreme, but cant their be a little feminism in the fashion industry.

and most of these powerful women working for huge magazines are MOMS themselves. they dont ever feel a little protective over these young girls who might resemble their daughters??? i know i would try to help a girl get out of a situation like that.

 

[wednesdays child]

i don't know that feminism involves telling girls how they feel and what their experience is...the movie is great because it gives the models themselves a chance to tell their own story,, I don't think we should preempt it by deciding what they will say and how they feel about the industry before we see it...I also think we do girls a disservice by automatically framing them as victims of the industry..... many girls know exactly what they want to acheive and go after it... sara ziff seemed to say in most interviews that there are positives and negatives and that she's grateful for the opportunities that modeling gave her...

 

[khyrk]

Model, Sena Cech discusses being in debt to her agency and how hard it is to make money as a model.




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"they have to pick their nose and that goes to your debt"


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[khyrk]

stills from the film

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[khyrk]

more vids, I'm re-posting since the old posts are not working

Picture Me Trailer


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Olga Sherer and Tanya D. discuss the ups and downs of starting their careers at such a young age.

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Sara does the Hussein Chalayan show in the Louvre in Paris

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Missy Rayder and Diana Dondoe discuss the current trend of skinny models on the Runway.


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Nicole Miller, Kevin Krier & Irina Lazareanu discuss the crazy pace of show season.

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[Verene]

The interview with Olga and Tanya is so sad...

 

[clocked]

The interview with Olga and Tanya is so sad...

i know! with Tanya saying she thinks the fashion world is "a good school" for 14-year-olds...then contradicts herself without even knowing it with "I'm 16, but i feel much older"...

 

[Elise1986]

i know! with Tanya saying she thinks the fashion world is "a good school" for 14-year-olds...then contradicts herself without even knowing it with "I'm 16, but i feel much older"...

i don't think it's a contradiction. i thought she was meaning, that the fashion world is a good school for maturing fast.

 

[khyrk]

almost all the models say that. they start out young and mature really fast for their age

 

[Paws]

i don't think it's a contradiction. i thought she was meaning, that the fashion world is a good school for maturing fast.

Could be what she meant and if so......that is sad in a way.

 

[saucer-like]

Isn't it more like, the agencies sign them because if they don't, someone else will?

So the 16-yr-olds and the 18-yr-olds have to compete with the impossibly thin 14s who might have just grown two inches taller. Then the 14s hips continue to develop (maybe) and they are finished.

It's all messed up, just like the financial institutions who got us into a recession. The price for poor ethics ends up being paid by everyone.

I'm not necessarily advocating that the industry stop employing young models. That would be unrealistic and there actually are many great models who started at that age. I can't make a blanket statement that all of them were taking advantage of throughout their careers, specifically because of their age and/or language barriers. Certainly, if one agency does not sign them, someone else will -- there is no doubt that it would be the agency's loss because the reality is that the industry prefers young models and the agency is a business. However, I think it is a question of why do the "other guys" want her in the first place.

 

[HopefulSeeker]

^Interesting point, saucer-like.

i don't know that feminism involves telling girls how they feel and what their experience is...the movie is great because it gives the models themselves a chance to tell their own story,, I don't think we should preempt it by deciding what they will say and how they feel about the industry before we see it...I also think we do girls a disservice by automatically framing them as victims of the industry..... many girls know exactly what they want to acheive and go after it... sara ziff seemed to say in most interviews that there are positives and negatives and that she's grateful for the opportunities that modeling gave her...

I agree with you, but I don't understand where this is coming from. Please explain what you mean.

I don't think anyone is "telling girls how they feel and what their experience is". (I quote not to condescend, but to be accurate.) I agree that there should not be an "automatic framing" of every model as a victim. You're right, wednesday's child, that there are two sides to every coin, and the opportunities that come from such a career as modeling are stupendous! There's great beauty and art in the fields of fashion and modeling that remain pure and honorable; but, like in many industries, the business shortcomings can turn criminal, not to mention, this same ugliness can damage lives! That's why this dialogue is so necessary! Industry procedures and policy should be ethical and just, despite the improbability stamp so many attach to this idea! A union or similar organization could offer this absent yet crucial education and support, and perhaps also act as the necessary watchdog.

With this said, yes, it's more than necessary to take the good with the bad! Let's hope that all seek to exude the same gratitude Sara Ziff has for her experiences!

A word about feminism:
Feminism, at its core, is the result of inequality and a call for equality for all. Women are central in feminism because the ideology and practice was/is born of women. Some may argue that the fashion industry is feminist, if labelling the exterior. They may even go further and claim that its make-up is feminist. Others might argue that it's anything but! It's subjective. You can make a case for anything! I think there is a new discussion thread in this somewhere.

Perhaps this is less about feminism and more about doing the right thing. Gender and politics aside, adults should do the right thing and if a child is in danger, an adult should step up and prevent. First, however, those in trouble must know they have somewhere to go.

It's important to remember that, although incorporated and mutually dependent, the behind-the-scenes business and the in-front-of-the-camera business are separate worlds. Maybe these worlds need to converge more empathetically.

 

[wednesdays child]

I was referring to this post

"i mean, not to be extreme, but cant their be a little feminism in the fashion industry.

and most of these powerful women working for huge magazines are MOMS themselves. they dont ever feel a little protective over these young girls who might resemble their daughters??? i know i would try to help a girl get out of a situation like that."

I was just trying to say, what situation? is being a young girl shot for a magazine immediately exploitative????, thereare other viewpoints, magazine editors may feel happy to be able to give these young girls opportunities to travel and make money and broaden their horizons that they may not otherwise have had

I remember last fashion week, there was controversy about auguste abuilante crying on the runway , people were quick to jump in with comments about how the poor thing was probably homesick so far away from home too young having her hair pulled etc, critics were so focussed on their portrayal of her as a victim that they didn't even want to listen to Auguste's own experience that she loved and enjoyed and was excited for the show but that her eyes watered under the sensitive lights

There is nothing I abhor more than if girls are taken advantage of or made to do things they are uncomfortable with or pressured, this makes me incredibly angry, it happens all the time to waitresses, office workers etc and sometimes models
YES models should have more protection, a union even, but lets not jump to conclusions is all I'm saying, most of us haven't even seen the film, I'm just cautioning against deciding what is IN the film before we've seen it!

 

[LUXXX]

I think this all looks very interesting, hopefully it gets picked up by a network, HBO or A&E would be perfect. I like that she chose other relevant high fashion models who are older and intelligent to really discuss these issues. Diana, in particular, comes across well from what I hear.