Racial Diversity In Modeling

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^ I wasn't talking about your posts, sorry ... I meant SHSH and birgitta's posts above. I mean, listen, I didn't think anyone could surprise me anymore. I know a guy from the deep South whose father quite literally believes that black people evolved from monkeys and white people were created by God on the 6th day ... so I thought I was unshockable. But the information in both these posts astounded me.

I wonder if some of what SHSH is experiencing is a result of the unpopularity of the current regime abroad (OK, not just abroad ... I guess you could say 'worldwide') ...
 
Let's get back on topic here with the discussion of models & not politics.

Thank You.
 
Of course they discriminate because they are black but black americans really are perceived differently here in Europe I mean we only see what is depicted on tv. You cant tell their nationality but when I go abroad i feel the difference.

It hasnt always been that way, I think people need to remember that there is abit of hostility between France and the U.S. over Iraq and the cultures are quite opposite. The current regime hasnt helped! Don't worry all my american tfs friends that should be over soon! ;)^_^:p

Yet when I was in Paris ppl thought I was Francophone because there are plenty of french-speaking definitely non-american black people who live in France... Even when I was in Luzern (CH), some ppl would talk to me in swiss german or french first...so I don't buy that these ppl associate Black to American only.

Also some of the world-known black women in modeling famously aren't Americans--Naomi Campbell and Iman, etc.





I think this nationality excuse as a basis of discrimination against black models isn't valid...i get the point yer trying to make that BET culture soiled the rep of blacks all over the world, but the big-name black models don't look like videovixens...the fact that they are associated as such is...well, racist.

Also people and the media cherrypick which images they want to apply to blacks... there are plenty of positive/non-threatening images and fictional examples of black people and black families available on the american and international market. -- bob marley to josephine baker to lauryn hill to will smith movies -- It isn't Black America's fault that the most popular "black music" imports to Europe or white american suburbs are mostly negative...what does that say about your culture and what Europeans or non-black americans are expecting or even demanding from Black people?



Let's be real:
Black isn't Beautiful at the moment according to the agencies, some mag editors, and some designers. This has nothing to do with the War in Iraq, BET, black women not being "strong enough" or "having the 'in' body type".

Also a strong black model can and has done non-euro/non-north american markets. There is work for black models especially if they look vaguely mixed in Asia...and especially if the product is being marketed as "urban" or "edgy"...




Finally, isn't the topic of the thread... "Campbell criticises Vogue for lack of black models" ...I don't know about anyone else, but that reads political to me.




Off topic.......
Ta-ta said:
"Probably the most touching for me was a slideshow of American supporters abroad in which a number of old white guys in countries around the world (against the backdrop of structures older than our country) were giving the black power salute. There's something you don't see every day."

-- Just because an old white man gives a black power salute doesn't mean he is truly in solidarity with black people. In fact, these old white men disrespect black folks in thinking that they are entitled to give a black power salute...
 


for example, i was looking at Supreme Models blog and i came across a post that made the disgusting comparison of a certain U.S. presidential candidate to a monkey. the first few comments denounced the comparison as racist and in poor taste. one of the commenter said she saw nothing wrong with it and went on to direct anyone interested to a japanese comedian who performed a blackface routine of this candidate that she found highly amusing :yuk:. i clicked the commenter's url link to see what kind of person would think that such an insensitive comment was appropriate?it linked to her blog in which she explains she has lived in various parts of Asia

(i was actually surprised because the place she states as her home is supposed to be an incredibly diverse country)
. i have heard that in asia and eastern europe the use of racial slurs, depictions of Afro-descended people in "sambo" and "blackface " style, and idea that the browner your skin is the dirtier/uglier you are are condoned by many but i'm optimistic that it isn't representative of all.

If it makes you feel any better, our current president is compared to a monkey a lot as well ;)
 
Let's get back on topic here with the discussion of models & not politics.

Thank You.

Campbell criticises Vogue for lack of black models

Is a political issue, there is a reason why there arent enough black models...

:doh:
 
Finally, isn't the topic of the thread... "Campbell criticises Vogue for lack of black models" ...I don't know about anyone else, but that reads political to me.[/SIZE]


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Ah--the anti-american/euro bashing among other things....I agree....just for clarification is the core discussion of racism in the fashion industry allowed (the original topic of the thread)?
 
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Yes. That is the core of this discussion. Although it is difficult not to also talk about deeper issues, please keep this thread fashion related, since that is the topic of the thread and the forum.

You can always PM each other, or have some profile discussion about the related non-fashion topics. :flower:
 
Most of my work is for American Vogue. I shoot for it almost every issue. This is a magazine that sells 1.2m copies and is probably read by 3m. Its reach is so wide you have to be quite easily understood. Whereas British Vogue's aesthetics are different. You can't give them work that's too bland. It's got to have a certain humour; a certain fun. - Mario Testino in his blog for the Independent

American Vogue, designed to be bland, dull, obvious, according to Mr. Testino. And that's an opinion from an insider... ouch!
 
If it makes you feel any better, our current president is compared to a monkey a lot as well ;)

lol i'd rather no one have to be subjected to that comparison at all if possible.
[ MissMagAddict : sorry if you are referencing my post as political, i only used the supreme post as a reference since it was on a fashion oriented blog]

Did anyone see some of the new scans/ video of the Vogue italia issue? It all looks so beautiful but i have to say the Supes definitely seemed to out do the new faces ^_^. Except Sessilee, she looks as though she was absolutely born to do this job:heart:.
 
Submitted by Wayne on Tue, 2008-07-08 22:53
Hiss Hiss...
By September the time the September shows roll around a good half dozen of all those CK Jeans/ Hugo Boss/ Armani blue chip faces will have switched agencies. Its like we said at MDC..there seems to be a huge reset going on in the industry these days...And it looks like that July Vogue extravaganza is starting to have an ad impact already. A Very Important Hisser told me today certain clients have instructed our spy to be more "inclusive" in their future ad castings. Very 90's multi-cultural no?

via Bianca in Models Switching Agencies
 
I don't know what you guys are talking about on the last page, but there are plenty of Black people in Europe's major cities. In my experience, just about every major establishment I've been to has at least two black people working there. I'm black and no one has ever called me any names or treated me badly while in Europe. I actually get treated way better in Europe than in America. So I don't know where you get that idea from. Japanese youth love the Black American subculture of Hip Hop. A lot of people are delusional on here. LOL I know several black people living in Japan, and they love it. Everyone does NOT hate Black Americans!
 
I don't know what you guys are talking about on the last page, but there are plenty of Black people in Europe's major cities. In my experience, just about every major establishment I've been to has at least two black people working there. I'm black and no one has ever called me any names or treated me badly while in Europe. I actually get treated way better in Europe than in America. So I don't know where you get that idea from. Japanese youth love the Black American subculture of Hip Hop. A lot of people are delusional on here. LOL I know several black people living in Japan, and they love it. Everyone does NOT hate Black Americans!

Your experience is consistent with what I would've expected ... but I suppose there are pockets of ignorance everywhere.

So I see Naomi is in YSL's fall campaign ... does anyone else think she looks badly Photoshopped? To me her real legs are much better than what I'm seeing in the ads ...
 
I'm loving Naomi as of late, but why is she always wearing those bejeweled YSL trousers? She has worn those things EVERYWHERE!!! LOL Vogue Italia was a stunning issue! Sessilee, Naomi, and Tocorra were not playing around! LOL Sessilee was the STAR of the issue! Naomi has NEVER looked better! Tocorra inside of the trunk=stunning! I was not that enthusiastic about this magazine issue when I first heard about it;....that was until I saw Sessilee with that cigarette and veil. I must admit I got a little emotional. :cry: It felt so good worshipping WORTHY black images for a change. It was the type of editorial that I've been waiting for a black person to do.

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I thought this would be appropriate news for this thread :flower:.

SCOOP DU JOUR:AUGUST VOGUE ITALIA HISS

The fashion kids have just about sussed out the next VI cover (which is highly unlikely to be Linda btw) but can they imagine how chiiiiiiiiic the images are said to be? Think a reference to a recent fashion world event and the most haute of the haute models looking suitably emotional...In other VI news the waves from the"Black Issue" continues to resonate with girls both recent and legendary booking a "Mohagany" story for a certain blue chip publication. Then there's this talk of another cover for Naomi in September. That too might very well be a multiple girl/single covers each must-buy extravaganza. Phew. The mags are fighting for their place in the cultural spotlight no?
source | the imagist

I know that I'm too impatient but I'm eager for the day when a black model or models will be booked for something that has no connection with highlighting their skin colour, just a good job.
 
^I agree, I hope some newer Black model can be on the cover, like Sessilee, Chanel, Jourdan, or someone else.
 
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