Racial Diversity In Modeling

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I'm loving Naomi as of late, but why is she always wearing those bejeweled YSL trousers? She has worn those things EVERYWHERE!!! LOL Vogue Italia was a stunning issue! Sessilee, Naomi, and Tocorra were not playing around! LOL Sessilee was the STAR of the issue! Naomi has NEVER looked better! Tocorra inside of the trunk=stunning! I was not that enthusiastic about this magazine issue when I first heard about it;....that was until I saw Sessilee with that cigarette and veil. I must admit I got a little emotional. :cry: It felt so good worshipping WORTHY black images for a change. It was the type of editorial that I've been waiting for a black person to do.


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I completely agree, and the ed Sessilee did is the type of ed I've been waiting for any model to do. She is so good :D
 
another naomi cover? really? i love her but she can sit down.

:rofl:

I'm not too sore about it since for the earlier part of the year it was Kate Moss that we couldn't get away from. Gives some balance.
 
Vogue Italia's Black Issue spurred by Obama
Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:03pm IST

By Jo Winterbottom

MILAN (Reuters Life!) - Vogue Italia editor Franca Sozzani says the spur for July's first-ever "Black Issue" of the fashion magazine came in part from Barack Obama's progress en route to becoming Democratic presidential candidate.
And partly because she wasn't impressed with the current crop of look alike models with no personality.
"America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready for a black model?," Sozzani said in an interview with Reuters.

"I was in America on 'Super Tuesday.' Of course it influenced me in a way ... it was part of my general idea," she said.
That general idea became an issue featuring over 20 black models ranging from Naomi Campbell to relative newcomers such as Britain's Jourdan Dunn who takes pride of place on the cover.


Sozzani, who has been at Vogue Italia for 20 years, said she was also attracted by the strong personalities of the black models.
"At the moment, I really don't like any girls on the runway. They are all beautiful, amazing, long legs, beautiful eyes, but they all look alike," she said.


"No girl really impressed me. The only one was Liya Kebede, she's so elegant, she's so chic," Sozzani added, referring to the Ethiopian-born model who is also a goodwill ambassador for the World Health Organization

The July issue also features a profile of Michelle Obama, wife of the presidential candidate, and interviews with director Spike Lee and Edmonde Charles-Roux, who quit as editor of Vogue Paris over a decision not to use a cover of black model Donyale Luna in June 1966.


Sozzani said she had a different experience for her issue over 40 years later and found no resistance.

"No, no (resistance) at all, not from the clients, not from the people, my chairman was enthusiastic from the beginning," she said.


Sozzani plans to use more black models in the future, but adds "I don't want to say every issue, every story should be with black girls, but we should have more."
The fashion business still uses few black models for advertising and even in the Black Issue's nearly 350 pages they appear in less than a handful of publicity shots.

Sozzani says she used her influence with some advertisers to persuade them to use black models.

"I know that they're already asking for more .. for shooting and I know that already some are thinking to use more even for the shows," she said, adding "but you never know what is in the minds of the designers."

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Thanks J'ador....can't say Sozzani's taste impresses me much. To paraphrase her ""Everyone looks alike but Liya is so elegant and chic....". Well, despite her beauty has taken 5 great shots in her life. Kind of....not the greatest model out there ^_^

Sessilee's portfolio from Vogue Italia is better than Liya's collected work, IMO ;)
 
Only white models?

Do most of the women really look up to blue-eyed white-skinned models as their inspiration for external beauty?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080629/lf_afp/lifestylefashionwomendiscrimination_080629043330

PARIS (AFP) - Though America stands poised for its first black president in history, the fashion world descending on Paris for this week's couture-show summit will be treated yet again to a "white-out" on the catwalks.

After the emergence 30 years back of black faces on catwalks -- thanks largely to recently demised French couture giant Yves Saint Laurent -- fashion in the first decade of the 21st century has turned relentlessly white.
"I asked the modelling agency for black girls for our next show but there simply aren't any," said Mario Lefranc, half of the Lefranc-Ferrant designer duo, one of 40-odd labels presenting couture collections in Paris over the coming week.
"I'm sick of blonde Russian girls," he told AFP. "Clearly the trend now is all for blue-eyed blondes."
And at Jean-Paul Gaultier's, a designer renowned for using models of all ages, sizes, and origins, one assistant said: "It's really very difficult at the moment. There are no black models on the market, the agencies have none."
In the last few years, she added, "there's been an invasion of girls from Eastern Europe, of their type of beauty."
Former model Mounia, now 40-something and born on the French Caribbean island of Martinique, was one of the first top black models to hit high fashion those few decades ago, along with by Iman, Katousha, Naomi Campbell, Jourdan Dunn, Alek Wek and Pat Cleveland.
An aspiring air hostess discovered by Hubert de Givenchy, then propelled onto the catwalk by Saint Laurent, she acted as the face of YSL for some 15 years from 1985 onwards. "He was inspired by the colour of my skin," Mounia told AFP. "I was his black model, his first black muse."
"I've noticed there are many fewer black models on the catwalks today and I think it's a pity," she said. "Particularly when you look around at what is going on worldwide, at how society has evolved, at what is going on in America."
Fashion has long been said to reflect changes in the air, and Barack Obama's rising star was one of the reasons behind a momentous decision in the rarefied world of style by Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani to make a statement against discrimination in its forthcoming issue.
Bound to make waves in the weeks and months to come, July's issue of Vogue Italia is to feature more than 100 pages, including the cover, of images of black women -- models as well as successful black women in arts and entertainment. The pictures were taken by influential US photographer Steven Meisel, known for his 1992 volume with Madonna.
"Franca doesn't realise what she's done for people of colour," Campbell was quoted as saying of Vogue's "A Black Issue" in The New York Times. "It reminds me of Yves (Saint Laurent) using all the black models."
And London's Daily Telegraph noted that "this will be an event to remember."
As advertisers increasingly beam images of a multi-ethnic global society around the world, the whitewash on the catwalks appears absurdly out of touch with reality.
So what ever happened since YSL, Paco Rabanne or Azzedine Alaïa put black models on the front pages?.
White domination on the catwalks in the 50s and early 60s, when racism and ostracism remained rife, reflected the times, said fashion historian Lydia Kamitsis.
"Seeing black girls on covers and catwalks in the mid-60s caused a real scandal," she told AFP. "In the 80s there was an explosion of cultural and ethnic diversity, with models of all shapes and all cultures."

"Then all this disappeared progressively to become this uniform whiteness of today."
Kamitsis said she believed the white-out of black girls was because labels had become more important than creativity in contemporary fashion. "The product is what counts, the product is more important than the model's personality.
Today's style, in contrast with times when to be different was what counted, was "more uniform, more neutral" and designers themselves subjected to marketing strategies and zero-risk production diktats.
"The market for fashion goods, emerging nations such as China, Russia, the Arab world, are countries that are not specially known for favouring social or cultural mixes," she said.
"White models are without a doubt the easiest ways of attracting these clients."
According to Renee Dujac-Cassou, who heads Paris' Crystal models agency, "blue-eyed blondes have always been the dream type. It's as simple as that." "A beautiful African woman is not the dream type, neither is a Tibetan or a Chinese princess." The number of non-white models parading on catwalks, she said, "will always be extremely limited"
 
This is sick and saddening. The Brazilian and tanning explosion of a few years ago had me thinking that the "raceless" look was certainly the future. But we have certainly taken MANY steps back. It seems the world is following suit with extremism. I don't know what this all means but it is very telling...
 
Diversity is the most beautiful thing ever. I think fashion would be a lot more fun if there was more diversity. By diversity not just meaning "black people" but also latinos,and asians. Just beautiful, exotic, unique people that exist in every race.
 
Former model Mounia, now 40-something and born on the French Caribbean island of Martinique, was one of the first top black models to hit high fashion those few decades ago, along with by Iman, Katousha, Naomi Campbell, Jourdan Dunn, Alek Wek and Pat Cleveland.

Inaccurate much?

I hate the way the media nails it all down to Obama when it comes to racial diversity these days, like he's the new Mandela or the 21st century Martin Luther King. He's nothing compared to them.

Kamitsis said she believed the white-out of black girls was because labels had become more important than creativity in contemporary fashion. "The product is what counts, the product is more important than the model's personality.
Today's style, in contrast with times when to be different was what counted, was "more uniform, more neutral" and designers themselves subjected to marketing strategies and zero-risk production diktats.
"The market for fashion goods, emerging nations such as China, Russia, the Arab world, are countries that are not specially known for favouring social or cultural mixes," she said.
"White models are without a doubt the easiest ways of attracting these clients."

That pretty much sums it up. It's all about finding a non-threatening look to market the products. It's not about a "dream type" - that's bull. Anyone who's looking outside their own world knows that the blond, blue-eyed type isn't a worldwide favourite. It may be in some places, but definitely not everywhere. It's just a safe, harmless look. Absolutely non-threatening.
 
^^ Good points, Nemova. I think people also forget that Russia is one of the biggest markets right now for luxury goods such as fashion and art, so it makes sense to me that designer use models that are close to Slavic standards of beauty to advertise their products. I'm all for more diversity on the catwalk and in editorials, but I hope it's not at the expense of hiring girls from former Soviet countries. There is rampant poverty there, and a lot of these models are really hungry (which I mean figuratively, not as a pun). I think one reason that so many "Eastern European" girls have become successful is because they are extremely focused and hard-working.
 
Kamitsis said she believed the white-out of black girls was because labels had become more important than creativity in contemporary fashion. "The product is what counts, the product is more important than the model's personality."


That's so offensive! What does one's personality have to do with one's skin color? That's insulting to all models (by this logic Sasha has zero personality and Jourdan Dunn has too much of it!) Frankly, a models' personality is irrelevant anyway since she is essentially 'acting' as whatever the designer requests.
 
do designers really see race as a trend? As they do with certain types of fabrics and jackets?
 
^^ Good points, Nemova. I think people also forget that Russia is one of the biggest markets right now for luxury goods such as fashion and art, so it makes sense to me that designer use models that are close to Slavic standards of beauty to advertise their products. I'm all for more diversity on the catwalk and in editorials, but I hope it's not at the expense of hiring girls from former Soviet countries. There is rampant poverty there, and a lot of these models are really hungry (which I mean figuratively, not as a pun). I think one reason that so many "Eastern European" girls have become successful is because they are extremely focused and hard-working.

Well, so is all of South Asia and some of the North African/Middle-Eastern countries with oil rsources (and some African countries too, they're not all poor or living in Cape Town) and I don't see those girls taking over the runway :rolleyes:. I think the popular of EE girls has more to do with them being close to the fashion centres and very "hungry" (and easily exploited?) than any designer being worried about the Russian market.

do designers really see race as a trend? As they do with certain types of fabrics and jackets?

Yep! *sigh*
 
Inaccurate much?

I hate the way the media nails it all down to Obama when it comes to racial diversity these days, like he's the new Mandela or the 21st century Martin Luther King. He's nothing compared to them.

Unlike King or Mandela, Obama is multi-racial.

And Obama has plenty of time to make a mark on the world.
 
^Exactly - he has time to make it, but he hasn't made it yet. There's plenty of racial diversity in the US or anywhere on this side of the planet, he's not the iconic multi-racial citizen of the world to be treated as such.
 
Bahiyya, I agree more or less with everything you said. But I remember that as little back as the 90's there were only a handful of successful EE models. Now if you go to the Supporting Cast thread, more than half the names sound Slavic. I am certain that there is a sociological explanation for this that is far more complex than the notion that designers are only interested in the blonde, blue-eyed (in any case, "Northern European") ideal of beauty. I over-simplified my reasoning for this in my previous post, and you are right of course, other regions are just as impoverished as many EE countries.

However, I would not undermine the power of the Russian market. It's just a huge, huge market at the moment, and I do think that fashion houses are lobbing a great deal of their attention that way right now. Naturally their choice of models is going to reflect the (presumptive) beauty ideals of the customers they want to lure.
 
Inaccurate much?

That pretty much sums it up. It's all about finding a non-threatening look to market the products. It's not about a "dream type" - that's bull. Anyone who's looking outside their own world knows that the blond, blue-eyed type isn't a worldwide favourite. It may be in some places, but definitely not everywhere. It's just a safe, harmless look. Absolutely non-threatening.

I totally agree, this "dream type" idea is just stupid.
 
The tone of the article is a little offending, imo.
The reason the current crop of model is bland and uniform has nothing to do with their race and all to do with the fact that they are children, usually living an unhealthy lifestyle to stick to fashion standards, are often exploited and then shipped back to their country or worse after one season (the wages have gone down since the EE flood because the agencies and clients now the girls need the money and won't negotiate so much).
If the Fashion industry would go back to hire women (regardless of their race), we would be seeing some personality on the runway again.
^Exactly - he has time to make it, but he hasn't made it yet. There's plenty of racial diversity in the US or anywhere on this side of the planet, he's not the iconic multi-racial citizen of the world to be treated as such.
He is the first valid Black presidential candidate in a country who is still very racially divided and yes, racist. This is a guy who get the votes of some people who would probably who have heart attack if their daughter brought a Black bf home.
The only way Black have gain such respect in the US is trough entertainment. Will Smith, Michael Jordan, etc. are OK because they have no real power, they are non-threatening.
For the first time, the US are seriously considering giving a Black man real power (Powell never had a real shot).
Just for that, and even if he loses, he has already gained his place in history, and he is iconic.
 
I think they mean aspirational type, not dream type. Someone, women aspire to symbolise or represent because of their status whilst wearing designer items.

It's a proven psychological fact that aspirationalism drives advertising, and the majority of the time it is anglo-saxon or similar to an anglo-saxon look, this is why it is predominant. It's been the marketing of prosperity, success means money and this is usually associated with the predominating race that happens to represent the majority of the upper class.

It's an unfortunate fact.

I personally find the use of "non-threatening" in the article offensive, what do they think is going to happen? A Hispanic or African American is going to jump off the runway or billboard and jump them? Come on, even the Middle Eastern or Arabic look is excluded and these types of looks are so exotic and eye-catching. In order to break social stigma there needs to be a moving force to reckon with it, and in this case society would imitate a driving advertising campaign where races are not seen as races but rather as beautiful looks.
 
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