Sean John is important, I believe, because unlike Baby Phat or Fubu, Sean John, as a label, acts to raise the clothing mentality of hip-hop out of the ghetto, and it allows a young kid the option of looking classy without betraying one's roots to the hip-hop community.
fourthly i dont like how he always thinks he needs to justify himself as a black man....WE KNOW UR BLACK DUDE....... so what just because he's sucessful and black?.....come on.....you arent the only one...
Acid said:fifthly he obviously wants his ex wife back but wont commit because it will put a damper on his pimp daddy image
AlexN said:Yes, hating clothing does not equal hating a culture. This is getting way off track.
travolta said:maybe not directly...and this is not to imply that you are specificially at fault for this. in any case, i'm glad this is being brought up. there seems to sharply drawn lines about what is considered 'fashionable' when we all know it is purely subjective...how is buying john galliano any different in the end -- or any high end designer who is raking in the big bucks? i can see both 'sides' have valid points, what's the harm in examining this further esp. when there are such strong opinions?
Disliking a collection of clothing does not inherently equal disliking a culture directly or indirectly. Do I dislike the three pictures in this thread? Yes. Do I dislike black culture? Not at all. Would I dislike this collection if I had no idea it was by Sean Combs, and perhaps thought it was by Italian designers such as Dolce & Gabbana or Donatella Versace? Yes. Do I dislike Italian culture? Not at all. Do I dislike the idea that Sean Combs is seemingly in fashion solely for business purposes, and not at all for artistic purposes? Yes, it irks me. Is that the reason I dislike the few pictures posted? No. Does Sean Combs' arguable role-model status make these designs any better? No.travolta said:maybe not directly...
Acid said:i actually cant stand Sean John
firstly we share the same first name
secondly he thinks hes some gangster mogul superstar
thirdly he tries too hard to venture into other things
fourthly i dont like how he always thinks he needs to justify himself as a black man....WE KNOW UR BLACK DUDE....... so what just because he's sucessful and black?.....come on.....you arent the only one...
fifthly he obviously wants his ex wife back but wont commit because it will put a damper on his pimp daddy image
Acid said:i actually cant stand Sean John
firstly we share the same first name
secondly he thinks hes some gangster mogul superstar
thirdly he tries too hard to venture into other things
fourthly i dont like how he always thinks he needs to justify himself as a black man....WE KNOW UR BLACK DUDE....... so what just because he's sucessful and black?.....come on.....you arent the only one...
fifthly he obviously wants his ex wife back but wont commit because it will put a damper on his pimp daddy image
Kimkhuu said:You made such a brilliant comment Arturo!
I've seen the three pics posted in this thread and it's already enough I don't want to go through the pain of seeing his entire collection. Fashion is NOT in the eye of the beholder, beauty is. Fashion is a phenomen. Not anyone can create REAL fashion. Fashion is art, not some faux designer using his fame to shamelessly promote crap.
meme527 said:after reading this entire thread, i don't even know where to start.
the fashion industry is a business. some in the industry are genius artists, some are deluded pretenders; some are entrepreneurs and producers and cheerleaders and handholders and drug-dealers and parasites; there are all kinds of roles to play. no need to be self-righteous about how superior your taste is, or how you are all about beauty. it might make you feel good, but it's a big world out there - not everybody likes what you like.
i don't think sean combs is an artist, either musically or sartorially. he's a PRODUCER. he "makes the band". he gets people together and makes things happen. he has enough talent to know what his talent is - making money - and he has enough vision to know what he wants to do with at least SOME of that money - inspire youth to dream big and achieve. especially youth who are oppressed by racism and poverty.
and i like sean combs for that.
sean combs uses fur. i don't like that. i don't like it when rick owens does it either, but i like his clothes otherwise.
some of combs' ideas about women seem pretty old-fashioned, in a typically heterosexist way.
i don't like the whole *bling* thing, because i despise conspicuous consumption, whether it is gold teeth or galliano. i think it encourages people to put too much emphasize on the external, to get rich or die/kill trying. and i feel the same whether it is a gang murder on the street, or an oil company-sponsored genocide.
so - his clothes are ordinary. his overall work is not. i don't believe that he is a saint, but i think he's done more to better the human community than most others ever will.
we should all be so ghetto.
meme