Sean by Sean Combs: womens collection

[TheSweetest]

I agree with ModelMama and Plastic's Wife! Great points. I used to think diddy was overrated but when I stopped looking at all the hype and really focused on the man, and his drive, tenacity and genius...I had to tip my hat to him. Diddy is smart for all he has done.....

I think the man has great taste and most definitely can dress women. I, personally, can't say that for a lot of men. Give it time.
i don't think the whole collection is up for viewing yet. this was just a preview. i hope things get better. i would hate for him to start a womenswear collection for it to be mediocre. it's just not special (IMO). i hope this new lady (Lafata) he has brought in will work some magic.

 

[Deleted member 1957]

its becoming quite difficult to read some fashio threads considering how much 'cluster' you find along the way! anyway back on topic i dont like the white fur jacket but i have to admit it the black leather outfit with straps isnt bad. the black and white is not my type but can still work. i believe his evening wear shall be way better if he goes the route of his men's wear
And whats more whatever we say or believe, the fashion world is still going to warm up to him and people are gonna buy the clothes and i applaud him for that>>>

 

[Arturo21]

i used to feel this way, particularly about actors or s trying to be musicians.

and now i realized life is too short to let other people dictate for you what you are going to do with your time and your creative energy. why not fail miserably at anything you have the guts to do? nobody has to buy your album, or your perfume, or your bad book of poetry. but if you really want to do it anyway, you absolutely should, and best of luck to you.

no regrets!

Well, what people don't seem to understand (and I used to be tricked by this as well) is that the only reasons these things are done are for marketing purposes, to enhance ones image, to become more popular, to make money for you and your aides and everyone related to you financially (A.K.A the big corporations who probably pushed Puffy into fashion). It's not a creative outlet for them.

Just answer these simple questions:

1) Is fashion an art or a business? We're speaking of pure fashion. Maybe it won't even be sold, just made for the designer him/herself. Just for the simple pleasure of it. Is that an art or a business.

I say it's an art.

2) When sold, is fashion aided by business?

I say yes, it is. And I respect that, otherwise, how would I obtain these fashions?

3)When business controls every aspect of fashion, is it an art anymore?

I say it isn't.

4)Simple property of mathematics here, if fashion = an aspect of art, then some aspects of art = fashion. So if fashion is not an art anymore, in thise case at least, (That is if you answered no the last question) look back..what made it not be fashion (at least if you answered the same way I did)

Another questionaire:

1)Well, let's see, Miss pretty Paris Hilton has a pretty face and a pretty body. Ok. We know that. So, she can be a supermodel, then. Ok, good, that's what she should do. So, that means she can be a fashion designer, an actress, a singer, maybe when she's 50 she can run for governor of California like that star that did? So, if you're supporting Puffy's weird ventures, then you think that it's totally all right for Paris to go into design, acting, singing, and politics without prior education, or standing out compared to others in either field. It's the same thing.

2)So, you rise from rags to riches through a talent of yours. Yippee! Good for you, I say. But then, you have lots of money. So, that means you can afford Dolce&Gabbana. As we all know, that's ultra-trendy, ultra hyped (And by the way, hype never cared for quality in aesthetic or physically) fashion. So, that means you have excellent taste. Why? Because first, you have the money, second, you can go to a nearby high-end store and pick up something off the rack. Something anyone would have chosen. And since it is over-hyped and ultra-trendy, you're a fashion god. Yes, because of that, you're a fashion god.


I'm sorry, I just see that as very, very, very low.

And you've all made good points so far, discussing and expressing different points makes us ponder, like meme said. This is a good discussion.

 

[Arturo21]

^OH, and I hope that that's on-topic. If not, mods, feel free to delete thx.

 

[helena]

Arturo - I am not sure we delete simply because something is off topic. We delete when something is offensive/hurtful/harmful to the site.

 

[Arturo21]

^Thx

 

[softgrey]

i think this is going to have to be locked...
for the good of the community...
some people have stopped even making sense...

honestly people...
get over it and MOVE ON...
please do not keep coming back here because you are bored and have nothing better to do...
unless you are contributing something new and/or positive...

thank you...

 

[Lena]

actually i agree with arturo's thoughts here

*excuses for the terrible typing

 

[Arturo21]

Sorry if I was going too far with that post, I thought what I was posting was relating to clothing in general and Sean Combs. Won't happen again.

Arturo

 

[Oria]

i believe his evening wear shall be way better if he goes the route of his men's wear

And see his menswear is still just ok to me. I don't see a direction in this collection so far, besides the ones that has already been taken by others. It does remind me of something that Banana Republic would carry, it also has a M. Kors flair-- again strictly based on what was posted here.

 

[olivia tod]

actually im kinda disappointed by the direction of this line...it is so far too predictable. i was kinda hoping he would wow us (or me at least) with a more creative and slightly avant-garde sean john woman. *sigh* i guess he took the safe route, im sure it will sell the pieces are extremely wearable.

 

[modelmama]

WOW!

OK- Sean Jean Combs - aka-Puff Daddy, P-Diddy, Sean John, Sean Combs.

*Sean by Sean Combs is the Womens line that has been trash talked.

*Sean John - Is the sportwear line.

*Sean John Collection is the more tailored Menswear collection.

Clearly the price point on SJC is higher then SJ.

The womens runway show on his site -Is not Sean by Sean Combs.
(not sure really if its SJC or SJ)

Finally, let's just agree to disagree. Some of you sound really bitter. Not good, take a yoga class

I will wait to see the full collection to pass judgement on his "fashion/ design" skills.

 

[Lena]

hmm yoga lessons sound cool to me, much more tonight

 

[*Happiness*]

He's never been married. If you mean Misa (Justin's mom), the woman is married. The only woman I ever see him (publically) with is Kim.

Now Misa is getting a divorce!

 

[*Happiness*]

actually im kinda disappointed by the direction of this line...it is so far too predictable. i was kinda hoping he would wow us (or me at least) with a more creative and slightly avant-garde sean john woman. *sigh* i guess he took the safe route, im sure it will sell the pieces are extremely wearable.

Although I do like the pieces, I have to agree with you olivia...I think Sean is playing it safe...maybe? Seeing how the consumers take to his clothes this season and maybe, just maybe he'll open up a little more a be a bit more daring and bold with future collections.

 

[meme527]

it would be nice to actually see the clothes.

 

[Oria]

Now Misa is getting a divorce!

Yeah, that's what they say. Maybe she can go over to Sean John and help him with some direction- since she's a "stylist".

 

[Deleted member 1957]

Finally, let's just agree to disagree. Some of you sound really bitter. Not good, take a yoga class

.

peace

 

[marrimoda]

I guess I still don't/won't understand why so much bitterness & hatred is voiced here. Sure, he's just a businessman extending his financial empire, the clothing is pretty plain, etc etc, but a lot of 'ghetto youth', if you will, look up to Sean Combs as an example of coming out of a sh*thole area and making something of yourself (much like Russell Simmons, and by extension Kimora Lee). Stop to consider the importance of that for a moment.

Sean John is important, I believe, because unlike Baby Phat or Fubu, Sean John, as a label, acts to raise the clothing mentality of hip-hop out of the ghetto, and it allows a young kid the option of looking classy without betraying one's roots to the hip-hop community. True, a lot of people in the hip-hop underground don't care much for Sean Combs, but he certainly resonates much more to those people than, say, Valentino

Because of that a label like Sean John is ultimately good for the health of the fashion industry. There is a large potential market in the kind of customer that both liestens to a) hip-hop and b) rejects the gangsterisms of Fubu and Phat Farm. Sean John puts people in Bergdorf, for chrissakes (which many of you apparently scoff at, and there isn't a rolleyes emote large enough for that), allowing them exposure to a larger sense of fashion and clothing than what they would see at the mall. Even if they are not buying his clothes, they are certain quite aware of it, and gives one something to look forward to.

Like painting/etc, fashion is an aesthetic art form wholly centered in discipline, in both observation & practice. I know in my younger yearsI've had some pretty embarrassing fashion faux pas (think a kmart version of the fresh prince of bel air... ugh), and I doubt many of us grew up thinking conceptually about the thinks we wear. However, in my exposure to the fine arts, I've moved on to more aethetically-oriented sense of looking at things, and I've developed this odd, personal philosophy on what I wear and why I wear it.

Put simply, I can't recall wearing Carol Christian Poell in middle school.

REALLY well said.
I just dont know if some of the extremely bitter fashion police on this site can put their condemnation down long enough to digest what youve described. Everyone -- this is good insight into the appeal of Sean Jean...the appeal to the demographics, and to the merchants who want those consumers. And think about it....Bergdorfs probably wants the Sean John customer much more than the Fubu customer.
There is a consciousness that is interested in supporting this growth...and I believe it is a very american thing. I dont think I could easily explain this to someone living in europe for example, who hasnt personally lived with the racial and socio-economic strife that has evolved in the U.S.

Many do not like sean combs, but they admire his accomplishments-- which are unique and very impressive. I do know that he is a marketing machine more than anything else. He also insists on these awards he gets...its a game he plays, because the game IS played.

As for the collection...well, its basic. Basics for his fans. Nothing exciting...its certainly nothing I'd buy.

It is interesting to me however how many of you have raced to condem the clothing from J.Lo, Russell Simmons, Sean John...and what do these three people have in common? They are urban and they are not white, and they are outspoken. And I am sorry but I have to call it as I see it. You guys dont bash the bad, boring, pathetic european designs that we all have seen -- with nearly as much venom. You say it sucks and thats it, end of story. But with J.LO, Sean John, Russell Simmons etc -- you attack with all the bitterness you can muster. Someone here even bashed the quality...how the heck do you know anything about the quality??
This is what I see, because this is what you've shown me. I hope you'll think about your mentalities ...because its never too late to open a closed mind. Unfortunately, however, I have found that people are rarely able to see how their own comments portray their inner beliefs.

 

[AlexN]

Wow, that sure is a bunch of generalization about everyone here.

Everyone condemns Sean Jean...you condemn everyone for condemning Sean John...this is going to go on forever.

Congratulations on being more open-minded, less bitter, and less venomous than everyone here. It must feel great to have a higher mentality than everyone else. A pat on the back for you...