Sexual Misconduct Allegations in the Fashion Industry

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  1. Benn98

    Benn98 Well-Known Member

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    Crikey, I just assumed it would be Terry because that sounded like his pattern. If so many people knew about Kadel, how come this was never mentioned?

    While I was never a big fan of his work, it's interesting that Kadel, Demarchelier and Testino were those rare photographers whom editors could rely on for a simple, to-the-point yet flawless editorial. The guys who could counter the OTT avant-garde styles of others. And now we no longer have that because the ones tasked with taking their place are not equipped enough to do it right and with authenticity (looking at you, Jansson!)Don't get me wrong, I'm not sad that they're excommunicated, I'm annoyed that the industry concentrated all the plum jobs on these three. And it seems to be happening all over again with Jansson and his duffel bag full of Vogue covers in such a short span.
     
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    I think that's exactly the problem. The top publications push only a handful of photographers, thus giving them too much power, in the long term creating scenarios like the one that Patricia described above. Editors didn't care what happened on set as long as they got the pictures they needed.

    It's sadly ironic that many of the scenarios and the shoots the girls are describing likely took place on a Vogue set and/or with regular Vogue photographers, just like that Kadel shoot on Shelter Island.

    I think the difference with Terry was that his work was already so crude/explicit. So it made him an obvious target to be outted first. Then came Bruce Weber, then Testino & the others.
     
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    I hadn't thought of it from that angle, but it makes perfect sense! Makes you wonder about all those other models who we consider 'one hit wonders', girls who have worked with top photographers and suddenly just bowed out. Patricia's story strike so much of a chord because her naivety is very plausible. A shame really.

    Maybe with so many women behind the lens now, this sort of ratty behaviour is a thing of the past. Next up, the agencies should be regulated!
     
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    Testino’s behaviour with MEN is not going to hurt his business in countries where being gay is reprimanded.
    In those countries, he has that privilege of just being a famous and rich photographer. Even him being gay is not important in places where homophobia is cultural.

    A comeback from Testino in the West? No. But the East is a big market and a way to survive. That’s where all the money is anyway...
     
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    nytimes.com
     
  7. Benn98

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    The blatant slandering of victims here is vile. My God, they've even taken a stab at the lawyer of the victims. Shows you how dirty Weber and his 'supporters' are playing. Exceedingly dirty for someone who is supposedly 'innocent'.
    But the cherry on the cake? The cretin casting agent at Click who dared to entertain the preposterous idea to ask her model, who recently did a Weber shoot, whether he was fondled. I mean, seriously, how thick can one be?
    I'm not too fazed about Man about Town. As noted, they didn't have to pay Weber for the story. For an irrelevant blip indie like them, that's a blessing in disguise.
     
  8. To be fair the lawyer is a dumpster fire who’s in it more for her personal fame and less for her clients. The woman lives to be on TV. But in general this article is sloppy and it’s failing to mention Hercules and other publications that he’s also been shooting for and the reporting is subpar. It’s like they all sat with Vanessa and decided they needed a click bait piece. Like the whole article made me cringe and more at the Nytimes than the accused actions.
     
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  9. Benn98

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    Definitely, she's the perfect example of a 'star lawyer' with very little scruples. But even with that in mind, launching this character assassination on both the victim and the lawyer is disgusting. What does the fact that she's a famwehore have to do with the allegations made against Weber? I recall some sneering comments about Gloria Allred when she was defending those women against Tiger Woods as well. But then, I shouldn't be surprised really because this sort of slandering and personal attacks are pretty much the norm in American politics right now.

    And agreed re NY Times as well. Sara Ziff was only brought in to cover herself from bias reporting because the tone and composition of this article subtly sides with Weber and his supporters.
     
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    LostInNJ Rive Gauche. Rive Droite.

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    It's funny...my first time reading it I did finish it wanting more, but my takeaway was that nothing has changed. From the attitude of the agents to the attitude of those accused. Sara was quoted to drive that point home.

    What's more troubling to me, however, is that even when called out directly about their actions, those "helping" the accused are unbothered by what has allegedly happened.
     
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    Right? This quote: "Why is this even still relevant news?” Mr Alexander asked. “This happened, like, two years ago" killed me. It's like wrongdoing has an expiration date. :shock:
     
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    I read the books "She Said" and "Catch and Kill" about the Weinstein investigation. Lisa Bloom's work for Weinstein was abhorrent, and she deserves any criticism on her motivations that she faces.

    So much "it didn't happen to us, so what's the problem" from the agents..
     
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    Yep, that's pretty much the picture that I had about what has been happening inside the company all these years, especially concerning Razek. He was really in the position possible for a powerful man with predatory tendencies to be in that is almost suprising that his run sheet isn't on the same level as Weinstein and Epstein's. There will probably be more women speaking out after this. I'm also curious to see of any of the Angels will adress this - Bella Hadid too.

    I reckon this should be the final nail on the company. And frankly, good riddance! While the fashion shows were an immensely entertaining and iconic part of industry, it's crazy how the (obvious) dark side of the company lasted for as long as it did. Here's to hoping new brands emerge with the right ethos and that we don't have to hear about stuff like this again.
     
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    I wonder if the FBI will investigate Wexner and Razek. There have always been murmurs about child pornography with those two.

    Thank God for models like Bella and Gigi who are not afraid to go on the record. People can say what they want but the good thing about models who are kids of famous people is that they have nothing to lose when they speak out.
     
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    How do the other girls stick up for Ed? I find it hard to believe none of them knew what was going on.
     
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    Not all models are feminists or supportive of other women. Some of the really big names out of VS are rumored to be the biggest divas or most cut throat towards other women.

    How did Georgina Chapman stay with Harvey Weinstein all that time? How are women still supporting Trump? How are women still chasing R. Kelly or Chris Brown?
     
  18. Gabriel29

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    Probably because he was an immensely powerful figure at the company and they didn't want to lose their six-figure contracts. They were probably also conditioned to think this sort of behavior was normal or okay. Ed likely never targeted any of the bigger models or angels.

    The article even reports that MONICA MITRO (VP of PR) filed a complaint against him and she was then put on administrative leave...what does that tell you?
     
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    ^^ Bella Hadid is one of the biggest models slash celebrities in the world for the past few years.
     
  20. anaa lpz

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    This is the key factor, imo. When I worked in fashion (and obviously I can't say much without getting in trouble, which is also very telling), I was often told that I was overreacting because I stood up against these sort of behaviours the article talks about. Most people look the other way, and models don't feel safe enough to have that conversation.
    Also, it's true that many don't care. I mean, I don't want to point the attention to one person because that's just unfair. But when it was published that Bellemere and Greg Kadel had allegedly been abusive towards models, Candice posted pictures shot by them and tagged them. To me, that was terrible.
     

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