Sexual Misconduct Allegations in the Fashion Industry

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  1. dsamg

    dsamg Well-Known Member

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    Either you and I are reading a different thread or we have a different understanding of the English language, so I will allow Merriam-Webster to explain it a little more clearly.

    The third user to post in this thread stated that they flat-out don't believe him. As you continue to read through this thread you will see that the model was accused of being opportunistic, criticised for not speaking up in 2014 and advised that he should have just 'refused to shoot' with Bruce.

    Not one of Bruce's supporters have made a "prudent inquiry to Jason's motives." They have belittled his story by using his lawsuit to claim he is opportunistic. No one on here accused Rose McGowan of the same. This is hardly a witchhunt that has resulted from a random accusation. Bruce's name was mentioned many times anonymously in the past few months.

    If anything, taking it into the hands of the law instead of solely submitting Bruce to 'trial by social media,' as has occurred often during these past few months, should only increase his credibility.
     
  2. Phuel

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    ^^^ I am speaking for myself, since this is my post: I am not speaking for Scotty. I am sure he can do that for himself, respectively. I have repeatedly commented I believe Jason's allegations, which I never “diminished”. I question his motives at this moment in time with his lawsuit, so please don’t patronize me with bringing up the definition of “diminish” when you rae quoting me. And to answer your inquiry, I do question Rose McGowan for settling her case with Harvey.

    The attitude that through any unfortunate event and experience one’s been assaulted with, it’s perfectly fine, and apparently expected, to file a lawsuit against their defendant for monetary gains, is just such a sad statement of modern mindset as much as those that take advantage of their superior positions in any industry.
     
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  3. rubydon

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    How is that a "sad statement of modern mindset"? If someone with a lot of power in an industry blackballs you and prevents you from earning an income in that industry because you refuse to sleep with them, why shouldn't that person be held financially liable for the loss of income you've suffered? Not meaning to be contentious here, but I'm genuinely curious as to your reasoning on this.
     
  4. Sensation

    Sensation V.I.P.

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    TMZ.com
     
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    kokobombon Well-Known Member

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    Every person reacts differently to any given situation. I would imagine is specially difficult when dealing with someone more powerful than you or your boss.
    What do people coming forward have to gain? most likely people are going to shame them, blame them, not believe them. Will they gain money or more work? I don´t think so...
     
  6. Littleathquakes

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    It also happened with the Bill Cosby accusers. Certain people garner such admiration that any negative thing said about them will be met with hesitation. Weinstein on the other hand had so many dislikable qualities that it was easier for people to believe the accusers.

    People tend to blame the victim (see Pamela Anderson's recent outbursts) in these cases because they're perceived as social climbers, ready and willing to do anything to get to the top. Fashion, in a way, is an arm of the aesthetics industry that is now Hollywood so that belief bleeds on through these forums as well when discussing models and their plight.
     
  7. dodencebt

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    Pretty saddened that the main story in this thread has become the model's reason for suing Weber. I mean, the stories of Weber abusing male models have been going on for a while now after the Weinstein scandal and this was clearly not an isolated case. What is there to defend?

    On a side note, Wintour must feel pretty angry and disappointed in herself for giving Weber his first Vogue US cover - if it can be called an official cover, since it wasn't on the newsstands - a mere four months before this came out. It feels like a stain.
     
  8. KateTheGreatest

    KateTheGreatest Well-Known Member

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    Via cute from Model behavior thread:

     
  9. ThatDudeOverTher

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    Penises and Lenses, Fashion's Big Problem

    Wow, so when you see all these guys on instagram with their #squad or #gang, you know what they're up to :shock:

    Source: bonneny.com
     
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  10. Phuel

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    Because we shouldn’t equate a sexual assault ordeal with the opportunity for a windfall.

    Because Jason’s timing for bringing up a lawsuit at this time is as revealing of his motives as Bruce’s alleged abuse of his status: They are both taking advantage of an opportunity.

    And being opportunistic is not a unholy characteristic— it’s rather human. Just that when it’s exploited at the expense of an ordeal that’s supposedly so soul-damaging is not something I could sympathize with, as much as I may completely believe Jason’s account of the event. It’s not sad to not see any situation in only B&W. Nor is it not sad to want to question everything and everyone’s motives rather than just only accept one account of the experience. There are numerous factors, along with context that these sorts of situations occur. It’s never as simple as black or white. And without knowing Jason nor Bruce personally— but I am familiar with either perspective since these kinds of things do occur, I can only go by common sense rather than by emotion.
     
  11. rubydon

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    While they may be a "pain and suffering" component to these payouts, they're largely intended to provide compensation for income lost due to the actions of the perpetrator. So it's hardly a "windfall" - it's merely an attempt to compensate someone for monetary losses suffered after a predator took steps to blackball them and harm their career.

    And my perspective on the timing of it is a bit different from yours. I thing we're in the middle of movement right now that reflects a sea change regarding power dynamics. People are finding the courage to speak out about abuses of power, and their courage is inspiring others to speak up as well. This model may have been afraid to speak up three years ago, but it's certainly possible that the #MeToo movement has helped him find his voice.

    I think all the changes that are happening are pretty wonderful. The landscape in many different industries will look a lot different when all of this is done, and it will have changed for the better.
     
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    While i didn't know anything about Weber's habit, i have to say that i'm quite shocked to read this piece.
    This is sick and twisted in every level. This actually makes you want to not have any type of trust in people.
    It's time to take things really seriously and to have a real cleanser in this industry.
     
  13. rubydon

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    Wow, there's more to come on this, I'm sure. Thanks for posting.
     
  14. Sensation

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    Another model has come forward:
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    Only a matter of time before the next one comes forward too..
     
  16. EstefaniaAbaddon

    EstefaniaAbaddon Well-Known Member

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    I'm feeling sick after reading all these enconters and allegations. What a sick world. I'm also not surprised by neither Terry, Weber and (if true) Testino. Actually, I always hated both Terry and Testino's work so no loss for me there.
     
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    Working as photographer,I noticed many of them make pictures just for trying to touch the model it happens everywhere
     
  18. Littleathquakes

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    I'm waiting for my dream crush Chad White to come out with some hot tea. He's been photographed in some positions by Weber, too.
     
  19. Benn98

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    I can believe this! In Weber's case most of the time male nudity or presence wasn't even needed, but he somehow managed to squeeze an Abercombie adonis in at will.

    If VF is onto him then it means he may be informally blacklisted from CN as we speak.

    I'm a little taken aback by the way the media is handling this situation. It seems one article was created and distributed like a press release. Lots of disingenuous posts. Furthers the point that assault against men don't 'sell.'
     
  20. ThatDudeOverTher

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    Which is why the guys are afraid to come forward. They already believe that no one cares about them and that once the media moves over this current situation, their careers will never recover, but the violators will continue to work. It's really sad.
     

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