The Row - The All-Things The Row Thread

[kimair]

i went to barneys today and the row has a much bigger rack than they used to...
they had the jodhpurs, denim pants, long grey t-shirt dress, pocket tank, 3/4 sleeve blazer, cashmere sweater, black and white v-neck t-shirts, charcoal crewneck t-shirt, white button down shirt, and a lightweight leather cropped jacket...

i'm tempted to try the grey t-shirt dress, but it looks quite sheer...
i'm guessing you have to get a tankdress or something to wear under it...

 

[Thefrenchy]

^oh cool! i totally forgot/didn't know they made jodhpurs! How's the shirt? Oh et what's a "crewneck tshirt" because i really can't figure it out

 

[mode]

crewneck is when the neck is a u shape

 

[kimair]

yea, frenchy...the neckline is higher and rounder...
i really want a charcoal v-neck...i wish i could find one somewhere...

 

[rochasfille]

Just won this modal/silk tank on eBay:

I paid $220 for it. What does it retail for? I don't mind if I got ripped off since I really love the piece, but it would be nice to know the retail price for future phone orders to the Barneys in SF...

 

[songbirdsel]

beautiful tank, good choice.

 

[Thefrenchy]

thanks mode and kimair

 

[Amywilliams]

Gorgeous top rochas!
So, I am now an addict, and got another top the other day! This one os slightly more sheer and a different material (72% viscose and 28% polyester) and i love it!
Here is a pic -

Sorry it is rubbish quality!

 

[Thefrenchy]

^gorgeous
Nice body btw

 

[tricotineacetat]

i keep saying this, but is there anything decidedly different with their jersey, compaired to rick owens? i don't quite buy this 'couture t-shirt' thing, it's probably well made, yes, of beautiful cut and of obvious practicability... but where does that buzz really come from, that TFS has got a thread of already 94 (!!!) pages, after such a short time in business?

maybe the strength is that;

1. the girls are their own best models - and since they have this very 2000's it-girl status, are in the best position to promote their brand, unlike other fashion designers.
2. they instinctively sum up different trends in contemporary fashion zeitgeist and make them work (herve léger/alaia-esque body-con with slouchy, gauzy jersey layering, borrowed from the boys tuxedo dressing with legging pants) in a way so that the average, fashion-concious customer can project that 'look' on herself without a need to break it down from fashion show/editorial vision to a 'street' level (see also: alexander wang)
3. they offer these exact contemporary fashion staples in acceptable quality and interesting details (as in the engraved gold pendant label).

i keep looking back on this thread since i find it interesting to see how this little label of theirs has found such a dedicated following and generated some sort of craze that so far, i have only experienced with brands such as dior homme/hedi slimane, balenciaga and maybe helmut lang in the mid-nineties, till his departure... yet, to put the olsen twin's designs next to these visionairy designers would make a very bizzare juxtaposition.

it's maybe that fashion today does not need visionairies and couturiers anymore, but clever stylists that design first and foremost with commerciality and trend awareness in mind, to keep shoppers coming back and wanting for more.

 

[pucci_mama]

The pricing really does not make sense in the UK, I'd rather buy a jacket from Balenciaga than The Row.
But NG for Balenciaga these days are not designing.. easy to wear pieces.. I am no longer part of his customer base, I do not care for space or floral couture.

And for my T-shirt fix I go to COS, really great quality and fit.

I can't help but finding the T's overpriced. But I am a sucker for 'perfect' basics, and I think that is a trend at the moment..going back to basics perhaps that is why the line is doing so well.

 

[tricotineacetat]

The pricing really does not make sense in the UK, I'd rather buy a jacket from Balenciaga than The Row.
But NG for Balenciaga these days are not designing.. easy to wear pieces.. I am no longer part of his customer base, I do not care for space or floral couture.

And for my T-shirt fix I go to COS, really great quality and fit.

I can't help but finding the T's overpriced. But I am a sucker for 'perfect' basics, and I think that is a trend at the moment..going back to basics perhaps that is why the line is doing so well.

but i guess the way you have mentioned your shopping habits is very contemporary and exemplary for a 'clever' shopper, isn't it?

buying a strong, key piece and then breaking it down with bridge collections that offer reliable staple pieces (at good pricepoints) is what everyone is doing - unless you are in the position where money is not an issue at all (even then, it would be more fun to just mix and match from different tiers).

maybe just because there is so much to choose from these days is the reason that people are more concious of what they are spending their money on... and that these pieces - in case that they are expensive - better be investment buys that are gonna last and help build a personal wardrobe.

 

[Meg]

I agree with part of what you said tricote, really with this line being more about better styling than design but I don't see anything in their prices that is more expensive than rick owens. I find the tshirt pricing on par with his but maybe i'm out of touch with his pricing? Anyway I agree that it comes down to 'perfect' basics. I want things for my wardrobe which I can use multiple times in different ways, which are streamlined, chic, and a bit masculine. I think this line is really incomparable to alexander wang in many ways (styles on offer, color palette, etc).

Kim - how long is the tshirt dress and are the sleeves short or long? Do you remember the price on it? I really loved that tshirt dress they had on ebay which wasn't my size. Wish they had had all that stuff at Barneys when I was there.

 

[tricotineacetat]

I agree with part of what you said tricote, really with this line being more about better styling than design but I don't see anything in their prices that is more expensive than rick owens. I find the tshirt pricing on par with his but maybe i'm out of touch with his pricing? Anyway I agree that it comes down to 'perfect' basics. I want things for my wardrobe which I can use multiple times in different ways, which are streamlined, chic, and a bit masculine. I think this line is really incomparable to alexander wang in many ways (styles on offer, color palette, etc).

Kim - how long is the tshirt dress and are the sleeves short or long? Do you remember the price on it? I really loved that tshirt dress they had on ebay which wasn't my size. Wish they had had all that stuff at Barneys when I was there.

pricing was not the initial point of my comment, merely the fact that i am very surprised that people are now swallowing the hype for 't-shirts, making use of couture-construction' ... wasn't that declaration a *little* over the top when the line was first introduced?

i was really just wondering why it is only now as great to buy into gauzy, layering pieces in fine jersey qualities when others have done that before... and made it clearly as their signatures - it's not even the first time i see people tapping from rick's success story, but i don't see half as many rave reviews and excitement about buying into his staples (maybe because they've been there for a couple years longer than the row could help explain the reason) than with the row... and it only gets more obscure when you consider the girls have been wearing exactly that stuff of his before doing it in their own line...

and in order not to get confused - yes, i think those t-shirts i have seen so far are looking nice in terms of proportion and finishing... but the composition being viscose/polyester? it really can't be that high-end at that point!

 

[Thefrenchy]

Oh so many questions...

I don't know if my comment is dumb or if i didn't get the point of this conversation but i never get all these conversations about things like "why do people buy such expensive pieces" "RO already did this" "someone did that before" they (correct me if i'm wrong but) never pretended being the only ones to do that but something is sure : they sale it, and they do it good apparently. It might seem unfair to some people that they get so much credit for what they actually do but well, fashion is also marketing. It was THE idea to make it somehow exclusive and i think it's what attracted people. And i'm pretty sure that those who buy Ts from TR are aware of the fact that RO offers the same kind of thing for (what seems to be regarding some comments) a cheaper price buy if they really cared for the price, they wouldn't buy TR. Thanks to their marketing plan they managed to attract people, what some others brands weren't able to do and well, that's too bad for them but there's no need to be envious/indignant or idk what.

 

[greenlady]

frenchy - i think people are more commenting on the neweness of the line but the apparent success and hype surrounding it when it is not necessarily a really new or innovative idea - i don't think as much criticism is present as what you think - i think TR is different from RO in that it is not as 'dark' - i think it is more versatile in feeling and, of course, no one can every deny the mass following the girls have and the fact this will automatically make people want to buy their range. They have also been very clever with marketing etc.

 

[LUXXX]

I think the line is just so well made, yes it's simple, but that is what is really gaining the respect. All the pieces are very much luxury items even something as simple as a tank...it's the most basic idea done very very well.

The way it has been branded too without the image of the girls, everything from the name to the exclusivity is what helped mold The Row into what it is today. Also the respect MK & Ash now get in the fashion community certainly helps, especially with Ash taking it so seriously and not acting anymore.

 

[leyla m.]

congrats to the new pieces

kim, i have the teeshirt dress and really love it. so comfy and easy i think you should get it!!

tricotine, i do mostly agree with you but what you said isnt necesseraily a bad thing. things in fashion have slightly turned and it is indeed the entire package that counts and it is again the entire package that either makes or breaks the brand. so the product is just one part of it. to me personally the brand name, the actual way the label is executed (the tag), the people behind it, and the press and the shops who are either inetersted or are carrying the brand. all of that create the hype.
in this specific case, since i have the row and rick owens next to eachother, i must say there are some similar ideas but overall the range does look and feel quite different. i am still finding the row tees softer and better fit.

 

[Thefrenchy]

frenchy - i think people are more commenting on the neweness of the line but the apparent success and hype surrounding it when it is not necessarily a really new or innovative idea

Oh okay but (correct me if i'm wrong) they never pretended to be the first to do that so where's the problem?

 

[greenlady]

no no no - not saying they did (I LOVE the row) was just trying to clarify what someone else had said - i.e it is amazing they have managed to create such a following and such hype so fast - usually something is groundbreaking or new or innovative for this to happen - this is NOT meant as a bad thing - merely an observation. Do you see? x